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Post#561 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:03 am

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Flying Colors wrote:june 30th is the pretrial, we probably wont hear much more until then


June 25th ... NBA draft. Kills any chance the Morri will be involved in any pre-draft trades. Trial unlikely to be resolved before season starts which really sucks


Yes, timing kind of sucks. I guess you want them to be traded?

I think it's more the option to trade them on draft night is no longer an option which is annoying. Not that I want to move Kieff. Marcus I could care less about
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Post#562 » by Flying Colors » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:39 am

i have jury duty on June 30th, and i got real excited for a minute thinking i could have been selected as the jury for the morris case, then i realize that the 30th was only for the Morris bros pretrial
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Post#563 » by bigfoot » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:57 pm

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Flying Colors wrote:june 30th is the pretrial, we probably wont hear much more until then


June 25th ... NBA draft. Kills any chance the Morri will be involved in any pre-draft trades. Trial unlikely to be resolved before season starts which really sucks


Yes, timing kind of sucks. I guess you want them to be traded?


I'd keep Kief if we could dump Marcus. But realistically no one wants a so-so tweener in Marcus who has well documented anger management issues. I think you have to dangle Kief to get anyone to bite.
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Post#564 » by Fo-Real » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:03 pm

And that is the reason we will have to give up Kief. Because he might be a problem child if we trade his sister, and his sister has no value without him, but attaching him makes it plausable.
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Re: The MoBro's Show 

Post#565 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:33 pm

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June 25th ... NBA draft. Kills any chance the Morri will be involved in any pre-draft trades. Trial unlikely to be resolved before season starts which really sucks


Yes, timing kind of sucks. I guess you want them to be traded?


I'd keep Kief if we could dump Marcus. But realistically no one wants a so-so tweener in Marcus who has well documented anger management issues. I think you have to dangle Kief to get anyone to bite.


I'd rather give them someone they might think is worth it like Tucker or Archie or a second round pick...or maybe even the Cleveland pick since it will probably be 30th. All of those are far less valuable than Kieff (and with that I mean just dumping them into someone's cap space). I wouldn't expect to get something back.
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Post#566 » by SUN » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:37 pm

They are a package deal. Markieff will have a mental breakdown if he doesn't have his brother by his side lol. I for one like Markieff and want him to stay. Marcus kinda sucks, but he's more mentally stable.
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Post#567 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:57 pm

I think we need to look beyond this package deal mindset. A trade involving one of them may very well turn out to be a package deal but we should not be looking at them as such. I *think* Kief is mature enough to know the NBA is a business and it's very likely they'll go their separate ways sooner or later.
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Post#568 » by SUN » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:14 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I think we need to look beyond this package deal mindset. A trade involving one of them may very well turn out to be a package deal but we should not be looking at them as such. I *think* Kief is mature enough to know the NBA is a business and it's very likely they'll go their separate ways sooner or later.

I think Marcus could get over it. Markieff and Marcus are the kind of brothers who give each other Eskimo kisses and go wine tasting together. So I think that they'll have to package them together.
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Post#569 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:35 am

I think they'll get over it very quickly. They may not like it intially and they may have some resentment towards the front office for a month or two but I think they'll get over quick and get back to business. Kieff was just fine without Mook for a good season and a half.
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Post#570 » by Fo-Real » Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:39 pm

No one wants Marcus unless Kief is attached. Trading Marcus and keeping Kief will cause problems with him on this team going ahead. Hell, I think Kief pouted for several games when Marcus lost his starting job (Marcus did start for a streach). They are wierd close, I have seen close bros or twins before, but they are boardering on creepy, like walk around the house naked creepy. I think trading one and not the other will blow up in our faces at some point, make our locker room an uncomfortable place to be for the guy who we bring in to replace Marcus. Tucker is also pretty tight with those two.
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Post#571 » by Frank Lee » Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:20 pm

I on the other hand, cannot imagine a GM wanting the two of them. They have much to improve on in the land of citizenship and professionalism. Keeping them together could be counterproductive to their development.

Again, I see Marcusser taking the bulk of the rap/blame, followed by a lengthy suspension. In the mean time, any deal that pops up for Keif will be considered.

If you are going to preach from the culture/suns type/team player pulpit, you need to back it up with action. That means See ya Keif, see ya PJ... and when possible see ya MarCusser. Its not like their departures will be setting us back any with the big picture.
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Post#572 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:57 am

bigfoot wrote:Put into perspective Griner is out for 1/5th of the WNBA games for a misdemeanor. That would be 20 games each for the Morri. For a felony, I could see the NBA drop a 40 game suspension on each of these guys.


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Post#573 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:01 am

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Fo-Real wrote:In this state I believe even if the victim did not want to prosecute, the state can still go foward with the case... and OFTEN DO!!! See it a lot in domestic violence cases... victim wants the case dropped and refuses to co-operate because they dont want thier honey to do time, the state prosecutes anyway... has the victim/witness dragged into court (court order) and put them on the stand. If the witness tries to not cooperate there and change thier story to protect thier attacker, the prosecutor just plays thier police interview and reads the transcripts from the interview that got the charges filed, and tears the witness a new one on the stand, showing they are lying and protecting the defendant. Even if this dude gets paid at this point, this train is gonna kerp steaming ahead. They are gonna sign a plea to a lesser charge if they are smart. My guess is misdemeanor assault... a slap on the wrist... unsupervised probation.


