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OT: Game of Thrones - season 5

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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#201 » by Barcs » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:00 pm

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CoolKids wrote:I think it was pretty much the only option for him though. As they said he wouldn't go back to castle black, and you can't have a siege without siege weapons or food, both of which were completely destroyed. I'll give you I think 20 men destroying all of their food and siege weapons without sounding an alarm is very far fetched but I still think Stannis stayed true to his character in the book.


I'd dig the idea of him having no other options if the show had executed it better. Had they not fast tracked the plot, it might not have felt like Stannis just rushed into the decision (and shipped Davos off before he even interrogated the guards damn it). I do feel book Stannis is willing to sacrifice anything for the greater good, but I just felt like this seemed more like him taking a shortcut than doing due diligence. Even having him suggest strategies to Davos who points out the holes in them would have been nice, just something to show that this dude considered at least one alternative before getting his daughter to offer help without telling her that meant burning her alive.


Yep and unfortunately when you only have 10 hours of showtime during a season, you have to rush everything and skip all kinds of important book plots. I really wish they would expand to 12+ episodes like most shows. 10 is way too short considering everything that has to be covered.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#202 » by Barcs » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:19 pm

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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#203 » by Dr. Detfink » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:49 pm

Boltons vs Stannis...who you got?
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#204 » by King of Canada » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:57 pm

I haven't watched a single episode this season. I don't have HBO, and HBO started cracking down on Torrents in Canada. I've been a fan since the 90s though, and have read the series three times over the years, so the show just isn't the same to me as it is to some I'm sure. I'm sad to hear that they are changing some of the story around.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#205 » by xNewYorkMadex » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:07 pm

I have really enjoyed this season.

I missed the first 8 episodes but i binge watched it a few days ago and got caught up. II was a Tywin Lannister fan and thought the season wouldnt be as good with him now not around.

But this show does a good job of character building and making you more interested in other characters. I honestly did not give a f*** about Stannis in the first 3 seasons. I started to get more interested in Stannis when he went beyond the wall to save my boy John Snow. Snow is my favorite character of the show. Many of Stannis' scenes did not interest me in the least. But this season his character has been fantastic. Found myself rooting for him. Shame what he did to that daughter of his, im glad I didnt get attached to her character. That scene was type heartbreaking to watch, especially hear with her screams.

These last 2 episodes have been real strong. Hoping we can get another incredible episode to wrap up the season.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#206 » by BKAY » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:42 pm

next week is going to break the internet
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#207 » by PeteW » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:51 pm

BKAY wrote:next week is going to break the internet


Sadly I know the main thing thats going to happen in the last ep. Its been all over the internet, its been hard not to accidently run into a spoiler. Hope some unexpected stuff happens too tho.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#208 » by BKAY » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:15 am

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BKAY wrote:next week is going to break the internet


Sadly I know the main thing thats going to happen in the last ep. Its been all over the internet, its been hard not to accidently run into a spoiler. Hope some unexpected stuff happens too tho.


yeah man i feel you, last season I had a major storyline spoiled for me(which didnt even end up happening in the show). So i just crushed the books over the last year and it was well worth it. Like you said its almost impossible to not accidentally run into a spoiler on the web right now.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#209 » by kane » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:35 am

honestly for some reason spoilers on this show dont bother me at all, maybe because i dont really regard it that highly anymore its degraded past to point of great TV to just eh its on might as well stick with it till the end...

i have a feeling there's only going to be 2 or at most 3 seasons, D&D seem to be in hyper drive to catch up to the books :lol: HBO wants 10 seasons but no way thats going to happen
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#210 » by Thorn » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:41 am

I have been reading the books since 96' this season has not really made me happy, sad thing is... neither did the last book I actually found it disjointed and hard to read. I think Martin was rushed into publishing it and I think he lost his magic. He is now the guy that writes the unpredictable which is now... predictable.

The most handsome man is scared, the best swordsman loses his hand, the guy you think is the focus dies... and so on.

And his big mysteries are not so big and not hard to figure out.


Then we have the show, the show runners are forces to write for themselves, without anything more than a lose outline. The axe characters and story lines and condense an amazing world in books into 10 or so episodes an hour at a time...

