#27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion

[DadoTheRabbet]

Wait, you're reasoning that Randle, a 7th pick in a much deeper draft, isn't even worth a middle first round pick this year is that he hasn't proven anything, because a middle first round pick has proven what exactly?

This has gotta be the worst reasoned post possible

this is exactly what i was thinking. everyone in this year's draft is picked based on their potential (they've proven absolutely nothing, just like randle).

so saying randle (#7 pick), clarkson (1st all rookie team), 27 and 34 might get a mid to late teens pick makes absolutely no sense at all. that is a huge overpayment for a middle first rounder that has played zero minutes in the nba (and someone who has over a dozen players picked ahead of him too).

Have to agree with this too. Your reasoning is Randle has not proven anything. The middle teens pick has proven less. Randle at least was one of the best college players of his batch. But due to injury, I can concede that Randle for a middle teens pick may be (I personally wouldn't find it so) acceptable.

But adding Clarkson, who has proven something and is 1st team rookie team is crazy. Yes not elite but he has proven that he should have been worthy of being a first rounder. Adding the 27th and 34th even more insane. The Lakers would be out of their minds to do it and any GM in the league would agree to that deal it in a split second.

Again, reasoning is Randle is unproven, 27th is unproven, 34th is unproven but Clarkson is somewhat proven. Mid teens pick definitely not proven. So a good day for us is to trade a 7th pick though unproven, 2 more unproven and 1 all rookie team member for 1 unproven non-lottery pick? Sorry but this boggles the mind.

Again, I Love Clarkson! I can't wait to see what he becomes. (As I've said before in other threads, I'd love to get Russell and have our own Splash Bros.) All I'm talking about is perception. Not mine, not yours but those of REAL NBA execs. How is Clarkson perceived? How is Randle perceived? Because perception is All; reality is insignificant by comparison. I simply don't believe they are viewed nearly as highly as we view them - well, in my case, as I view Clarkson. I am reserving all judgement on Randle because of all that he's studied and worked on mentally with Kobe since the injury.

Frankly, I hope you're right and I'm just trying too hard to not be a homer! If so, and we could use them and the 27 & 34 to get a big and a lottery guard or sf I'd be happy with that going into free agency.

[Laker_Kid]

this is exactly what i was thinking. everyone in this year's draft is picked based on their potential (they've proven absolutely nothing, just like randle).

so saying randle (#7 pick), clarkson (1st all rookie team), 27 and 34 might get a mid to late teens pick makes absolutely no sense at all. that is a huge overpayment for a middle first rounder that has played zero minutes in the nba (and someone who has over a dozen players picked ahead of him too).

Have to agree with this too. Your reasoning is Randle has not proven anything. The middle teens pick has proven less. Randle at least was one of the best college players of his batch. But due to injury, I can concede that Randle for a middle teens pick may be (I personally wouldn't find it so) acceptable.

But adding Clarkson, who has proven something and is 1st team rookie team is crazy. Yes not elite but he has proven that he should have been worthy of being a first rounder. Adding the 27th and 34th even more insane. The Lakers would be out of their minds to do it and any GM in the league would agree to that deal it in a split second.

Again, reasoning is Randle is unproven, 27th is unproven, 34th is unproven but Clarkson is somewhat proven. Mid teens pick definitely not proven. So a good day for us is to trade a 7th pick though unproven, 2 more unproven and 1 all rookie team member for 1 unproven non-lottery pick? Sorry but this boggles the mind.

Again, I Love Clarkson! I can't wait to see what he becomes. (As I've said before in other threads, I'd love to get Russell and have our own Splash Bros.) All I'm talking about is perception. Not mine, not yours but those of REAL NBA execs. How is Clarkson perceived? How is Randle perceived? Because perception is All; reality is insignificant by comparison. I simply don't believe they are viewed nearly as highly as we view them - well, in my case, as I view Clarkson. I am reserving all judgement on Randle because of all that he's studied and worked on mentally with Kobe since the injury.

Frankly, I hope you're right and I'm just trying too hard to not be a homer! If so, and we could use them and the 27 & 34 to get a big and a lottery guard or sf I'd be happy with that going into free agency.

Please stop embarrassing yourself. you have no idea what NBA execs are thinking. step away from the keyboard.

clarkson and russell =/= splash brothers.

[jirojan]

Well, friend, I presented the facts to back up my statement.

Clarkson did exceptionally well ON A BAD TEAM last year. Randle has shown NOTHING to NBA GMs aside from 14 minutes.

And, I did it without being personally insulting. (You might want to try that.)

