Kanter's Free Agency

[bondom34]

Dude, you're the one doig what you are saying. We all hold them both to the same standard and Lamb has been better than Dion, then you whip out bad excuses and ramble about him on a new team when he played the same everywhere. I post here, everyone can't stand him. Thunderfans, everyone can't stand him, WTLC, everyone can't stand him. He has a fan club of one, and its you. Other team's fans even think he's awful. He's just not good at basketball, he's drafted the same year as Beal and Lamb and is worse at everything than both, and you're so blind to it its hilarious, you continually dismiss any other view with "you haven't played/watched" and won't even use any real info to back up a point. You are the vast minority of Dion supporters, and I have no clue why w/ the double standard you hold for Lamb, who hasn't been given half the chance Dion has. He's a terrible terrible player, and you won't admit it.

Do you know what "timescale" is?
Do you honestly want to continue pretending as if you don't grasp the difference between 40 games and 4 years. Do you honestly want to continue with that stupidity?
Do you honestly want to pretend that me being willing to dismiss Lamb after FOUR YEARS is entirely different from Waiters after 40 GAMES?
How the holy **** can you sit here and say Lamb has not had half the chance Dion has? WE GAVE HIM FOUR **** YEARS. WE FORCED MINUTES ON HIM AND POSITIONS ON HIM OVER AND OVER AND OVER. HE FAILED EVERY SINGLE TIME. But duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh four years and 40 games duuuhhhhhhhhhh same amount of time.

Stop pulling bull out of your ass.... talk about projection.... goddamn.

Lamb is as garbage as you get. He wont be in the NBA after this contract is up, i think we all know that. Even if he is traded, no one will get something out of him that we could not. We've given him chance after chance and he fails every single time.
Waiters, at the very least has shown us he can produce as a role playing starter should but his game needs tweaking. And no matter if you like him or not, he will still be in the league after his rookie contract, because hes not complete and utter garbage. There are positives to gain from his development.
But apparently this is completely nonexistent. Even when its shoved into your eye sockets in black and white, you're completely blind to it.

You are right. The rest of the world is wrong. And there's now a poll on the PC board.

[spearsy23]

Dude, you're the one doig what you are saying. We all hold them both to the same standard and Lamb has been better than Dion, then you whip out bad excuses and ramble about him on a new team when he played the same everywhere. I post here, everyone can't stand him. Thunderfans, everyone can't stand him, WTLC, everyone can't stand him. He has a fan club of one, and its you. Other team's fans even think he's awful. He's just not good at basketball, he's drafted the same year as Beal and Lamb and is worse at everything than both, and you're so blind to it its hilarious, you continually dismiss any other view with "you haven't played/watched" and won't even use any real info to back up a point. You are the vast minority of Dion supporters, and I have no clue why w/ the double standard you hold for Lamb, who hasn't been given half the chance Dion has. He's a terrible terrible player, and you won't admit it.

Do you know what "timescale" is?
Do you honestly want to continue pretending as if you don't grasp the difference between 40 games and 4 years. Do you honestly want to continue with that stupidity?
Do you honestly want to pretend that me being willing to dismiss Lamb after FOUR YEARS is entirely different from Waiters after 40 GAMES?
How the holy **** can you sit here and say Lamb has not had half the chance Dion has? WE GAVE HIM FOUR **** YEARS. WE FORCED MINUTES ON HIM AND POSITIONS ON HIM OVER AND OVER AND OVER. HE FAILED EVERY SINGLE TIME. But duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh four years and 40 games duuuhhhhhhhhhh same amount of time.

Stop pulling bull out of your ass.... talk about projection.... goddamn.

Lamb is as garbage as you get. He wont be in the NBA after this contract is up, i think we all know that. Even if he is traded, no one will get something out of him that we could not. We've given him chance after chance and he fails every single time.
Waiters, at the very least has shown us he can produce as a role playing starter should but his game needs tweaking. And no matter if you like him or not, he will still be in the league after his rookie contract, because hes not complete and utter garbage. There are positives to gain from his development.
But apparently this is completely nonexistent. Even when its shoved into your eye sockets in black and white, you're completely blind to it.

Jeremy Lamb has been playing for the Thunder since he was at UConn, and Dion Waiters has been in the NBA for half a season?