I am still enjoying it but... I feel it lost the magic.

PS what they have done with Loras on the show is disgusting, and for that alone... the lost me.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#211 » by J9Starks3 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:09 am

Thorn wrote:I have been reading the books since 96' this season has not really made me happy, sad thing is... neither did the last book I actually found it disjointed and hard to read. I think Martin was rushed into publishing it and I think he lost his magic. He is now the guy that writes the unpredictable which is now... predictable.

The most handsome man is scared, the best swordsman loses his hand, the guy you think is the focus dies... and so on.

And his big mysteries are not so big and not hard to figure out.


Then we have the show, the show runners are forces to write for themselves, without anything more than a lose outline. The axe characters and story lines and condense an amazing world in books into 10 or so episodes an hour at a time...

I am still enjoying it but... I feel it lost the magic.

PS what they have done with Loras on the show is disgusting, and for that alone... the lost me.


I thought DwD was better than AFfC... but I agree both the show and the book are in some low points, hopefully WoW picks it back up. They definitely messed up Loras (among others). Instead of being the best Knight in the realm...hes Marg's gay brother.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#212 » by Thorn » Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:00 am

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Thorn wrote:I have been reading the books since 96' this season has not really made me happy, sad thing is... neither did the last book I actually found it disjointed and hard to read. I think Martin was rushed into publishing it and I think he lost his magic. He is now the guy that writes the unpredictable which is now... predictable.

The most handsome man is scared, the best swordsman loses his hand, the guy you think is the focus dies... and so on.

And his big mysteries are not so big and not hard to figure out.


Then we have the show, the show runners are forces to write for themselves, without anything more than a lose outline. The axe characters and story lines and condense an amazing world in books into 10 or so episodes an hour at a time...

I am still enjoying it but... I feel it lost the magic.

PS what they have done with Loras on the show is disgusting, and for that alone... the lost me.


I thought DwD was better than AFfC... but I agree both the show and the book are in some low points, hopefully WoW picks it back up. They definitely messed up Loras (among others). Instead of being the best Knight in the realm...hes Marg's gay brother.


Agreed, and I am not even sure who that appeals to, in the books I did not even pick up on the fact he was gay right away. Instead he was just this brilliant looking night who was able to defeat the Mountain in battle... and who was a member of the Kingsguard. In the show all he is, is that gay guy and he is easily subdued by men in robes while in full armor... even with a practice sword that would never happen to the book Loras he would have cut a bloody swath through the lot of them.

I was happy DwD was released at first as it featured some many of my favorite PoV characters... but I found it was harder to get through for me for some reason than AFfC. I loved Barristan Selmy in it though...
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#213 » by Jeffrey » Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:44 am

Stannis did what he had to do. If you look at his perspective... you should believe in the red woman too.

She gave a vagina shadow to kill his brother. She wasn't there when he lost the battle at blackwater bay. She predicted that the usurpers would perish and they did! Was that a coincidence or maybe her doing?

Basically the red woman is on a roll and he's banking on her mystic fire.

But what will happen if he gets to sit on the throne? His lineage is basically dead. Shireen is gone, we know Renly didn't produce **** and Robert's bastards been killed but one.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#214 » by Stannis » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:22 am

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But, not sure how many people can really rally behind a leader who would burn his own daughter to keep himself in power...thats Mad King type stuff right there.

You can look at it in other ways too. He burned his own daughter in hopes to win Winterfell. No other King, Prince, or Lord gives a $hit about the North. It's a cold wasteland to them.

So far, in the War of the Five Kings, nobody has defended the North more than Stannis. Not even Robb, who stayed South even when Theon took Winterfell and supposedly murdered his younger brothers.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#215 » by Stannis » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:31 am

Thorn wrote:
J9Starks3 wrote:
Thorn wrote:I have been reading the books since 96' this season has not really made me happy, sad thing is... neither did the last book I actually found it disjointed and hard to read. I think Martin was rushed into publishing it and I think he lost his magic. He is now the guy that writes the unpredictable which is now... predictable.

The most handsome man is scared, the best swordsman loses his hand, the guy you think is the focus dies... and so on.

And his big mysteries are not so big and not hard to figure out.


