2015 NBA Finals - [1] Warriors vs [2] Cavaliers

[GQ Hot Dog]

You guys don't have anyone to guard love.

Wait, what? You don't think Barnes and Dray would shut him down? Both those guys are great perimeter defenders and tough enough to deal with him inside and on the glass.

Love could hurt Barnes and Greem on the inside but more importantly Love opens the lane for Kyrie and LeBron. He takes Green outside and forces him to play on the perimeter. Who protects the paint when that happens? It's tough because there is no duo in the NBA better at taking it to the hoop than Kyrie and LeBron.

So that means you think Love would play as the center and take Green outside? I don't know about that. I think Love could only play alongside another big because he doesn't provide any rim protection. This is all speculation but I'm not sure Love has a role if the Cavs are forced to go small-ball.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Stephen A isn't making any sense. Why would Blatt play Mozgov when they were playing well 85% of the game?

All the role players disappeared in the 4th quarter. Thats not his fault.

[Hodges4Three]

Well yeah but Curry lost his nerve and played terribly in most/all of their losses.
Had Curry simply played close to his normalish level they probably would have ended the series by now.

People also don't take into account the reason Cavs won those 2 games is by playing high level shut-down defense. That likely wouldn't have been possible with Kyrie and Love starting. Dellavedova was key in making Curry look bad in those games, Kyrie is not capable of playing that kind of D on Steph. Delly is just too gassed now to continue at that level.

WhaT lock down defense? Lol ...Delly has been a media created story ...dude has got cooked in every game except game 2 ...period

Excluding game 2 and game 1 (where kyrie played) Steph has put this line up against the "great Delly"

52% shooting ....29 points 5rebs 5asst



WHAT LOCKDOWN DEFENSE IS BEING PLAYED?

people have got to stop with the narratives ... Delly has been touched ...humiliated and humbled ..yet we still have individuals who believe that they're is "lock down defense being played"


Really?

Listen if Kyrie was here the Warriors get smoked ...period ...they don't even need Kevin ..if they simply had a second scorer this thing is over ....

And what is Delly "gassed" about? He's doing absolutely nothing on offense he's not making his man work at all he's basically a liability on offense all he's asked to do is play on one side of the ball and the excuse is "he's gassed" .....the guy wasn't even a starter or playing heavy minutes thru the year he has no right no claim being "gassed" ....stop it

Yeah, he's not gassed, which is why he started cramping late in game 3, and even worse in game 4. The guy was sticking to Steph like glue on defense all game going through multiple screens. If you don't think playing that level of defense will wear a player out, especially one not used to playing so many minutes, youre stupid. Curry had a big 4th quarter in game 3 but much of that was not burning Delly he would feast when he sat and Shump or others were on him. He had 3 points at halftime that game. Coincidence he blows up in the 4th after Dellavedova is gassed out and even commentators were pointing out Delly wasn't able to defend how he was previously.

[GzyGee]

Two all-stars out, phantom fouls, and non-calls is what it takes for GS to win. Says a lot about a "historically great" team.

You know what, if we win a ring, we dont care. What the hell are we supposed to do, give it back? Play 4 on 5?

Haters gonna hate.

TBH if u guys win a ring not a lot of people will care outside of GS fans.

Its the sad truth.

Yeah its not GS fault that the cavs best players are injured.

Its the fact that 3 of the best players on the cavs are injured and they managed to win two games with LBJ vs GS.

So a lot of people think that a healthy cavs squad would have rolled the warriors.

A Gs victory is what we all expected. So don't expect a lot of people to care.

You seem to care a lot. A champ is a champ.

[AustinPowers]

Pea brain logic bruh

Whether its pea brain logic or not, thats the way people are going to look at it. It makes people think he can't step up when it matters the most.

That's not true, people are able to look at an entire body of work and appreciate a guy for what he did on the court in his own right, not reflexively have to compare him to others.

If a moron thinks Lebron is losing "legacy points" in this series, they definitely are not able to read the pulse of America (or the world).


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[olive_triangurl]

For all of LeBron's great stats, the stat that cost Cleveland the game was his 15-34 shooting.
If you are going to dominate the offense, better hit your shots.
Jordan's 41ppg in the 1993 Finals came on .508fg and .400treys.

Great. Awesome. Why don't you tell us which team Jordan faced and their defensive rating? Or which players guarded Jordan?

Oh Barkely's Suns rated at ninth I believe, and Kevin ******* Johnson.

Please. If this series is telling us anything it's that LeBron is not that far away from Jordan. Jordan is the better player, but the gap isn't as big as some of you clowns are thinking it is.

You are right, Jordan's 41ppg is not what makes him better than LeBron.
6 of 6 versus probably 2 of 6.
As John Paxson said, "we knew if we got to the FInals Michael would figure out a way to win it".
And the Bulls did not have home-court advantage in the 93 and 98 Finals.

[NCHeels2008]

05,06,07 and for as "loaded" as Kobe's second round of titles team was, what the hell happened to Bynum and Odom.

Kobe was injured in 2005. That wasn't gonna be his year regardless of his cast.