I'm curious how you reconcile Lamb being better than Dion when he actually gets to play. How does that fit into your alternate reality?

[spearsy23]

i just looked it up, all these sites keep saying Lamb and Waiters were drafted the same year. Can anyone confirm that Dion didn't actually pop into existence in January of this year? Maybe history has been altered and only one person recognizes it.

[Bravenewworld]

Name all these star players that were let go?
All I've seen are older guys who were let go because younger guys were coming up that are better. The only player I hated to see go was Millsap,

Would it matter if i listed them? Youll clearly simply degrade and minimize who they were, what they did, and the fact that most continued on positive careers, are still playing and still receiving contracts.
I know you'll minimize guys like Boozer, who was a 20-10 for you and amazingly was the foundation of that Bulls defense. No one saw that coming.
Al Jeff, who on a productive team has shown he cant be dealt with.
DWill who in the right system is a great PG.
Marvin Williams who is a great 20mpg guy.
Kanter, who is quickly becoming the best offensive center in the game.
These are all very good players who have shown to have star value even well after their time on the Jazz. This idea that they were just old guys being let go is silly. Because if that is the case and its what they are doing, theyre just going to be developing players to send to other teams.

Dismiss a hall of fame coach? Umm what planet were you on? Jerry flat out Quit.

The Jazz picked DWill over Jerry Sloan.
https://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/20 ... signation/
One of the many bad decisions they've made over the past five or six years.
It was a common situation, they disagree'd, animosity occurred, because he was respected they "directed" him to resign or get fired. This is something that happens all the time, its happened to me.

So technically yah, he quit. But it was due to the fact that the FO thought they had a young top 3 PG who would do well in any system, and they felt it was time to try something different with that PG and roster... and they were oh-so wrong.

Poor assistant coach.........yup, didn't like Corbin. but he had been an outstanding assistant, and a part of the Jazz family. Would have been great if he could have handled being a head coach, can't really fault the front office for giving him a chance. Terrible college coach? Really? I think Snyder has been great, and was a great hire.

We can fault them for putting Sloan in that position and not going after a better coach.
As for Snyder, i watched him his entire coaching career in college..... maybe garbage or terrible is hyperbole, but hes not above mediocre. Point was that if they were going with a college coach, there's hundreds that are better suited.

Utah is loaded with young talent, they are poised to break out and be a pretty damn good team, They will make the playoffs next year. I will go one further and say they will win the division.

So who do the Jazz get passed in seeding?
Because right now we have set 8 seed POs in the West. Spurs, Clippers, Rockets, OKC, Mavs, Warriors, Portland, Memphis.
Nipping at the 7,8,9 is the Pelicans who showed they can make the playoffs.So that's 9. You're already going to have to leave one of those top 8 teams out that are well established int he Western conference playoffs and suggesting this Jazz team is going to do better. And that's before we get into the questionable teams. Like the Kings, IMO the Kings will be fighting for a playoff spot. They've continued to improve and looks like they are going to get Rondo. Theres some issues with that team that discourage the idea that they will be fighting for that spot, but i'd put more faith in them moving up than the Jazz at this point.
But even if we leave them out, the Suns have shown to have a dangerous team. The Lakers could potentially make some noise if Kobe is healthy and they're working with Randle/Okafor. Did Denver get a new coach? If they got a new coach, there is a chance they are in those last spots fighting.

But you've taken this further and suggested that the Jazz are going to win their division... A division with OKC and Portland.......... I dont know what to say about that. The Jazz could make a 15 game improvement and not be better than those teams.
But we also have Denver and Minny in the conversation. Ive already addressed Denver. Minny.... i dont think theyre PO material next season, but i think we'll see a 15-20 game improvement as long as they dont face the health issues they did this season.
I get rooting for your team, you might not believe this but before OKC had a team, in the 90s i was a Jazz fan. But you have to be realistic about it. And suggesting the Jazz are going to top the Blazers and OKC, is not being very realistic. OKC healthy is a 60-65 win team. Even without Durant, if the rest of the team is healthy they are a 55-60 win team. And you tihnk the Jazz are going to top this? I might give you Portland if they end up doing a rebuild as a result of Aldridge leaving. Then again, even if he leaves, they could simply supplement part of his production with another PF and still be a fairly successful team.

