Russell cancelled workout wild speculation [POLL]

[kingphilly]

And if Tony Parker is a generational talent I'm surprised he hasn't played in more all star games

[OleSchool]

And really soon here Hinkie is going to start feeling the pressure of fielding a competitive team. He won't be able to put a team on the floor that wins 12-20 games each season much longer. Then I guess we'll see what he's really made of, because so far all I see is a never ending collection of assets with no real plan in place. He's hoping to strike gold with one of them and then figure out the rest of the roster then.

Yeah cause the 2 years that we've been in tank mode is REALLY taking its toll

This is the problem with fans of other teams and the media when they talk about the Sixers. We've only been tanking for 2 years. It seems longer cause we've been mediocre for so long

[Ericb5]

And really soon here Hinkie is going to start feeling the pressure of fielding a competitive team. He won't be able to put a team on the floor that wins 12-20 games each season much longer. Then I guess we'll see what he's really made of, because so far all I see is a never ending collection of assets with no real plan in place. He's hoping to strike gold with one of them and then figure out the rest of the roster then.

Yeah cause the 2 years that we've been in tank mode is REALLY taking its toll

This is the problem with fans of other teams and the media when they talk about the Sixers. We've only been tanking for 2 years. It seems longer cause we've been mediocre for so long

Exactly.

People who aren't hardcore Sixer fans have to remember what we have been for the last decade, which was hovering between atrocious and mediocre. Even in the last two years we weren't the worst team either year. We have been the worst team in total over the last two years, but it seems like a small price to pay to me.

What Hinkie has been able to accumulate in 2 years is amazing, but wins are a big time lagging indicator of a program.

To me, it is already an undeniable miracle of a turn around, but I think in the next 12-18 months it will start being obvious to the casual fans, and fans from other teams.

He has to keep drafting well, and we need a bit of good fortune in terms of health, but we Re really moving in the right direction.



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[kingphilly]

All I can say is thanks to hinkie, the draft and trade deadlines couldn't be more exciting lol

[LongLiveHinkie]

udiay, or Winslow over okafor he's an absolute idiot. And knowing that he isn't, I know he'd maximize okafors value

Taking a center in three consecutive drafts, two with top 3 picks, and one with a top 8 pick, doesn't scream genius to me.

It screams we will never be competitive. If the Sixers drafted another big, all it will do is decrease the value of both Okafor and Noel. GM's around the league will pay you pennies on the dollar, because they know you're not going to have a top 3 pick coming off the bench.. Which is what would happen if kept both Embiid and Okafor on the roster.

I dunno, seems to me that to win an NBA title, and have a team that is capable of becoming a dynasty level team, you need both a dominant big man and a dominant perimeter player. You need both.

And really soon here Hinkie is going to start feeling the pressure of fielding a competitive team. He won't be able to put a team on the floor that wins 12-20 games each season much longer. Then I guess we'll see what he's really made of, because so far all I see is a never ending collection of assets with no real plan in place. He's hoping to strike gold with one of them and then figure out the rest of the roster then.

I like Embiid, by the way, I think he's going to be a good one. Let's see what the rest of the roster looks like though because he's not going to be able to win by himself.

That doesn't make much sense to me. For one, I think every team in the NBA would like to have a never-ending collection of assets. Assets help you bring in talent. But he's also adding very talented pieces to this roster. Noel, Embiid, Saric, the #3 pick this season. They will all end up being really talented guys.

You just contradicted yourself in the last part. You said no real plan in place, and said what the plan is in the next sentence. The plan is to get superstars. To get them, you need to accumulate assets and/or high picks and hope you strike gold. Then the rest falls into place.

[OleSchool]

To me, it is already an undeniable miracle of a turn around, but I think in the next 12-18 months it will start being obvious to the casual fans, and fans from other teams.

He has to keep drafting well, and we need a bit of good fortune in terms of health, but we Re really moving in the right direction.



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We actually started to turn the corner this year. Right before MCW got traded you could see we were playing some good ball, FWIW I think thats one of the reasons Hinkie traded MCW.

BB said so as much after the trade in one of his post game pressers. I forget the exact words but basically he said "you could feel that this team was really turning the corner."

[Ericb5]

To me, it is already an undeniable miracle of a turn around, but I think in the next 12-18 months it will start being obvious to the casual fans, and fans from other teams.

He has to keep drafting well, and we need a bit of good fortune in terms of health, but we Re really moving in the right direction.



