Did Dellavedova intentionally arm hook and drag Green to the floor?

[HoopsterJones]

On one hand I want to root for a guy like Delly. He has half the talent but twice the heart of any role player in the NBA. On the other hand he does play a little too reckless (dirty) which dissuades me from rooting for him at all.

This is so ridiculous. People act like the league is full to the brim of talented guys who don't give a crap and Delly is the shining beacon of hustle. Shaun Livingston's knee exploded and he was able to fight back through a long recovery to be a key bench cog for the Warriors, does he not have heart? Draymond Green was a tweener 2nd round pick whose improved to the point of being the new prototype PF, does he not have heart? The league is full of guys who've overcome immense odds to make it there, the guys who don't have heart never get there or wash out quickly, yet because Delly sucks and one team fell in love with him he's supposedly got twice the heart of the entire league.

My statement isnt an indictment of every player in the league. Any player who recovers from a severe injury to play at a high level or develop their game to be a quality player is to be commended.

Delly isn't as talented as the average player. He isn't half as talented as Livingston or Green. His effort makes up for his lack of ability. Jimmy Butler is another prime example of a guy who wasn't supposed to make it work, who works his tail off and continues to exceed expectations each year.

Instead of making clutch plays and celebrating or complaining to refs, Delly immediately bodies up his man on defense which is commendable. And I say this as someone who isn't a fan of Delly. I dislike his dirty play.

[LesGrossman]

Imagine if Green's shoulder dislocated

Yep. Exact same type of dirty play that ended Love's playoff run, and largely damaged the Cav's hopes. But when Delavedova does it, it's OK, apparently. Notice that Delavedova also jumped a bit sideways into Green's legs. It's not all just hustle and tough play. It's dirty play.

As i said a few times, some cavs bandwagoners - or should i call them lebron bandwagoners i am sure half of these guys were Miami fans last year - would literally argue in his favor if he shot curry down in a dark alley after that game. But Karma comes back at you my friends and whoever justifies this play, can instantly stop to whine about bad luck.

[Ganji]

I like really want to see Delly get hurt bad. NBA has no place for scumbags like him.

[clyde21]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt after Taj Gibson. I gave him the benefit of the doubt after Kyle Korver and Al Horford. I even gave him the benefit of the doubt after he went straight at Draymond's knees in G4.

But I'm not doing that anymore. Dude is CLEARLY looking for opportunities to hurt players. Absolutely disgusting.

[sogood]

Dove at Green's knees also.

[rcfc1]

I like really want to see Delly get hurt bad. NBA has no place for scumbags like him.

I don't want to see anyone get hurt, which is exactly why I don't like him. That element of his play has no place in the game. Hustle is fine. I love hustle. That's about all I bring to the table when I play. I appreciate a good hustle player quite a bit. I don't appreciate when he tries to hurt people. I don't even like it when Bogut intentionally tries to get people to pick up T's. And he's my favorite player on the Warriors. What I love about him is the hustle, the intelligence, the positioning, the defense, etc.

It's not about Dellavadova other than his dirty plays. His hustle and grit can stay.

[gustofwind]

This is actually far worse than what Olynyk did. Olynyk was atleast staying on his feets while dragging Love away.

I profoundly disagree. Nothing beats Olynyk. Take a second look at both videos and consider the results of each action. Olynyk's action was violent by nature, while Dellavedova doesn't put much pressure on Green's body.

But, of course, you're entitled to your opinion.

[heatwillbeback]

He plays hard and people have excused questionable things in the past because of that.

IMO he isn't dirty as much as he is a irritant. He does things and hope people respond in which case he will dive and try to get people ejected.

[rcfc1]

This is actually far worse than what Olynyk did. Olynyk was atleast staying on his feets while dragging Love away.

I profoundly disagree. Nothing beats Olynyk. Take a second look at both videos and consider the results of each action. Olynyk's action was violent by nature, while Dellavedova doesn't put much pressure on Green's body.

But, of course, you're entitled to your opinion.