[Bravenewworld]

Dude, you're the one doig what you are saying. We all hold them both to the same standard and Lamb has been better than Dion, then you whip out bad excuses and ramble about him on a new team when he played the same everywhere. I post here, everyone can't stand him. Thunderfans, everyone can't stand him, WTLC, everyone can't stand him. He has a fan club of one, and its you. Other team's fans even think he's awful. He's just not good at basketball, he's drafted the same year as Beal and Lamb and is worse at everything than both, and you're so blind to it its hilarious, you continually dismiss any other view with "you haven't played/watched" and won't even use any real info to back up a point. You are the vast minority of Dion supporters, and I have no clue why w/ the double standard you hold for Lamb, who hasn't been given half the chance Dion has. He's a terrible terrible player, and you won't admit it.

Do you know what "timescale" is?
Do you honestly want to continue pretending as if you don't grasp the difference between 40 games and 4 years. Do you honestly want to continue with that stupidity?
Do you honestly want to pretend that me being willing to dismiss Lamb after FOUR YEARS is entirely different from Waiters after 40 GAMES?
How the holy **** can you sit here and say Lamb has not had half the chance Dion has? WE GAVE HIM FOUR **** YEARS. WE FORCED MINUTES ON HIM AND POSITIONS ON HIM OVER AND OVER AND OVER. HE FAILED EVERY SINGLE TIME. But duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh four years and 40 games duuuhhhhhhhhhh same amount of time.

Stop pulling bull out of your ass.... talk about projection.... goddamn.

Lamb is as garbage as you get. He wont be in the NBA after this contract is up, i think we all know that. Even if he is traded, no one will get something out of him that we could not. We've given him chance after chance and he fails every single time.
Waiters, at the very least has shown us he can produce as a role playing starter should but his game needs tweaking. And no matter if you like him or not, he will still be in the league after his rookie contract, because hes not complete and utter garbage. There are positives to gain from his development.
But apparently this is completely nonexistent. Even when its shoved into your eye sockets in black and white, you're completely blind to it.

You are right. The rest of the world is wrong. And there's now a poll on the PC board.

Its not the rest of the world, its you and some people on message boards.
Again, find me a professional analyst that has Lamb in the league after his first contract... i have yet to hear one suggest this. Most don't seem to understand why we have kept him this long.
You are arguing against facts at this point. You continue to try to waive this antiWaiters flag, while ive shown you the numbers. You've continued to cry about Lamb not getting a fair shot, while again, ive shown you the numbers. We've seen he has had four years in the NBA on this OKC team. We've seen he has racked up more minutes in one season then even Waiters. We've seen that he has had minimal development during this time. We've seen that he cant even come close to averages of Waiters. I dont know what to tell you at this point. Its not about opinion at this point, the **** is right in front of your face and you simply refuse to look at it. So much so, that you're willing to argue four years and 40 games are the same...... which i cannot even begin to explain how stupid that sounds.

[Bravenewworld]

i just looked it up, all these sites keep saying Lamb and Waiters were drafted the same year. Can anyone confirm that Dion didn't actually pop into existence in January of this year? Maybe history has been altered and only one person recognizes it.

WTF are you even talking about? What does this have to do with anything ive said?

Jeremy Lamb has been playing for the Thunder since he was at UConn, and Dion Waiters has been in the NBA for half a season?

I'm curious how you reconcile Lamb being better than Dion when he actually gets to play. How does that fit into your alternate reality?

Oh, i get it.
Surprise, you're not paying attention.

When i continued to go on and on about his development on our team, and Lambs develop on and for our team.. that just goes ignored. Because again, you and Bondom are just wanting to read what you want. You're not paying attention to what is said.

[bondom34]

Do you know what "timescale" is?
Do you honestly want to continue pretending as if you don't grasp the difference between 40 games and 4 years. Do you honestly want to continue with that stupidity?
Do you honestly want to pretend that me being willing to dismiss Lamb after FOUR YEARS is entirely different from Waiters after 40 GAMES?
How the holy **** can you sit here and say Lamb has not had half the chance Dion has? WE GAVE HIM FOUR **** YEARS. WE FORCED MINUTES ON HIM AND POSITIONS ON HIM OVER AND OVER AND OVER. HE FAILED EVERY SINGLE TIME. But duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh four years and 40 games duuuhhhhhhhhhh same amount of time.

