Is Green worth a max deal to Detroit?

[DBC10]

Draymond was always a pipedream same with LMA, Jimmy Butler, and even Khris Middleton. I'm voting yes, he's worth the max since full earning from him will be nothing once the cap significantly spikes.

There is always one pipedream some person starts up, a few off seasons ago, it was Bosh and even Chris Paul.

[sc8581]

Yes. It's that simple, Thompson is a bad matchup for him but their aren't many guys his size at the 4.

[Snakebites]

Doesn't matter, i think the Illy trade takes Green out of play

He's not an option for us anyway, but I see absolutely no reason why those 2 guys can't be part of the same rotation.

because of the cost and lack of need. SVG "coveted" illy, i don't think it was because he wanted a backup so hard. Green's a PF that can play mulitiple positions, but he's still a PF.

I'm a lot less willing to peg an offseason direction on a single verb choice in one interview than you are, I guess. He wanted Illy because he fits his system, not because we're absolutely committed to him as our starter other options be damned.

He's simply not the caliber of player that is a "game changer" in terms of the directions a team may or may not take in an offseason. If you have a chance to get Green, who undeniably fits with our primary core pieces, you do it and figure out a way to make the secondary pieces (Illy is a secondary piece) work.

It doesn't matter though. The Warriors will match anything. We aren't going to waste our time or hold up our cap space on a player that we have no shot at.

[Blkbrd671]

I'm a lot less willing to peg an offseason direction on a single verb choice in one interview than you are, I guess. He wanted Illy because he fits his system, not because we're absolutely committed to him as our starter other options be damned.

As of right now we have Illy and Tolliver on the team, while its still early its safe to assume that Tolliver is the backup. Additionally Illy isn't a no name scrub. I am not peggin anything on a verb, i am pegging my opinon on our current roster and on the actions and words of our GM.

He's simply not the caliber of player that is a "game changer" in terms of the directions a team may or may not take in an offseason. If you have a chance to get Green, who undeniably fits with our primary core pieces, you do it and figure out a way to make the secondary pieces (Illy is a secondary piece) work.

1.) How many game changers do we need? I am sure we can fill the SF position with a "game changer" and be just fine if, that's what you think we need

2.) How is Green a game changer?

It doesn't matter though. The Warriors will match anything. We aren't going to waste our time or hold up our cap space on a player that we have no shot at.

There's a lot wrong with this statement but we've already discussed this and its not worth repeating. my point remains. The acquistion of Illy takes green out of play.

[MrBigShot]

Green bounced back nicely today. Is he worth the max? Yes, absolutely. With the cap going up and his fit on Golden State, he is absolutely worth a static max deal (not the 25% or 30% one that rises as the cap does).

He'll be a Warrior, but I've been impressed with Draymond this year and while he does have his deficiencies he is the type of player you need on your team to win. He's simply a winner, straight up.

[Snakebites]

I'm a lot less willing to peg an offseason direction on a single verb choice in one interview than you are, I guess. He wanted Illy because he fits his system, not because we're absolutely committed to him as our starter other options be damned.

As of right now we have Illy and Tolliver on the team, while its still early its safe to assume that Tolliver is the backup. Additionally Illy isn't a no name scrub. I am not peggin anything on a verb, i am pegging my opinon on our current roster and on the actions and words of our GM.

He's simply not the caliber of player that is a "game changer" in terms of the directions a team may or may not take in an offseason. If you have a chance to get Green, who undeniably fits with our primary core pieces, you do it and figure out a way to make the secondary pieces (Illy is a secondary piece) work.

1.) How many game changers do we need? I am sure we can fill the SF position with a "game changer" and be just fine if, that's what you think we need

2.) How is Green a game changer?

It doesn't matter though. The Warriors will match anything. We aren't going to waste our time or hold up our cap space on a player that we have no shot at.

There's a lot wrong with this statement but we've already discussed this and its not worth repeating. my point remains. The acquistion of Illy takes green out of play.

Our perspectives here are so dramatically different as to not warrant further discussion. We simply have a way of looking at things so fundamentally different from one another that I'd like to just move on here. There are also elements of your post that suggest you didn't really understand what I meant either, but I don't see explaining it further to be a profitable endevour.

Also, apparently there's a "lot wrong" with a part of my post that I thought didn't say anything that shouldn't have been obvious to everyone.

We leave it here I guess.