I don't profoundly disagree back, but I do disagree. Grabbing a wrist and then rolling over on it, especially at the speed and weight these guys play at, could easily lead to a break. Olynyk's was bad, but I didn't expect it to lead to injury. I saw this and instantly thought that he could have broken Draymond's wrist if it had gone wrong.

[gustofwind]

Both Delly and Green flopped a little on that play. Delly didn't go down until he was shoved in the back. Once he was shoved, he grabbed hold of Green. Green made no attempt to free himself from the hold and took the opportunity to land on Delly's head. The play deserved a double foul. Both of these players are chippy. If it had been two other players, the refs might have let them play on.

This is the most accurate portrait of what happened. Green had his part in this.

You guys are just building a narrative around Dellavedova. He might not be completely innocent, but all the stuff he has been accused of has been pretty harmless on its own or only more dangerous when combined by inappropriate actions by another player. He obviously gets into guys heads and they respond.

I can't believe anyone is comparing this to Olynyk; the guy ripped Love's arm out of its socket and tore his tendons. Dellavedova has done nothing like that. He does seem, however, good at egging people on, which isn't good. The only thing Dellavedova has done that has actually resulted in a problem was his dive on Korver, which to me was his most accidental action of all.

Frankly, from my experience with posters on this site, people like to insinuate something about someone's intentions without evidence.

Ultimately, you judge a guy by what a guy actually does (Olynyk for instance), not what is in their soul.

[rcfc1]

Both Delly and Green flopped a little on that play. Delly didn't go down until he was shoved in the back. Once he was shoved, he grabbed hold of Green. Green made no attempt to free himself from the hold and took the opportunity to land on Delly's head. The play deserved a double foul. Both of these players are chippy. If it had been two other players, the refs might have let them play on.

This is the most accurate portrait of what happened. Green had his part in this.

You guys are just building a narrative around Dellavedova. He might not be completely innocent, but all the stuff he has been accused of has been pretty harmless on its own or only more dangerous when combined by inappropriate actions by another player. He obviously gets into guys heads and they respond.

I can't believe anyone is comparing this to Olynyk; the guy ripped Love's arm out of its socket and tore his tendons. Dellavedova has done nothing like that. He does seem, however, good at egging people on, which isn't good. The only thing Dellavedova has done that has actually resulted in a problem was his dive on Korver, which to me was his most accident action of all.

Frankly, from my experience with posters on this site, people like to insinuate something about someone's intentions without evidence.

Ultimately, you judge a guy by what a guy actually does (Olynyk for instance), not what is in their soul.

I'm sorry, but people are judging Dellavadova by what he does. The Gibson leg trap, the multiple dives at people's knees, and then this. It's not isolated incidents. It is incident after incident after incident where he does something shady. And people have been hurt by him, too. It's only a matter of time before he injures someone again.

[Nate505]

Of course he did. Proving that the only outrage is the result of the action, not the action itself.

[Nate505]

This is nothing, and these two have been going at it the whole series. Like the supposed "Delly went for Draymond's knees" junk that came out from a recent game.

What I LOVE about Delly is that he won't back down from anyone. In other words, you try to cheap shot him and you're going to pay the price. No questions asked. Draymond tried to hard screen him the other game, Delly retaliates. Draymond tries to shove down Delly with an arm in the back, Delly's going to take Draymond with him.

If you don't want none, don't ask for none. You ask for some, you're getting some.

That's old school. Delly can be on my team anytime.

I'm fine with all that.

Just spare me the whining (not you specifically, just in general) when some guy gets really hurt due to it even though the intention was not to really hurt him.

[DarthDiggler69]

Yes he did, unless you are blind.

If you don't believe watch Delly's move on Taj Gibson, Kyle Korver and Al Horford

[Shock Defeat]

Dove at Green's knees also.

This is arguably his most blatant offense this postseason. There was nothing accidental about this. wtf

[gustofwind]

Both Delly and Green flopped a little on that play. Delly didn't go down until he was shoved in the back. Once he was shoved, he grabbed hold of Green. Green made no attempt to free himself from the hold and took the opportunity to land on Delly's head. The play deserved a double foul. Both of these players are chippy. If it had been two other players, the refs might have let them play on.