Stop pulling bull out of your ass.... talk about projection.... goddamn.

Lamb is as garbage as you get. He wont be in the NBA after this contract is up, i think we all know that. Even if he is traded, no one will get something out of him that we could not. We've given him chance after chance and he fails every single time.
Waiters, at the very least has shown us he can produce as a role playing starter should but his game needs tweaking. And no matter if you like him or not, he will still be in the league after his rookie contract, because hes not complete and utter garbage. There are positives to gain from his development.
But apparently this is completely nonexistent. Even when its shoved into your eye sockets in black and white, you're completely blind to it.

You are right. The rest of the world is wrong. And there's now a poll on the PC board.

Its not the rest of the world, its you and some people on message boards.
Again, find me a professional analyst that has Lamb in the league after his first contract... i have yet to hear one suggest this. Most don't seem to understand why we have kept him this long.
You are arguing against facts at this point. You continue to try to waive this antiWaiters flag, while ive shown you the numbers. You've continued to cry about Lamb not getting a fair shot, while again, ive shown you the numbers. We've seen he has had four years in the NBA on this OKC team. We've seen he has racked up more minutes in one season then even Waiters. We've seen that he has had minimal development during this time. We've seen that he cant even come close to averages of Waiters. I dont know what to tell you at this point. Its not about opinion at this point, the **** is right in front of your face and you simply refuse to look at it. So much so, that you're willing to argue four years and 40 games are the same...... which i cannot even begin to explain how stupid that sounds.

I've seen multiple pieces on daily thunder and wtlc calling for Lamb to get anacual chance, and Dion no more.

[Bravenewworld]

You are right. The rest of the world is wrong. And there's now a poll on the PC board.

Its not the rest of the world, its you and some people on message boards.
Again, find me a professional analyst that has Lamb in the league after his first contract... i have yet to hear one suggest this. Most don't seem to understand why we have kept him this long.
You are arguing against facts at this point. You continue to try to waive this antiWaiters flag, while ive shown you the numbers. You've continued to cry about Lamb not getting a fair shot, while again, ive shown you the numbers. We've seen he has had four years in the NBA on this OKC team. We've seen he has racked up more minutes in one season then even Waiters. We've seen that he has had minimal development during this time. We've seen that he cant even come close to averages of Waiters. I dont know what to tell you at this point. Its not about opinion at this point, the **** is right in front of your face and you simply refuse to look at it. So much so, that you're willing to argue four years and 40 games are the same...... which i cannot even begin to explain how stupid that sounds.

I've seen multiple pieces on daily thunder and wtlc calling for Lamb to get anacual chance, and Dion no more.

Im sure there are plenty of fanboys who have. But no one that matters will. Do you honestly think this guy will be in the league after his stint with OKC?
What happens when Donovan wont play him? Are we going to do the same thing we did with Brooks and play this game of witch hunt without even attempting to hold Lamb accountable for his short comings?
Are we going to continue to ignore the fact that OKC is one of the better development teams in the NBA, all so we can ignore Lamb's inabilities?

[spearsy23]

i just looked it up, all these sites keep saying Lamb and Waiters were drafted the same year. Can anyone confirm that Dion didn't actually pop into existence in January of this year? Maybe history has been altered and only one person recognizes it.

WTF are you even talking about? What does this have to do with anything ive said?

Jeremy Lamb has been playing for the Thunder since he was at UConn, and Dion Waiters has been in the NBA for half a season?

I'm curious how you reconcile Lamb being better than Dion when he actually gets to play. How does that fit into your alternate reality?

Oh, i get it.
Surprise, you're not paying attention.

When i continued to go on and on about his development on our team, and Lambs develop on and for our team.. that just goes ignored. Because again, you and Bondom are just wanting to read what you want. You're not paying attention to what is said.

You keep going on and on without saying anything. point to his development on this team.

[bondom34]

Its not the rest of the world, its you and some people on message boards.
Again, find me a professional analyst that has Lamb in the league after his first contract... i have yet to hear one suggest this. Most don't seem to understand why we have kept him this long.
You are arguing against facts at this point. You continue to try to waive this antiWaiters flag, while ive shown you the numbers. You've continued to cry about Lamb not getting a fair shot, while again, ive shown you the numbers. We've seen he has had four years in the NBA on this OKC team. We've seen he has racked up more minutes in one season then even Waiters. We've seen that he has had minimal development during this time. We've seen that he cant even come close to averages of Waiters. I dont know what to tell you at this point. Its not about opinion at this point, the **** is right in front of your face and you simply refuse to look at it. So much so, that you're willing to argue four years and 40 games are the same...... which i cannot even begin to explain how stupid that sounds.

