Scott Copeland.... 4-1 record, 1.97 ERA

North_of_Border · Post #1 » by **North_of_Border** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:51 am

I know Hendricks put up similar numbers in minors recently and bombed at the MLB level. He is a reliever long term. The same was thought of Scott Copeland. Im sure the JAYS signed him as insurance but more likely a bullpen piece long term. Minor league success does not always last in the MLB, especially for older guys.

Copeland has been dominant for the Bisons. In 7 games, he is 4-1 with a 1.97 ERA.... the big story in this is, he did it in the MLB. Even if its just 1 game, he was dominant. 7 innings, 1 run allowed. The key is, he didnt just luck into it, he has a track record this season.... 1 hour after he walked off the field, Toronto announced he has been optioned to Buffalo.

He has opened many eyes thoough.

rarefind · Post #2 » by **rarefind** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:56 am

That's all it was ever going to be for him though. Who would you propose gets moved to the bullpen in lieu of Copeland? The reality is that they desperately need to keep additional starters stretched out. We will see him again at some point I am sure.

North_of_Border · Post #3 » by **North_of_Border** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:11 am

rarefind wrote:That's all it was ever going to be for him though. Who would you propose gets moved to the bullpen in lieu of Copeland? The reality is that they desperately need to keep additional starters stretched out. We will see him again at some point I am sure.

I think they should give him one more spot start later in the season. Just to see if he is for real. If he passes, I think he might be able to atleast compete with Estrada..... also Dickey was awful all season. Just recently he stepped it up. I know AA will not give up on him because of what he gave up, but currently I'd say he is the weakest link on the rotation, if you dont count the past couple of starts.

but i agree. I think Stroman will be back by September and Estrada will be in the pen. Copeland will be joining him there.... its just that I think Copeland might be a MLB starter. If not on the Jays, maybe somewhere else...... trade bait?

North_of_Border · Post #4 » by **North_of_Border** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:12 am

North_of_Border wrote:
rarefind wrote:That's all it was ever going to be for him though. Who would you propose gets moved to the bullpen in lieu of Copeland? The reality is that they desperately need to keep additional starters stretched out. We will see him again at some point I am sure.

I think they should give him one more spot start later in the season. Just to see if he is for real. If he passes, I think he might be able to atleast compete with Estrada..... also Dickey was awful all season. Just recently he stepped it up. I know AA will not give up on him because of what he gave up, but currently I'd say he is the weakest link on the rotation, if you dont count the past couple of starts.

but i agree. I think Stroman will be back by September and Estrada will be in the pen. Copeland will be joining him there.... its just that I think Copeland might be a MLB starter. If not on the Jays, maybe somewhere else...... trade bait?

Post #5 » by **Schad** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:14 am

Copeland is a fantastic ground ball artist, as he always has been, but it's hard to project great things there. He doesn't have the greatest control, and he'll never generate a tonne of swings and misses. There's certainly utility in that...as his Buffalo numbers show, when the grounders find gloves, the numbers can be pretty. If his minuscule HR rate from the minors carries over, he could potentially be a back-end rotation guy, but a pawn in the great game of BABIP he shall always remain, so much more than that is unlikely.

Skin Blues · Post #6 » by **Skin Blues** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:04 am

Kind of looks like Kendall Graveman 2.0 with a below average K and BB rates but getting by groundballs. Maybe it's worth a shot to see him start a few more games, but it's not much to get excited about as this is not really a profile that fares well at the MLB level. Maybe we can trade him to the A's!

dagger · Post #7 » by **dagger** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:56 pm

A bullpen with Bo Schultz and Ryan Tepera isn't exactly overwhelming, and for that matter, Steve Delabar is a bit of a crap shoot, but replacing those guys would require a different kind of pitcher than Copeland.

Raps_Swingman · Post #8 » by **Raps_Swingman** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:11 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:Copeland is a fantastic ground ball artist, as he always has been, but it's hard to project great things there. He doesn't have the greatest control, and he'll never generate a tonne of swings and misses. There's certainly utility in that...as his Buffalo numbers show, when the grounders find gloves, the numbers can be pretty. If his minuscule HR rate from the minors carries over, he could potentially be a back-end rotation guy, but a pawn in the great game of BABIP he shall always remain, so much more than that is unlikely.

With the proper lineup out there (Not Colabello and Valencia at the corners) he looks like a useful option. His numbers from 2013-present in the minors agree with your BABIP statement. But man, the guy hasn't given up a HR in 2 years of AAA ball. So based on the park we play in I think he's a great candidate to be our #6 starter.

Sifu · Post #9 » by **Sifu** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:37 pm

In his one start with the Jays, his last two innings of work had a lot of fly balls. A sure sign of either tiring and/or turning over the lineup once too often. And his pitch count wasn't that high at the time, under 100.

Not sure what this means though