Now, what REASONING, exactly do you have to support your claim?

didnt mean to offend you man lol...so what your trying to tell me is that a mid lottery pick from last year with alot of promise + a top 5 rookie will land you a late lottery pick at best? i strongly disagree with you.

And so your reasoning is based on the concept of promise and doing well on a bad team. Sorry. That just sounds rather like wishful thinking.

lol you obviously have no idea what your talking about, friend...your logic is very flawed

[DadoTheRabbet]

[quote="Laker_Kid"Please stop embarrassing yourself. you have no idea what NBA execs are thinking. step away from the keyboard.

clarkson and russell =/= splash brothers.[/quote]

Isn't it amazing how internet anonymity makes for rudeness.

I did not say I knew how anyone was thinking, "kid". I submit that it is you who are the embarassment - to your parents. Possibly to humanity....

[digcom99]

this is exactly what i was thinking. everyone in this year's draft is picked based on their potential (they've proven absolutely nothing, just like randle).

so saying randle (#7 pick), clarkson (1st all rookie team), 27 and 34 might get a mid to late teens pick makes absolutely no sense at all. that is a huge overpayment for a middle first rounder that has played zero minutes in the nba (and someone who has over a dozen players picked ahead of him too).

Have to agree with this too. Your reasoning is Randle has not proven anything. The middle teens pick has proven less. Randle at least was one of the best college players of his batch. But due to injury, I can concede that Randle for a middle teens pick may be (I personally wouldn't find it so) acceptable.

But adding Clarkson, who has proven something and is 1st team rookie team is crazy. Yes not elite but he has proven that he should have been worthy of being a first rounder. Adding the 27th and 34th even more insane. The Lakers would be out of their minds to do it and any GM in the league would agree to that deal it in a split second.

Again, reasoning is Randle is unproven, 27th is unproven, 34th is unproven but Clarkson is somewhat proven. Mid teens pick definitely not proven. So a good day for us is to trade a 7th pick though unproven, 2 more unproven and 1 all rookie team member for 1 unproven non-lottery pick? Sorry but this boggles the mind.

Again, I Love Clarkson! I can't wait to see what he becomes. (As I've said before in other threads, I'd love to get Russell and have our own Splash Bros.) All I'm talking about is perception. Not mine, not yours but those of REAL NBA execs. How is Clarkson perceived? How is Randle perceived? Because perception is All; reality is insignificant by comparison. I simply don't believe they are viewed nearly as highly as we view them - well, in my case, as I view Clarkson. I am reserving all judgement on Randle because of all that he's studied and worked on mentally with Kobe since the injury.

Frankly, I hope you're right and I'm just trying too hard to not be a homer! If so, and we could use them and the 27 & 34 to get a big and a lottery guard or sf I'd be happy with that going into free agency.

i think i can confidently say, though, that 100% of gm's perceptions (along with most realgm posters) would say that randle, clarkson, 27 and 34 for a mid round first rounder is waaaayy too much to give up. that is the crux of the argument against you right now.

if you had presented something more reasonable (like maybe clarkson and one of the picks instead), then maybe you wouldn't have had much push back.

personally, i think clarkson and 27 would be a slight overpayment, but at least that combo can be debated.

[Laker_Kid]

Please stop embarrassing yourself. you have no idea what NBA execs are thinking. step away from the keyboard.

clarkson and russell =/= splash brothers.

Isn't it amazing how internet anonymity makes for rudeness.

I did not say I knew how anyone was thinking, "kid". I submit that it is you who are the embarassment - to your parents. Possibly to humanity....

isnt amazing how internet anonymity makes for dumb posts?

to miniscule randle clarkson 27 and 34 for only a mid or late pick in the teens is pretty rude. blasphemous even. im sure glad you dont work for the Lakers' front office.

i feel embarrassed for you, really. please stop.

[dipstick]

this is exactly what i was thinking. everyone in this year's draft is picked based on their potential (they've proven absolutely nothing, just like randle).

so saying randle (#7 pick), clarkson (1st all rookie team), 27 and 34 might get a mid to late teens pick makes absolutely no sense at all. that is a huge overpayment for a middle first rounder that has played zero minutes in the nba (and someone who has over a dozen players picked ahead of him too).

Have to agree with this too. Your reasoning is Randle has not proven anything. The middle teens pick has proven less. Randle at least was one of the best college players of his batch. But due to injury, I can concede that Randle for a middle teens pick may be (I personally wouldn't find it so) acceptable.