This is the most accurate portrait of what happened. Green had his part in this.

You guys are just building a narrative around Dellavedova. He might not be completely innocent, but all the stuff he has been accused of has been pretty harmless on its own or only more dangerous when combined by inappropriate actions by another player. He obviously gets into guys heads and they respond.

I can't believe anyone is comparing this to Olynyk; the guy ripped Love's arm out of its socket and tore his tendons. Dellavedova has done nothing like that. He does seem, however, good at egging people on, which isn't good. The only thing Dellavedova has done that has actually resulted in a problem was his dive on Korver, which to me was his most accident action of all.

Frankly, from my experience with posters on this site, people like to insinuate something about someone's intentions without evidence.

Ultimately, you judge a guy by what a guy actually does (Olynyk for instance), not what is in their soul.

I'm sorry, but people are judging Dellavadova by what he does. The Gibson leg trap, the multiple dives at people's knees, and then this. It's not isolated incidents. It is incident after incident after incident where he does something shady. And people have been hurt by him, too. It's only a matter of time before he injures someone again.

The only incident that counts in my book is Korver. He actually got hurt. If Dellavedova injures more guys like he did to Korver, than we can talk. But even with Korver it was clearly accidental; almost no one who actually saw the video disagrees. And if Dellavedova deserves some partial blame with that (I lean strongly towards no), Love's injury was far more significant.

Anything else was a combination of his actions and another player and nothing that was actually dangerous.

In most cases it's clear he gets in a person's head and they get angry and try to hurt him out of retaliation. See Gibson, Horford. With Horford, actually I would blame that 100% on Horford.

If you want to build a case against someone's soul then you guys are on your own. I go by actual evidence and actual consequences of someone's actions.

[gustofwind]

This is nothing, and these two have been going at it the whole series. Like the supposed "Delly went for Draymond's knees" junk that came out from a recent game.

What I LOVE about Delly is that he won't back down from anyone. In other words, you try to cheap shot him and you're going to pay the price. No questions asked. Draymond tried to hard screen him the other game, Delly retaliates. Draymond tries to shove down Delly with an arm in the back, Delly's going to take Draymond with him.

If you don't want none, don't ask for none. You ask for some, you're getting some.

That's old school. Delly can be on my team anytime.

One of the most sensible posters on this forum right here. Another example of his good reasoning.

[clyde21]

Yes he did, unless you are blind.

If you don't believe watch Delly's move on Taj Gibson, Kyle Korver and Al Horford

Or a Cavs fan, apparently.

I find it hilarious that Cavs fans were livid after the Olynik-Love fiasco and yet they continue to defend this rat.

[Pharmcat]

Dove at Green's knees also.

dirty play, wow

[HotRocks34]

This is nothing, and these two have been going at it the whole series. Like the supposed "Delly went for Draymond's knees" junk that came out from a recent game.

What I LOVE about Delly is that he won't back down from anyone. In other words, you try to cheap shot him and you're going to pay the price. No questions asked. Draymond tried to hard screen him the other game, Delly retaliates. Draymond tries to shove down Delly with an arm in the back, Delly's going to take Draymond with him.

If you don't want none, don't ask for none. You ask for some, you're getting some.

That's old school. Delly can be on my team anytime.

I'm fine with all that.

Just spare me the whining (not you specifically, just in general) when some guy gets really hurt due to it even though the intention was not to really hurt him.

No whining here.

To me it's simple: If guys don't cheap shot Dellavedova, they don't get cheap shotted back. Green has been trying to mess with him all series and he clearly shoved him in the back on that play.

The play with Korver, Korver went half-speed diving for the ball. That's not Dellavedova's fault.

What happened with Green on that play is the same thing that was happening to Taj Gibson: Dellavedova boxing out a big who gets upset and they try to toss Dellavedova out of the way.

Dellavedova is a guy who will "finish" an encounter if someone else starts it. I like that. And if the other person doesn't want an issue, then don't start it. No shove in the back, no grab of the arm.