That's what I thought. It's most likely out of Hood's hands at this point, and from what InLen said, about his roommate being led in his testimony, it seems the prosecutor really wants to nail the twins. Oddly, an over push ISO play may work in the twins favor, for the actual evidence seems weak.

If they do take a lesser plea, I could see a ten to twenty game suspension. And then I wonder if there is an out clause for the Suns in their contracts.


This is not domestic violence. I do not think that prosecution can go forward without the victims testimony.
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Post#574 » by Cutter » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:03 am

There is a big shift occurring currently in professional sports in regards to tolerance of athletes committing acts of violence. The NFL is leading the way in acting aggressively by cutting or suspending players due to many high profile players getting into trouble. Violence towards women is especially unacceptable.

The NBA is a little behind the NFL, but I think they will act in a heavy manner to hold the MoBros accountable for being involved in violence towards another person.
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Post#575 » by phrazbit » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:05 am

It will (at worst) end up as a simple assault conviction and neither of them will spend a day in jail. The Morris brother's are morons, are cancers and the Suns would be better off without them... but this is getting crazy overblown here.

The idea that they'd get a 40 game suspension is absurd. I'd be flat out shocked if they got more than 8 games, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they got 3 or less.

This thing is hardly a blip on the national radar.
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Post#576 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:27 pm

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Fo-Real wrote:In this state I believe even if the victim did not want to prosecute, the state can still go foward with the case... and OFTEN DO!!! See it a lot in domestic violence cases... victim wants the case dropped and refuses to co-operate because they dont want thier honey to do time, the state prosecutes anyway... has the victim/witness dragged into court (court order) and put them on the stand. If the witness tries to not cooperate there and change thier story to protect thier attacker, the prosecutor just plays thier police interview and reads the transcripts from the interview that got the charges filed, and tears the witness a new one on the stand, showing they are lying and protecting the defendant. Even if this dude gets paid at this point, this train is gonna kerp steaming ahead. They are gonna sign a plea to a lesser charge if they are smart. My guess is misdemeanor assault... a slap on the wrist... unsupervised probation.


That's what I thought. It's most likely out of Hood's hands at this point, and from what InLen said, about his roommate being led in his testimony, it seems the prosecutor really wants to nail the twins. Oddly, an over push ISO play may work in the twins favor, for the actual evidence seems weak.

If they do take a lesser plea, I could see a ten to twenty game suspension. And then I wonder if there is an out clause for the Suns in their contracts.


This is not domestic violence. I do not think that prosecution can go forward without the victims testimony.


I used a domestic violence case as an example of a victim having a change of heart in wanting to prosecute. Just as concept, but the law sees every situation equally as far as that goes. They already have the victims story of what happened and his phone Convo/ confession to thier mom. They have already done the work interviewing witnesses and decided to prosecute. At this point the victim deciding to not want them prosecuted wont stop the train. They will court order him to testify if it goes to trial, and even put him in custody to bring his ass to court if they have to. Dosnt matter if its domestic or otherwise.

Now dont get me wrong, I still stand by the statement that this is going to be reduced to a small misdemeanor through the plea process. So guys trying to guess the suspension based on the charge now need to ease up and wait on the next court date. I assume they get less than PJ did last year. They will get something like simple assault... this is actually where paying the victim comes in handy. The prosecutor has to contact them about victims rights and see how hard to go at them basically. If the victim is not wanting blood then the plea could get lighter.
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Post#577 » by RunDogGun » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:28 pm

At this point, Hood is just a witness even though he is the victim. If he changes his mind and doesn't want to cooperate, he can get in trouble himself.

Either way, it was a dumb move by the Morrii, to even be near a situation like this. They have a few choices here: they can learn from this, and keep away from being stupid. They could continue to do stuff like this, and find themselves out of the NBA, or they can buy better hitmen, who are more discrete.
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Post#578 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Yep one of the biggest misconceptions of criminals in this state.... "If my victim refuses to cooperate, the state has no case"..... WRONG!!! Makes the case more difficult for the prosecution, but not impossible. Especially when the victim has sang llike a bird to this point. This case is still small potatoes. .... unsupervised probation... 6 mos to a year.... small fine (small to them), some fees.... basically a "hey.. dont get in any more trouble" slap on the wrist. Wont even need to check in during probation (unsupervised).
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Post#579 » by bigfoot » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:45 pm

Realistically these two fools are going no where. Interesting article on BTOS saying we should move Tucker and Bledsoe. For once I agree with these two-bit bloggers ... http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... p-j-tucker
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Post#580 » by SunsFanSSOL » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:18 pm

bigfoot wrote:Realistically these two fools are going no where. Interesting article on BTOS saying we should move Tucker and Bledsoe. For once I agree with these two-bit bloggers ... http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... p-j-tucker


So we should trade our two best perimeter defenders because PJ Tucker is a thug and Eric Bledsoe isn't relatable to the old, white, retiree population of Arizona? Got it.

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