Odom was a great player long before he joined Kobe. He was very, very talented.
Bynum had his moments in the 2010 playoffs and then had a nice year or two after that before his body broke down.

I would also add that Bynum was hurt most of those playoff runs yet Kobe still got 2 rings and 3 finals' appearances

Gasol in 2010 was better then 2002 Kobe, 2012 Wade and many other excellent supporting stars.
Kobe had one of the best casts in the league from 08-10. There is no denying that.

For players so highly touted it's amazing how they fell apart without Kobe.

Yeah but Odom was a very good player before he joined Kobe and Bynum fell apart due to injury.
I don't love that argument.

he had a very good season, Odom had an inconsistent career up until he joined the Lakers and fell apart when he left

Kobe doesn't get enough credit for those two titles.

I think he gets enough credit.
Many people downplay how good Gasol & Odom were.
Gasol especially is a guy many people love to write off as being nothing special when in reality his performance level in some of their runs was quite excellent even in an All-Time sense.
There is a reason they went from 1st round exits to Final appearances when he joined Kobe.

Lakers aren't winning without Gasol, but I will say Lakers were in 1st at the time of the Gasol trade IIRC; they probably lose in the WCF even without Gasol

[jg77]

Lol, can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading after seeing this thread post game 3.

[infinite11285]

For all of LeBron's great stats, the stat that cost Cleveland the game was his 15-34 shooting.
If you are going to dominate the offense, better hit your shots.
Jordan's 41ppg in the 1993 Finals came on .508fg and .400treys.

Great. Awesome. Why don't you tell us which team Jordan faced and their defensive rating? Or which players guarded Jordan?

Oh Barkely's Suns rated at ninth I believe, and Kevin ******* Johnson.

Please. If this series is telling us anything it's that LeBron is not that far away from Jordan. Jordan is the better player, but the gap isn't as big as some of you clowns are thinking it is.

6 of 6 versus probably 2 of 6.
As John Paxson said, "we knew if we got to the FInals Michael would figure out a way to win it".
And the Bulls did not have home-court advantage in the 93 and 98 Finals.

Swap LeBron for Jordan and the Cavs still lose, and I watched Jordan his entire career.

LeBron isn't the reason the Cavs are losing. Lets be serious here. There's also absolutely no reason to insert Jordan into this argument.

[DowJones]

Wait, what? You don't think Barnes and Dray would shut him down? Both those guys are great perimeter defenders and tough enough to deal with him inside and on the glass.

Love could hurt Barnes and Greem on the inside but more importantly Love opens the lane for Kyrie and LeBron. He takes Green outside and forces him to play on the perimeter. Who protects the paint when that happens? It's tough because there is no duo in the NBA better at taking it to the hoop than Kyrie and LeBron.

At the same time if that happens Bogut is likely far more effective than he's been this series.

He's been stifled because there are 2 huge bodies in the paint in Thompson + Mozgov and Green in undersized. With Love out of the paint and no Thompson Bogut becomes far more effective at rim protection like he's been during the season.

Ok...then Bogut is back in the game. You want to go to Bogut? Cleveland says go right ahead.

The dea that Kevin Love is a negative is laughable. I mean at least Love gives us offense to rest LeBron and these constant 4th quarter collapses don't happen.

[GQ Hot Dog]

I feel so bad for Blatt, the media is doing him like a punk and he's keeping his composure. Got nothing but respect for that guy.

What are they asking him?

Just the Mozgov questions and then demanding that Blatt say whether he's going to go small again or play Mozgov. A half hour after the game ends and Blatt's gotta reveal his plan for the next game. It's just a pile-on.

[The High Cyde]

For all of LeBron's great stats, the stat that cost Cleveland the game was his 15-34 shooting.
If you are going to dominate the offense, better hit your shots.
Jordan's 41ppg in the 1993 Finals came on .508fg and .400treys.

Great. Awesome. Why don't you tell us which team Jordan faced and their defensive rating? Or which players guarded Jordan?

Oh Barkely's Suns rated at ninth I believe, and Kevin ******* Johnson.

Please. If this series is telling us anything it's that LeBron is not that far away from Jordan. Jordan is the better player, but the gap isn't as big as some of you clowns are thinking it is.

6 of 6 versus probably 2 of 6.
As John Paxson said, "we knew if we got to the FInals Michael would figure out a way to win it".
And the Bulls did not have home-court advantage in the 93 and 98 Finals.

Thanks for not answering the question, troll.
Mods have got to clean this place up.

[AustinPowers]

What's your point? People won't care because we don't have Curry only fans rampaging on the board, like with LeBron and other players. It means a lot to Warrior fans if we win and that's what matters.

If my Suns were in the finals...LOL....But if we were, and 3 of the other teams best players were injured....I wouldn't feel to good about winning.

I would be happy that we finally won a championship... But it would be so hollow. almost a sad/happy.

Like yeah...we won....but we didn't earn it....

Complete BS.

But Ill give you a pass because you havent been close enough to actually really consider it.

Yeah, I'm sure the parade and championship gear and bay area pride will definitely be tarnished (IF THEY WIN). Actually, no it won't.