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We actually started to turn the corner this year. Right before MCW got traded you could see we were playing some good ball, FWIW I think thats one of the reasons Hinkie traded MCW.

BB said so as much after the trade in one of his post game pressers. I forget the exact words but basically he said "you could feel that this team was really turning the corner."

They were playing very well before MCW was traded, but I think it is unfair to think that Hinkie would have traded him because of that, or even partly because of that.

I take that deal at face value. They were not convinced that MCW was the long term answer and they got a better asset in exchange for him.

However, you reminded me of something important which is that Brett Brown is a hell of a coach, and he showed it during that stretch especially.

People don't seem to give Hinkie enough credit for the Brown hire. He NAILED the hiring of a coach too. A lot of people made fun of how long it took Hinkie to make a coaching decision, but choosing Brett Brown was right up there with the Jrue trade.


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[LloydFree]

To me, it is already an undeniable miracle of a turn around, but I think in the next 12-18 months it will start being obvious to the casual fans, and fans from other teams.

He has to keep drafting well, and we need a bit of good fortune in terms of health, but we Re really moving in the right direction.



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We actually started to turn the corner this year. Right before MCW got traded you could see we were playing some good ball, FWIW I think thats one of the reasons Hinkie traded MCW.

BB said so as much after the trade in one of his post game pressers. I forget the exact words but basically he said "you could feel that this team was really turning the corner."

Of course that was a reason for the trade. The fact that he got such a good return was just icing on the cake. He was going to trade him either way. The fact that Ish came in and almost messed up his intentions, doesn't change the fact that they were beating teams regularly prior to the trade deadline. But having Ish on the team, made it easier for them to strategically sit the starting PG at key times during the last ten games. So it worked out in the end.

[JoelNoel]

To me, it is already an undeniable miracle of a turn around, but I think in the next 12-18 months it will start being obvious to the casual fans, and fans from other teams.

He has to keep drafting well, and we need a bit of good fortune in terms of health, but we Re really moving in the right direction.



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We actually started to turn the corner this year. Right before MCW got traded you could see we were playing some good ball, FWIW I think thats one of the reasons Hinkie traded MCW.

BB said so as much after the trade in one of his post game pressers. I forget the exact words but basically he said "you could feel that this team was really turning the corner."

Of course that was a reason for the trade. The fact that he got such a good return was just icing on the cake. He was going to trade him either way. The fact that Ish came in and almost messed up his intentions, doesn't change the fact that they were beating teams regularly prior to the trade deadline. But having Ish on the team, made it easier for them to strategically sit the starting PG at key times during the last ten games. So it worked out in the end.

You really think Hinke would have traded MCW if he thought he was the PG of the future?

[Ericb5]

To me, it is already an undeniable miracle of a turn around, but I think in the next 12-18 months it will start being obvious to the casual fans, and fans from other teams.

He has to keep drafting well, and we need a bit of good fortune in terms of health, but we Re really moving in the right direction.



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We actually started to turn the corner this year. Right before MCW got traded you could see we were playing some good ball, FWIW I think thats one of the reasons Hinkie traded MCW.

BB said so as much after the trade in one of his post game pressers. I forget the exact words but basically he said "you could feel that this team was really turning the corner."

Of course that was a reason for the trade. The fact that he got such a good return was just icing on the cake. He was going to trade him either way. The fact that Ish came in and almost messed up his intentions, doesn't change the fact that they were beating teams regularly prior to the trade deadline. But having Ish on the team, made it easier for them to strategically sit the starting PG at key times during the last ten games. So it worked out in the end.

That's a cynical take Lloyd. I really don't believe it.

YES, making the team on the court worse was a motivation in the Turner, Hawes, and Young deals, but I don't think that it was part of the MCW deal.

Or at least, I would describe it at best as the inverse of what you said. We got great value for him, and the icing on the cake was that it made us worse.

It was a target of opportunity.


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[skywalker33]

Trolling

[MRxBLACK]

And this is why you don't continually tank, who wants to play for you ???

Russell was sick, now go troll somewhere else.

[marcush]

And this is why you don't continually tank, who wants to play for you ???

Lol, and everything is just going perfectly at Denver.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I believe Russell, Towns, and Mudiay all said they'd love to play for the Sixers.

Yet Ty Lawson is dying to force his way out of Denver.

[76ciology]

Don't feed the trolls.

Well if you are a prospect, Sixers is the team you'd want to play. Just like what Hinkie said after the draft.

You'd have opportunity to showcase your talent just like MCW..

opportunity to improve just like Noel and Jerami..

