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#27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion

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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#801 » by dockingsched » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:43 pm

Danny Darko wrote:DS- what are you asking for? or was something already merged I missed?

I guess just removing the #2 pick part from the title here. The conversations for that pick compared to the 27/34 talk is almost totally unrelated so makes for a very disjointed conversation within this thread. throw in that the #2 pick kinda already has its own separate thread. Just an idea.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#802 » by dipstick » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:59 am

Latest mock from nbadraft.net has Justin Anderson dropping to us. Are other prospects legitimately rising? Great news for me.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#803 » by Karmaloop » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:24 am

dipstick wrote:Latest mock from nbadraft.net has Justin Anderson dropping to us. Are other prospects legitimately rising? Great news for me.


I think it has more to do with the fact that prospects in that 15-45 range are pretty much interchangeable. If I had to put them in tiers.

(in no particular order)
Tier 1: Franchise Players (Okafor, Towns, Russell, Mudiay)
Tier 2: Upper Echelon Starters (Porzingis, WCS, Hezonjia, Winslow)
Tier 3: Decent Starters (Johnson, Kaminsky, Lyles, Turner, Booker)

Obviously, that represents their upsides but the difference between 23 and 33 probably isn't huge this year, so I don't think the Lakers are going to be moving up unless someone is considerably higher on their board.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#804 » by LApwnd » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:05 am

Karmaloop wrote:
dipstick wrote:Latest mock from nbadraft.net has Justin Anderson dropping to us. Are other prospects legitimately rising? Great news for me.


I think it has more to do with the fact that prospects in that 15-45 range are pretty much interchangeable. If I had to put them in tiers.

(in no particular order)
Tier 1: Franchise Players (Okafor, Towns, Russell, Mudiay)
Tier 2: Upper Echelon Starters (Porzingis, WCS, Hezonjia, Winslow)
Tier 3: Decent Starters (Johnson, Kaminsky, Lyles, Turner, Booker)

Obviously, that represents their upsides but the difference between 23 and 33 probably isn't huge this year, so I don't think the Lakers are going to be moving up unless someone is considerably higher on their board.

We should trade up if one of the teir 3 fall into lower 20s
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#805 » by Slava » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:24 pm

Since there is too much overlapping conversation, please use this thread from here on to discuss the #27 and #34 picks. All discussion regarding the #2 pick goes in the other thread here
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#806 » by DadoTheRabbet » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:49 pm

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i think i can confidently say, though, that 100% of gm's perceptions (along with most realgm posters) would say that randle, clarkson, 27 and 34 for a mid round first rounder is waaaayy too much to give up. that is the crux of the argument against you right now.

if you had presented something more reasonable (like maybe clarkson and one of the picks instead), then maybe you wouldn't have had much push back.

personally, i think clarkson and 27 would be a slight overpayment, but at least that combo can be debated.


Ok, I can go with that. Yeah, Randle, Clarkson, 27 and 34 ARE way too much to give up.

I still think people here are seriously overrating them, but, hey, it's not like this is really serious, is it? I mean, some here actually think their opinion matters.

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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#807 » by TyCobb » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:28 pm

Not really sure which thread to put this in, but self-awareness is strong with this one:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article24417898.html
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#808 » by Slava » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:33 pm

TyCobb wrote:Not really sure which thread to put this in, but self-awareness is strong with this one:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article24417898.html


He comes across really well in all his interviews. I think it was Jay Bilas that said that there's really not a single headcase amongst the top prospects this year.
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#809 » by TyCobb » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:36 pm

Slava wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Not really sure which thread to put this in, but self-awareness is strong with this one:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article24417898.html


He comes across really well in all his interviews. I think it was Jay Bilas that said that there's really not a single headcase amongst the top prospects this year.


Yup, they are all really impressive, and I'd say that Russell is the biggest ego out of them all.

“I try to show off my versatility -- passing, shooting, creating for other guys. That’s something I’ve always been good at. I didn’t do that a lot at UCLA, but I’m hoping to show it off now.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article24417898.html#storylink=cpy

This is partly why I consider him a SF much more than a PF.
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#810 » by kblo247 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:47 pm

Michael Qualls from Arkansas tore his ACL in a Suns workout, we diagnosed the injury. He's out 6-12 months now.

