Jamaaliver wrote:Rip2137 wrote:You know full well I posted that when the Series was 2-1 and one shot from being 3-0. Dont come in with hindsight after the last game and say "see".
Seriously. Being down 2-1 in the Finals the same not the same as getting swept in the Conf Finals. One day. One Game doesn't change anything. GSW and CLE are on a higher tier from us because they have more talent. Period.
Also, you saying something crazy on Wednesday and then being proven wrong 24 hours later isn't using hindsight. You said a dumb thing. Own up to it.
There is no excuse for not using all our resources to massively improve the roster. Especially when our much maligned GM acquired this flexibility for the sole purpose of massively improving the roster.
This summer is largely the only chance we have for years to fully construct any starting 5 we want.
And after seeing our team fall apart last year when Horford was out and Teague proved unable to carry us anywhere...I'm disappointed to hear you say Teague is our best player.
He refused to go back into a crucial fourth quarter of a playoff game because the backup PG (in the midst of a terrible stretch of basketball) was outplaying him.
If Teague was replaced tomorrow by Ty Lawson or Mike Conley, or Isaiah Thomas, or Goran Dragic, we wouldn't miss a beat...
So, just so we are clear, you are saying that prior to last night the Warriors were NOT struggling with the Cleveland Cavs and they weren’t one shot away from being down 3-0 in the series(just like we magically weren’t 1 shot away from being down 2-1 in the series after 3 games.) You are telling me THAT didn’t happen? And basically every article written in every publication before game 4 was a lie too…I guess. I notice you didn’t MENTION it until the Warriors got it together in game 4 though…and oddly they got it together by going smaller and getting big contributions from their defensive minded backup 2/3 man and their back-up point guard….something we didn’t have.
Again…and I don’t know how to stress this more…YOU HAVE NOT SUGGESTED MASSIVELY IMPROVING OUR ROSTER. You have suggested making it WORSE and gambling that someone who has never played a minute of NBA basketball will have a good roster a few years from now. Your suggestion has been, basically, “Give up after massive improvement of year two of the system…it clearly isn’t going to work.”
As for the “refusal” to go back in the game…that’s HILARIOUS. Teague was outplaying Schroder that night, Schroder and the crew on the court had a run going and Schroder was playing some good D on Beal at the time. Schroder shot us out of game one against Cleveland, almost cost us the first FOUR games of the Nets series. But lets forget that…lets try to downplay Teague.
And the team didn’t just lose Horford. They lost 3 centers, Millsap, Korver, Carroll and Lou Williams for a stretch. And they still made the playoffs and SHOULD have beaten the number 1 seed if not for some super boneheaded plays out of Lou Williams. But again…ignore what REALLY happened.
But just so we are clear. I am saying TRADE TEAGUE IF IT MAKES US BETTER. But you have not suggested ANYTHING that would make us better. You just keep saying “hey we can just draft the next Kawi Leonard!” which is just as likely as saying “lets just move up to the 13 pick and take the next Kobe Bryant or Karl Malone!” or hey, Nash and Leonard got picked at 15 so it must be super easy…let’s just do that again.
Again, you are suggesting what NO OTHER TEAM would ever do. You don’t find that a bit weird?
PandaKidd wrote:Rip2137 wrote:
Panda, as for Teague not being top Ten, you have to do this thing where you just ignore his actual play for his perceived weakness. Teague literally had a top ten year at his position in the NBA. You want to take that away...um...because...because. I would love to see this list of 10 point guards that had a better season than Jeff.
1 Year of production, and making some all time dumb decisions in CRITICAL games doesnt leap frog him past:
Kyrie Irving
Chris Paul
Conley
Westbrook
Wall
Harden
Curry
I dont view him as a top 10 PG, he had stretches where he was absolutely in the conversation, and then when i look back at the totality of this season, I saw alot of BAD Teague when it mattered. The last shot vs the Wizards where he couldnt even get a shot off and the last shot vs Lebron where he couldnt figure out what to do. Im sorry, I KNOW WHO TEAGUE IS, hes a guy that WOWS YOU for 20 games, and then plays 2 games to eliminate you in the playoffs where he does **** that makes no sense.
To say our best player was the least key piece to our success...i don't even know where to begin with the absurdity of that.
If your best player is Teague, then, like I said, good luck winning a championship. Hes not an ELITE player.
Panda…love you man, but this is pretty ridiculous. You are SEROIUSLY saying that we should downgrade Teague for a game where he LITERALLY CARRIED US because he, lets be honest, missed a shot against the Cavs. He literally hit EVERY big shot, played huge in EVERY big game in these playoffs. He was the key to the win in game 5 against the Nets when it looked like it was going to be a loss. He played huge in the close out game. He played led the way to close out game 4 against the Wizards and AGAIN in game 6 and made every play needed to win.
He then was the only one to show up in the Cavs series. From that you somehow came up with “bad Teague showed up when it mattered”. You are just, simply, factually wrong and there are game logs, tapes and videos to show it. You just said that the guy that hit every key 4th quarter shot and led us in scoring in game 3 against the Cavs did nothing right because he missed a three at the buzzer basically. He basically took the same shot Lebron took at the end of game one of the finals. If it goes, he is the hero, but since it didn’t he MAGICALLY didn’t carry that team in that game.
And…not to be nitpicky, you realize you just named 6 point guards. So even if you toss in Parker, Rose and Lillard(all of whom Jeff had a better year than, by the way) He still would be number 10 in the league. I don’t see how you don’t think we have a top 10 PG.
We have a point guard that is going into his 5th year as a starter and has had his two best seasons in the current system we have. In the SINGLE year we had a relatively healthy team, he was the key part of a 60 win team and even though he was injured in the playoffs, still played the biggest at the biggest moments and got us to the ECF.