Then we have the show, the show runners are forces to write for themselves, without anything more than a lose outline. The axe characters and story lines and condense an amazing world in books into 10 or so episodes an hour at a time...

I am still enjoying it but... I feel it lost the magic.

PS what they have done with Loras on the show is disgusting, and for that alone... the lost me.


I thought DwD was better than AFfC... but I agree both the show and the book are in some low points, hopefully WoW picks it back up. They definitely messed up Loras (among others). Instead of being the best Knight in the realm...hes Marg's gay brother.


Agreed, and I am not even sure who that appeals to, in the books I did not even pick up on the fact he was gay right away. Instead he was just this brilliant looking night who was able to defeat the Mountain in battle... and who was a member of the Kingsguard. In the show all he is, is that gay guy and he is easily subdued by men in robes while in full armor... even with a practice sword that would never happen to the book Loras he would have cut a bloody swath through the lot of them.

I was happy DwD was released at first as it featured some many of my favorite PoV characters... but I found it was harder to get through for me for some reason than AFfC. I loved Barristan Selmy in it though...
They did it with Oberyn too. The show wasted some good story time for him to show gaybuttsecks.

As far as aDwD and aFfC, they had their highlights. But GRRM fcked up. I used to be amped for tWoW, but with those last two books, GRRM turned ASOIAF to "The Days of our Lives". He's never going to finish. I'm not completely happy with what the show is doing, but at least they are going to give us an ending.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#216 » by Thorn » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:41 am

Totally agree on all points.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#217 » by j4remi » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:00 pm

Jeffrey wrote:Stannis did what he had to do. If you look at his perspective... you should believe in the red woman too.

She gave a vagina shadow to kill his brother. She wasn't there when he lost the battle at blackwater bay. She predicted that the usurpers would perish and they did! Was that a coincidence or maybe her doing?

Basically the red woman is on a roll and he's banking on her mystic fire.

But what will happen if he gets to sit on the throne? His lineage is basically dead. Shireen is gone, we know Renly didn't produce **** and Robert's bastards been killed but one.


Edric Storm (Gendry on the show) might have more importance to the books if things go in that direction. That would make Davos saving him that much more significant.

On a side note,
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I saw someone mentioning that in the show Balon Greyjoy lives. If that's the case, her leech predictions aren't even fulfilled which would make burning Shireen that much worse but I don't remember tbh.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#218 » by Dr. Detfink » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:00 pm

Since we're totally off the beaten tracks, I am wondering if Sansa Stark becomes Lady Stoneheart...not in any book sense but in metaphorical way.

As we know red priests have the ability to bring back the dead (see Season 3)...what if Stannis takes the castle but is too late to save Sansa? Well that screws up every thing and makes him just as much a failure. So in desperation, Melissandre tries to bring her back but she's different and not at all open to helping out the cause to rally against the White Walkers.

Again, total and complete blind half court shot.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#219 » by CoolKids » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:09 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:Since we're totally off the beaten tracks, I am wondering if Sansa Stark becomes Lady Stoneheart...not in any book sense but in metaphorical way.

As we know red priests have the ability to bring back the dead (see Season 3)...what if Stannis takes the castle but is too late to save Sansa? Well that screws up every thing and makes him just as much a failure. So in desperation, Melissandre tries to bring her back but she's different and not at all open to helping out the cause to rally against the White Walkers.

Again, total and complete blind half court shot.

thats very interesting. definitely a possibility.
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Re: OT: Game of Thrones - season 5 

Post#220 » by towelie » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:23 pm

I could see Stannis burning his daughter if he was really pushed to that point, but on the show it felt really rushed. It didn't seem like he was pushed into a corner or exhausted all other possible options before sacrificing his one and only heir. You never truly see him agonizing over the decision, whether alone or with Melisandre. We only get a scene where it seems like he's already made up his mind on the matter. I'm sure he did agonize over it, but we needed to see that. I feel the show left that out solely cause they wanted to make Shireen's burning as shocking as possible.

Either way, it's a terrible change from the books. Even if Shireen does get burned alive in the books later, it's highly doubtful that Stannis is the one that does it considering she's nowhere near his camp.

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