I've seen multiple pieces on daily thunder and wtlc calling for Lamb to get anacual chance, and Dion no more.

Im sure there are plenty of fanboys who have. But no one that matters will. Do you honestly think this guy will be in the league after his stint with OKC?
What happens when Donovan wont play him? Are we going to do the same thing we did with Brooks and play this game of witch hunt without even attempting to hold Lamb accountable for his short comings?

I think he's got a better shot than Dion, I'll say that much

[Bravenewworld]

i just looked it up, all these sites keep saying Lamb and Waiters were drafted the same year. Can anyone confirm that Dion didn't actually pop into existence in January of this year? Maybe history has been altered and only one person recognizes it.

WTF are you even talking about? What does this have to do with anything ive said?

Jeremy Lamb has been playing for the Thunder since he was at UConn, and Dion Waiters has been in the NBA for half a season?

I'm curious how you reconcile Lamb being better than Dion when he actually gets to play. How does that fit into your alternate reality?

Oh, i get it.
Surprise, you're not paying attention.

When i continued to go on and on about his development on our team, and Lambs develop on and for our team.. that just goes ignored. Because again, you and Bondom are just wanting to read what you want. You're not paying attention to what is said.

You keep going on and on without saying anything. point to his development on this team.

The past two pages are me talking about this, you can check if you want, but im going to continue to type the same thing out over and over because you dont want to go back one page.

[spearsy23]

Its not the rest of the world, its you and some people on message boards.
Again, find me a professional analyst that has Lamb in the league after his first contract... i have yet to hear one suggest this. Most don't seem to understand why we have kept him this long.
You are arguing against facts at this point. You continue to try to waive this antiWaiters flag, while ive shown you the numbers. You've continued to cry about Lamb not getting a fair shot, while again, ive shown you the numbers. We've seen he has had four years in the NBA on this OKC team. We've seen he has racked up more minutes in one season then even Waiters. We've seen that he has had minimal development during this time. We've seen that he cant even come close to averages of Waiters. I dont know what to tell you at this point. Its not about opinion at this point, the **** is right in front of your face and you simply refuse to look at it. So much so, that you're willing to argue four years and 40 games are the same...... which i cannot even begin to explain how stupid that sounds.

I've seen multiple pieces on daily thunder and wtlc calling for Lamb to get anacual chance, and Dion no more.

Im sure there are plenty of fanboys who have. But no one that matters will. Do you honestly think this guy will be in the league after his stint with OKC?
What happens when Donovan wont play him? Are we going to do the same thing we did with Brooks and play this game of witch hunt without even attempting to hold Lamb accountable for his short comings?
Are we going to continue to ignore the fact that OKC is one of the better development teams in the NBA, all so we can ignore Lamb's inabilities?

Besides me, Bondom is probably the biggest Brooks Fanboy on this forum. What witch-hunt are you making up?

[spearsy23]

The past two pages are me talking about this, you can check if you want, but im going to continue to type the same thing out over and over because you dont want to go back one page.

You haven't ever pointed out what development. You just say 'he got better' or 'his improvement' or other variations.

[Bravenewworld]

I've seen multiple pieces on daily thunder and wtlc calling for Lamb to get anacual chance, and Dion no more.

Im sure there are plenty of fanboys who have. But no one that matters will. Do you honestly think this guy will be in the league after his stint with OKC?
What happens when Donovan wont play him? Are we going to do the same thing we did with Brooks and play this game of witch hunt without even attempting to hold Lamb accountable for his short comings?
Are we going to continue to ignore the fact that OKC is one of the better development teams in the NBA, all so we can ignore Lamb's inabilities?

Besides me, Bondom is probably the biggest Brooks Fanboy on this forum. What witch-hunt are you making up?

And what? That means that you two were not saying that Lamb that did not get a fair shot with Brooks? We've had this conversation at least half a dozen times.

[Bravenewworld]

I've seen multiple pieces on daily thunder and wtlc calling for Lamb to get anacual chance, and Dion no more.