Opportunity to be a franchise player and not play under the spotlight of a primadona superstar.

I'm 100% sure Sixers isn't the reason why Russell didn't workout. It's more of sickness/injury/slump or promise issue.

[SMH]

And this is why you don't continually tank, who wants to play for you ???

I'm sure hes dying to play in Denver, the team where the players quit on their coach. Looks like a hot FA spot!

[LloydFree]

We actually started to turn the corner this year. Right before MCW got traded you could see we were playing some good ball, FWIW I think thats one of the reasons Hinkie traded MCW.

BB said so as much after the trade in one of his post game pressers. I forget the exact words but basically he said "you could feel that this team was really turning the corner."

Of course that was a reason for the trade. The fact that he got such a good return was just icing on the cake. He was going to trade him either way. The fact that Ish came in and almost messed up his intentions, doesn't change the fact that they were beating teams regularly prior to the trade deadline. But having Ish on the team, made it easier for them to strategically sit the starting PG at key times during the last ten games. So it worked out in the end.

You really think Hinke would have traded MCW if he thought he was the PG of the future?

Outside of Joel Embiid, I don't think Hinkie believes anybody on the team is "any position" of the future. I think he rightly felt that anybody was expendable from the team that would ensure they got another top pick in the draft this year. I think he looked at MCW as an insignificant piece, in comparison to obtaining a top pick this year.

At the time of the trade, there were two players that were causing the 76ers to win those games: MCW and Covington. He got rid of MCW, who was an 'OK' player, to secure his 'long view' of making sure he got a top pick (potential great player) this year. Ish made everyone lose sight of that because he kept the team rolling, but that was accidental. The trade was made for the same reason he got rid of Jrue Holiday, a very good player. It was a two pronged maneuver. It was a tank move, first and foremost, the fact that he got value was almost secondary, IMO. And I don't have any problem with anything Hinkie did, because it was smart.

If you're going to tank, then tank. Don't be Orlando, and wind up picking one spot out of the top tier every year.

[76ciology]

Of course that was a reason for the trade. The fact that he got such a good return was just icing on the cake. He was going to trade him either way. The fact that Ish came in and almost messed up his intentions, doesn't change the fact that they were beating teams regularly prior to the trade deadline. But having Ish on the team, made it easier for them to strategically sit the starting PG at key times during the last ten games. So it worked out in the end.

You really think Hinke would have traded MCW if he thought he was the PG of the future?

Outside of Joel Embiid, I don't think Hinkie believes anybody on the team is "any position" of the future. I think he rightly felt that anybody was expendable from the team that would ensure they got another top pick in the draft this year. I think he looked at MCW as an insignificant piece, in comparison to obtaining a top pick this year.

At the time of the trade, there were two players that were causing the 76ers to win those games: MCW and Covington. He got rid of MCW, who was an 'OK' player, to secure his 'long view' of making sure he got a top pick (potential great player) this year. Ish made everyone lose sight of that because he kept the team rolling, but that was accidental. The trade was made for the same reason he got rid of Jrue Holiday, a very good player. It was a two pronged maneuver. It was a tank move, first and foremost, the fact that he got value was almost secondary, IMO. And I don't have any problem with anything Hinkie did, because it was smart.

If you're going to tank, then tank. Don't be Orlando, and wind up picking one spot out of the top tier every year.

Come on.. The reason why Hinkie traded MCW is the same reason he traded Jrue for. Not because he want to field an "awful" team but it's because the market values both guys ridiculously higher than their actual value. If MCW is the next JKidd, he wouldn't trade him. He traded MCW because MCW has been given all the time and opportunity in the world to improve his shooting and his game but he has shown nothing but role player potential at the PG position. And the window is closing considering MCW's age and contract situation.

If hinkie wants to tank, he wouldn't sign RoCo, Ish and TRob. Tanking is what the Wolves and the Knicks did. Letting Galloway and Shved play full time PG and having trash centers like Amoundson to start for their team. Hell, if you watch the replays on our team against the Knicks those guys looks lost and isn't giving full effort. The wolves? Man, for me that's one of the most blatant tanking I've ever since since Ricky Davis days with the Cavs. How the hell can you sit so much guys that you are a guy away from defaulting the game?

I don't look at our team as "tanking" it's more of auditioning. Guys like JaKarr gets the chance to have a long term pro if they showed improvement. MCW gets the chance to be a star PG or atleast a good building block if he showed improvement and consistency in his game. Noel gets the chance to show if he's a max contract player. Embiid gets the chance to show if he's a franchise player. Tanking is a collective losing effort. Our team got individual goals for our guys. Whether it's the amount of deflections, to effort or to career goals.