George Lucas de Paula aka Star Wars withdrew from the draft today after his stock hasn't risen above late first, early second round status.
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#812 » by dockingsched » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:03 am

Both DX and nbadraft.net have the lakers going with Delon Wright at 27th

According to that analytics mock order from draft express that Ty posted before they see Wright as the 10th best prospect
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#813 » by Lakers24gm » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:21 am

With this draft Id really like to come out of it with a good shooter. So I wouldn't mind Russell with the 2 pick but if we got Okafor id like to look at Tyler Harvey and Joseph Young with either pick 27 or 34. What other great shooters are there later on in the draft?
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#814 » by TyCobb » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:36 am

dockingsched wrote:Both DX and nbadraft.net have the lakers going with Delon Wright at 27th

According to that analytics mock order from draft express that Ty posted before they see Wright as the 10th best prospect


That would certainly be a steal at 27. Even with traditional scouting methods, Wright passes with flying colors. He led a modern day team in Utah who featured a 7'0 big and was surrounded with shooters. Active hands defensively, good size, true PG with good court vision...I know he gets knocked for his shooting, but he's not that bad. He arguably was the 4th best player in the NCAA last season behind Kaminsky, Okafor, and Towns.

They likely have him so low because of his 'low ceiling' given his age, but I sure as heck like what I see right now and he'd be a great pairing with Okafor if the Lakers are looking to right the ship sooner than later.
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#815 » by Sofa King » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:18 am

Slava wrote:Since there is too much overlapping conversation, please use this thread from here on to discuss the #27 and #34 picks. All discussion regarding the #2 pick goes in the other thread here


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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#816 » by Spens1 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:18 am

27th - Justin Anderson (Good 2 way player, career role player, seems like a potential 7th man)/Delon Wright (natural fit with Clarkson for the P.G)
34th Cliff Alexander (i know its a reach, but i am loving his motor and athleticism, may not be the most skilful player, but he will give his all, i think we may get a Faried type player in the 2nd round)
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#817 » by ArC_man » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:03 pm

If we decide to keep both picks, I'm hoping for Delon Wright with the #27 and Anthony Brown with the #34.
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#818 » by Jajwanda » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:34 pm

If Joe Young were to have more of a positional fit (he were a 6-5 SG) and play the SG position, how high of a prospect would he be? The reason I ask is that you could definitely put Clarkson at the 2 defensively with Young guard 1s, while playing SG to Clarkson's PG. Young has Monta Ellis like athleticism and likes to play defense. At 27 that could be a big time addition. I think he deserves to be mentioned alongside the Anderson and Wrights of the world. One thing that should be mentioned is that 6-7, 215 was enough to slow LeBron in this year's Finals. Unless you want Anderson for his PF defense and small-ball, you don't necessarily need an overwhelmingly large SF in this league.

I'm curious to see, as a one-on-one basketball player how many players in this draft are in fact better than Joe Young.
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#819 » by Spens1 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:55 pm

Jajwanda wrote:If Joe Young were to have more of a positional fit (he were a 6-5 SG) and play the SG position, how high of a prospect would he be? The reason I ask is that you could definitely put Clarkson at the 2 defensively with Young guard 1s, while playing SG to Clarkson's PG. Young has Monta Ellis like athleticism and likes to play defense. At 27 that could be a big time addition. I think he deserves to be mentioned alongside the Anderson and Wrights of the world. One thing that should be mentioned is that 6-7, 215 was enough to slow LeBron in this year's Finals. Unless you want Anderson for his PF defense and small-ball, you don't necessarily need an overwhelmingly large SF in this league.

I'm curious to see, as a one-on-one basketball player how many players in this draft are in fact better than Joe Young.

mind you that was andre igoudala who is a premier defender
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Re: #27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion 

Post#820 » by Jajwanda » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:38 pm

Absolutely, but the point I'm making is that Jimmy Butler, Igoudala, and even Kobe in his youth were arguably better defenders against these big SFs than the big guys. The versatility of the Artests etc... was that they could guard PFs. My point is that if you go for a Justin Anderson you're basically telling the other team my SF is either going to shoot or slash in a straight-line. Now on the other hand if you have a playmaker out there you're far more dangerous on offense and will make a guy like LeBron/Durant work that much harder.

The best way to get a steal in the draft is to find a guy that's going to be discounted by other teams for one reason or another, but somehow you can make up for his downsides. Wright is a good PG prospect, Anderson a good 3 and D prospect, while Young is a very good-excellent scorer. It just so happens the Lakers have Clarkson who can guard SGs for him and be his PG.

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