Im sure there are plenty of fanboys who have. But no one that matters will. Do you honestly think this guy will be in the league after his stint with OKC?
What happens when Donovan wont play him? Are we going to do the same thing we did with Brooks and play this game of witch hunt without even attempting to hold Lamb accountable for his short comings?

I think he's got a better shot than Dion, I'll say that much

And that right there just shows your willing ignorance on the subject. It just shows how much you're willing to ignore to suggest such a thing. Waiters first two years, you completely ignore time and time again. Lamb, you seem to making some alternate reality for him.
You ignore Waiters first two years, highlight half a season with the Cavs and with us, while both teams were a mess. Then falsely conflate Lambs career.

[spearsy23]

Im sure there are plenty of fanboys who have. But no one that matters will. Do you honestly think this guy will be in the league after his stint with OKC?
What happens when Donovan wont play him? Are we going to do the same thing we did with Brooks and play this game of witch hunt without even attempting to hold Lamb accountable for his short comings?
Are we going to continue to ignore the fact that OKC is one of the better development teams in the NBA, all so we can ignore Lamb's inabilities?

Besides me, Bondom is probably the biggest Brooks Fanboy on this forum. What witch-hunt are you making up?

And what? That means that you two were not saying that Lamb that did not get a fair shot with Brooks? We've had this conversation at least half a dozen times.

I don't believe I've ever said anything about a 'fair' shot. Life isn't fair, it isn't about fair, it's about Dion sucking so why not play the player who has been better when he gets playing time?

What does Dion do better than Lamb?

[bondom34]

Im sure there are plenty of fanboys who have. But no one that matters will. Do you honestly think this guy will be in the league after his stint with OKC?
What happens when Donovan wont play him? Are we going to do the same thing we did with Brooks and play this game of witch hunt without even attempting to hold Lamb accountable for his short comings?

I think he's got a better shot than Dion, I'll say that much

And that right there just shows your willing ignorance on the subject. It just shows how much you're willing to ignore to suggest such a thing. Waiters first two years, you completely ignore time and time again. Lamb, you seem to making some alternate reality for him.
You ignore Waiters first two years, highlight half a season with the Cavs and with us, while both teams were a mess. Then false excels conflate Lambs career.

Except the part where Dion sucked his first 2years.

[spearsy23]

And that right there just shows your willing ignorance on the subject. It just shows how much you're willing to ignore to suggest such a thing. Waiters first two years, you completely ignore time and time again. Lamb, you seem to making some alternate reality for him.
You ignore Waiters first two years, highlight half a season with the Cavs and with us, while both teams were a mess. Then falsely conflate Lambs career.

You're the one ignoring 2.5 seasons. You're the one saying Waiters has only played 40 games. You're the one excusing every failure. You'll notice nobody is saying Lamb is great (or even good), because it's not about how good Lamb is, it's about how crappy Dion is. Dion was horrible his first season, merely bad his second, and abysmal last season. You want to discount this season to fit some narrative that he's 'improving', well we all watched. We all saw him play like crap, we can all look at the numbers, we can all watch the tape, and we can all come to the same conclusion: he played like sh*t. If you don't agree with that tell us why. What did Dion do well?

[Bravenewworld]

Besides me, Bondom is probably the biggest Brooks Fanboy on this forum. What witch-hunt are you making up?

And what? That means that you two were not saying that Lamb that did not get a fair shot with Brooks? We've had this conversation at least half a dozen times.

I don't believe I've ever said anything about a 'fair' shot. Life isn't fair, it isn't about fair, it's about Dion sucking so why not play the player who has been better when he gets playing time?

What does Dion do better than Lamb?

Your mom?
I dont know, apparently im just saying these thigns tos ay them. Its not like you're ignoring whats said and i continue to say them over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Again, go back one page. Go to the many threads where we've had this very same argument and you continued to ignore what was said so you can tell me how you feel.

[Bravenewworld]

You're the one ignoring 2.5 seasons.

Except i highlighted all that information just one or two pages go..... good thing you pay attention.

You're the one saying Waiters has only played 40 games.

Wow... i literally spelled it out for you just two posts ago... pay attention..... ON OUR TEAM. ON OKC. His development with the Cavs is irrelevant to the point of OUR TEAMS player development.