[LloydFree]

You really think Hinke would have traded MCW if he thought he was the PG of the future?

Outside of Joel Embiid, I don't think Hinkie believes anybody on the team is "any position" of the future. I think he rightly felt that anybody was expendable from the team that would ensure they got another top pick in the draft this year. I think he looked at MCW as an insignificant piece, in comparison to obtaining a top pick this year.

At the time of the trade, there were two players that were causing the 76ers to win those games: MCW and Covington. He got rid of MCW, who was an 'OK' player, to secure his 'long view' of making sure he got a top pick (potential great player) this year. Ish made everyone lose sight of that because he kept the team rolling, but that was accidental. The trade was made for the same reason he got rid of Jrue Holiday, a very good player. It was a two pronged maneuver. It was a tank move, first and foremost, the fact that he got value was almost secondary, IMO. And I don't have any problem with anything Hinkie did, because it was smart.

If you're going to tank, then tank. Don't be Orlando, and wind up picking one spot out of the top tier every year.

Come on.. The reason why Hinkie traded MCW is the same reason he traded Jrue for. Not because he want to field an "awful" team but it's because the market values both guys ridiculously higher than their actual value. If MCW is the next JKidd, he wouldn't trade him. He traded MCW because MCW has been given all the time and opportunity in the world to improve his shooting and his game but he has shown nothing but role player potential at the PG position. And the window is closing considering MCW's age and contract situation.

In hinkie wants to tank, he wouldn't sign RoCo, Ish and TRob. Tanking is what the Wolves and the Knicks did. Letting Galloway and Shved play full time PG and having trash centers like Amoundson to start for their team. Hell, if you watch the replays on our team against the Knicks those guys looks lost and isn't giving full effort. The wolves? Man, for me that's one of the most blatant tanking I've ever since since Ricky Davis days with the Cavs. How the hell can you sit so much guys that you are a guy away from defaulting the game?

I don't look at our team as "tanking" it's more of auditioning. Guys like JaKarr gets the chance to have a long term pro if they showed improvement. MCW gets the chance to be a star PG or atleast a good building block if he showed improvement and consistency in his game. Noel gets the chance to show if he's a max contract player. Embiid gets the chance to show if he's a franchise player. Tanking is a collective losing effort. Our team got individual goals for our guys. Whether it's the amount of deflections, to effort or to career goals.

Ridiculous. Pure and simple. The 76ers didn't sign Ish Smith or Thomas Robinson in an attempt to win games. They were signed for the same reason Javalle Mghee was acquired: To manipulate the salary cap. They were still under the salary floor when they signed those guys, and it saved them at least 2 million, by picking their guaranteed salaries up after they were released. They didnt know Ish Smith and Thomas Robinson were good enough to win games. Roco was picked up by the 76ers, the same way the Knicks found Galloway. They saw a decent talent in the minor leagues that they could sign for the minimum and could create an asset, while still tanking. The 76ers didn't sign anybody this year, in an attempt to win games. Neither did the Knicks or Lakers. The 76ers tanked just like the Lakers, Knicks and Wolves tanked. Stop being silly.

[42uptop]

Outside of Joel Embiid, I don't think Hinkie believes anybody on the team is "any position" of the future. I think he rightly felt that anybody was expendable from the team that would ensure they got another top pick in the draft this year. I think he looked at MCW as an insignificant piece, in comparison to obtaining a top pick this year.

At the time of the trade, there were two players that were causing the 76ers to win those games: MCW and Covington. He got rid of MCW, who was an 'OK' player, to secure his 'long view' of making sure he got a top pick (potential great player) this year. Ish made everyone lose sight of that because he kept the team rolling, but that was accidental. The trade was made for the same reason he got rid of Jrue Holiday, a very good player. It was a two pronged maneuver. It was a tank move, first and foremost, the fact that he got value was almost secondary, IMO. And I don't have any problem with anything Hinkie did, because it was smart.

If you're going to tank, then tank. Don't be Orlando, and wind up picking one spot out of the top tier every year.

That's an overstatement if I've ever heard one. MCW was a horrible player for us. A player his age should not be regressing, regardless of who his teammates are. The MCW I watched was helping us tank by playing so poorly.

He traded away MCW because MCW wasn't panning out and he had an opportunity to cash in for an asset. Ish Smith came in and was just as effective.