But adding Clarkson, who has proven something and is 1st team rookie team is crazy. Yes not elite but he has proven that he should have been worthy of being a first rounder. Adding the 27th and 34th even more insane. The Lakers would be out of their minds to do it and any GM in the league would agree to that deal it in a split second.

Again, reasoning is Randle is unproven, 27th is unproven, 34th is unproven but Clarkson is somewhat proven. Mid teens pick definitely not proven. So a good day for us is to trade a 7th pick though unproven, 2 more unproven and 1 all rookie team member for 1 unproven non-lottery pick? Sorry but this boggles the mind.

Again, I Love Clarkson! I can't wait to see what he becomes. (As I've said before in other threads, I'd love to get Russell and have our own Splash Bros.) All I'm talking about is perception. Not mine, not yours but those of REAL NBA execs. How is Clarkson perceived? How is Randle perceived? Because perception is All; reality is insignificant by comparison. I simply don't believe they are viewed nearly as highly as we view them - well, in my case, as I view Clarkson. I am reserving all judgement on Randle because of all that he's studied and worked on mentally with Kobe since the injury.

Frankly, I hope you're right and I'm just trying too hard to not be a homer! If so, and we could use them and the 27 & 34 to get a big and a lottery guard or sf I'd be happy with that going into free agency.

I think i know where you are coming from. But I am not in total agreement with what you want done.

I may agree that the 4 picks would not get a lottery pick. I'd agree with you with top 5 maybe even up to 8. However, even if they do agree, I would not necessarily do it. It's like doing something just for the sake of doing something. We'd be giving up 4 players for 1 who may still end up as a bust.

Randle is a legit top 10 talent. Comparable to any of this year's draft. Yes he dropped some value after the injury. Clarkson still has a lot to prove and i dont dispute that.

Yes value of our 2 players may not be as high as we want especially in the point of view of opposing gms but our FO knows their value. But why would we trade 2 undervalued assets for something unknown?

I think the excitement of picking 2nd has gotten to us that we already have favorites, from watching highlights, that we won't get with the 2nd pick. Anyway, giving those up is debatable for a top 8 pick and depends who that would be. But mid teens is just forcing it and giving up too much.

[LApwnd]

how bout this
#2, #27, Young to Den
Lawson to Sac
#6,7, either Landry or Chandler to us

now 6th might or might not still have Porzingis there but if he is great, take him now with Mario. Your potential future stretch 4 and future SF in tow.

[loveshaq786]

Trade okafor, s&t lin, swaggy for 7 and lawson. They finally get a big with massive potential and a serviceable pg

Trade 7 and s&t hill for 4 from ny. They get possibly Winslow or Mario and serviceable big

Trade Lawson, 27th, 34th, for #3. Sixers get a solid pg that is vet to help the youngsters


..... so we end up with #3 and #4?

[laduane1]

Warned for being useless

-Slava

[loveshaq786]

Trade okafor, s&t lin, swaggy for 7 and lawson. They finally get a big with massive potential and a serviceable pg

Trade 7 and s&t hill for 4 from ny. They get possibly Winslow or Mario and serviceable big

Trade Lawson, 27th, 34th, for #3. Sixers get a solid pg that is vet to help the youngsters


..... so we end up with #3 and #4?

[LApwnd]

Trade okafor, s&t lin, swaggy for 7 and lawson. They finally get a big with massive potential and a serviceable pg

Trade 7 and s&t hill for 4 from ny. They get possibly Winslow or Mario and serviceable big

Trade Lawson, 27th, 34th, for #3. Sixers get a solid pg that is vet to help the youngsters


..... so we end up with #3 and #4?

sure if you can get it done

[Mirjalovic]

i hope the outsiders don't read this thread.

multiple massive fails in one page

[oneseven]

Noooo Lawson. He's past his best days and still owed 25 mil over the next two years. Just let Clarkson develop this year. If he's not destined to be a Pg he can slide over to Sg when Kobe goes.

[RJM]

What is this foolishness I'm hearing about potentially drafting Porzingis? DON'T YOU DARE.

[Kangaroohop]

I wonder wether they're planning on buying another pick..


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[Laker_Kid]

I wonder wether they're planning on buying another pick..


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doubt it. mitch was on record saying he doesnt want too many rookies on the team.

[dockingsched]

Mods , Can this be the #27 and #34 pick thread while the other one remains the #2 pick thread? Getting hard keeping up with number 2 pick talk in both of these threads! I

[Danny Darko]

DS- what are you asking for? or was something already merged I missed?

[Danny Darko]

FYI to all the people saying the 76'ers would let a big slide if we trade down- Embiid is broken yet again