[Blkbrd671]

Our perspectives here are so dramatically different as to not warrant further discussion. We simply have a way of looking at things so fundamentally different from one another that I'd like to just move on here. There are also elements of your post that suggest you didn't really understand what I meant either, but I don't see explaining it further to be a profitable endevour.

That much is clear

Also, apparently there's a "lot wrong" with a part of my post that I thought didn't say anything that shouldn't have been obvious to everyone.

We leave it here I guess.

Of all the things you chose to address you picked this one. I refuse to rediscuss it as its just going to take this thread on another tangent if it hasn't already.

[Maker_84]

no **** WAY. overrated player that's undersized

[He Filled it Up]

I should had said this before tonight's game, but it really doesn't change my opinion. The answer is yes, even if his individual production isn't worth it.

We need a guy like that specifically at that position. I really do not want to draft a four, we're super inexperienced up front. He's not old, but Draymond is a vet. He knows what it takes and how to push a guy, opponents and teammates. Andre could benefit so much from Draymond's play, skill set, and leadership.

The coach on the floor narrative has something to it, we saw it with Chauncey and Big Ben. We need a guy that brings toughness, not just not himself but to the rest of the team.

[ElectricMayhem]

He's worth a current max to us but he's not worth offering one to as we'd just lose time in free agency with no reward.

[tmorgan]

He's worth a current max to us for his balls alone. Andre is too nice, KCP is too quiet. Reggie has a little swagger to him, but he's certainly not a tough guy. As obnoxious as he can be, Draymond has brains, balls, and toughness. He can also pass, defend, and rebound.

The only tough sell is that we really want shooters at the 2-3-4, and Green's jumper is pretty weak. I'd try to make it work anyway, though, because I'd rather be a great defensive team. He'd help us get there.

[Pharaoh]

Klay Thompson-like Max? Yes!

You need guys like him on your roster. I don't see how it's up for debate

[Neptune]

@TMorgan, I don't know. I gotta go back to my comments in the past. I currently don't see anybody offering Green a max deal.

If we did offer him a max deal, we could probably get his attention. For some reason, I could see that max deal becoming a bad contract though.

[Laimbeer]

Yes. It's that simple, Thompson is a bad matchup for him but their aren't many guys his size at the 4.

Thompson is a good offensive rebounder, but playing with LeBron makes him look great. There's a lot of pressure on bigs to help with him and that leaves a lot of paths to the front of the basket. Some team is going to pay him big money and get disappointed.

[sc8581]

Yes. It's that simple, Thompson is a bad matchup for him but their aren't many guys his size at the 4.

Thompson is a good offensive rebounder, but playing with LeBron makes him look great. There's a lot of pressure on bigs to help with him and that leaves a lot of paths to the front of the basket. Some team is going to pay him big money and get disappointed.[/quoquote

Any team that pays him knows exactly what to expect from him, not sure what you expect though.

[coordinator0]

Yes. It's that simple, Thompson is a bad matchup for him but their aren't many guys his size at the 4.

Thompson is a good offensive rebounder, but playing with LeBron makes him look great. There's a lot of pressure on bigs to help with him and that leaves a lot of paths to the front of the basket. Some team is going to pay him big money and get disappointed.

Yeah, I think Thompson a somewhat similar player to Faried for what he gives a team. If/when he gets a big deal this offseason people are going to be looking at that contract in the same negative way down the road.

[Laimbeer]

Yes. It's that simple, Thompson is a bad matchup for him but their aren't many guys his size at the 4.

Thompson is a good offensive rebounder, but playing with LeBron makes him look great. There's a lot of pressure on bigs to help with him and that leaves a lot of paths to the front of the basket. Some team is going to pay him big money and get disappointed.[/quoquote

Any team that pays him knows exactly what to expect from him, not sure what you expect though.

There are only a million or so examples of teams not getting what they expect out of a free agent.

[tmorgan]

@TMorgan, I don't know. I gotta go back to my comments in the past. I currently don't see anybody offering Green a max deal.

If we did offer him a max deal, we could probably get his attention. For some reason, I could see that max deal becoming a bad contract though.

You're a crazy person. You want a defensive team (diff thread), but you don't want Draymond? You already admitted you were wrong, then he plays a couple of weak games in the Finals and you're "back to my comments in the past"?

Can't take you seriously, Mr. Dumars Smith Jennings Monroe.