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[Hodges4Three]

Love could hurt Barnes and Greem on the inside but more importantly Love opens the lane for Kyrie and LeBron. He takes Green outside and forces him to play on the perimeter. Who protects the paint when that happens? It's tough because there is no duo in the NBA better at taking it to the hoop than Kyrie and LeBron.

At the same time if that happens Bogut is likely far more effective than he's been this series.

He's been stifled because there are 2 huge bodies in the paint in Thompson + Mozgov and Green in undersized. With Love out of the paint and no Thompson Bogut becomes far more effective at rim protection like he's been during the season.

Ok...then Bogut is back in the game. You want to go to Bogut? Cleveland says go right ahead.

The dea that Kevin Love is a negative is laughable. I mean at least Love gives us offense to rest LeBron and these constant 4th quarter collapses don't happen.

Not that he's a negative, but it changes the dynamics of the matchup completely, meaning you can't simply claim he'd easily give the Cavs the edge. He might boost the Cavs offensively but on the flipside Love might be a better matchup for GS to guard or go against on offense.

[RayBan-Sematra]

he had a very good season, Odom had an inconsistent career up until he joined the Lakers and fell apart when he left

Why do you think that?
Odom was a 16/8/5 player over the 5 years prior to joining LAL.
He also made the playoffs and won a playoff series the year before he joined LAL as his teams best player.

He was a very good player and had a huge amount of talent.

Lakers aren't winning without Gasol, but I will say Lakers were in 1st at the time of the Gasol trade IIRC; they probably lose in the WCF even without Gasol

Yeah because Bynum was healthy and playing at a very high level.
With Bynum injured I don't think they get out of the 1st round w/o Gasol.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Doesn't make any sense to tarnish GS's trophy. Lets be real.

This Cavs team was still way better than any team in the East even without Love and Irving. They still beat all of them best teams in the league.

[olive_triangurl]

Great. Awesome. Why don't you tell us which team Jordan faced and their defensive rating? Or which players guarded Jordan?

Oh Barkely's Suns rated at ninth I believe, and Kevin ******* Johnson.

Please. If this series is telling us anything it's that LeBron is not that far away from Jordan. Jordan is the better player, but the gap isn't as big as some of you clowns are thinking it is.

6 of 6 versus probably 2 of 6.
As John Paxson said, "we knew if we got to the FInals Michael would figure out a way to win it".
And the Bulls did not have home-court advantage in the 93 and 98 Finals.

Swap LeBron for Jordan and the Cavs still lose, and I watched Jordan his entire career.

LeBron isn't the reason the Cavs are losing. Lets be serious here.

LeBron has not been clutch in this series, and that is why everyone would want Jordan on their team instead of LeBron.

[tbdog]

Although all these injuries and stuff happened, you can't really take away from the fact that the Warriors won the championship (that is if they close it out). They played hard all season and in the playoffs. Steph Curry was amazing today and was throughout the playoffs with the exception of a few games. It may not be as amazing as beating a fully healthy Cavs team, but you have to give them props, they are one win from winning the championship and they worked hard for it.

The entire west playoff teams including Thunder had major players injured. The entire West! The three contenders in the East, all injured. I have never seen a season like it.

Paul hamstring
Conley broken
Allen injured
Aldridge injured
Wes Matthews surgery
Splitter/Parker calf
Holiday/Evans injured
Howard Knee
Beverly out
P Gasol calf
Noah broken
Love surgery
Irving broken knee cap
Korver surgery
Mislap shoulder
Wall hand
Durant out. Westbrook and Ibaka injured

[BKing10]

I feel so bad for Blatt, the media is doing him like a punk and he's keeping his composure. Got nothing but respect for that guy.

What are they asking him?

Just the Mozgov questions and then demanding that Blatt say whether he's going to go small again or play Mozgov. A half hour after the game ends and Blatt's gotta reveal his plan for the next game. It's just a pile-on.

Some guy straight up asked him if it was a personal reason for him not playing Marion any minutes. No basis for it

[DowJones]

Wait, what? You don't think Barnes and Dray would shut him down? Both those guys are great perimeter defenders and tough enough to deal with him inside and on the glass.

Love could hurt Barnes and Greem on the inside but more importantly Love opens the lane for Kyrie and LeBron. He takes Green outside and forces him to play on the perimeter. Who protects the paint when that happens? It's tough because there is no duo in the NBA better at taking it to the hoop than Kyrie and LeBron.

So that means you think Love would play as the center and take Green outside? I don't know about that. I think Love could only play alongside another big because he doesn't provide any rim protection. This is all speculation but I'm not sure Love has a role if the Cavs are forced to go small-ball.

Tristan Thompson doesn't provide much in the way rim protection. He was fairly bad at that this year.

Again, Golden State fans saying Love gives Cleveland nothing is delusional. It really is. He is an elite basketball player...1 of the 20 best in the NBA. Even as a 3rd option on a new team he gave us 17 and 10. His offensive ability wouldn't allow James more time to rest? It wouldn't allow the offense to run smoother? Come on man....