Embiid Updates/Discussion

[M3]

I don't think there's a big difference between re-breaking the bone and not healing properly....good chance both will require surgery....hopefully not, but....

There is a huge difference between the two.

A re-break or collapse of a navicular stress fracture is a rare occurrence and absolutely would be the end of Embiids career.

Second it was never stated that it wasn't healing properly (which would be a mal-alignment issue, again career ending ) but it was slow to heal.
The navicular in the foot just like the wrist has a poor blood supply and is slow to heal. The fact he isn't having the pain that typically limits players in their return from stress fracture injuries is good. He is not out of woods if that bone never tacts down or shows more signs of becoming sticky he will never play or only last a half season as an NBA player. If Embiid is cleared to play by Dec. he has a good chance of having a career and getting past this injury. If he isn't cleared by then he is likely looking at surgery and a premature retirement.

[crow]

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I've yet to see anything that could be the reason behind this sudden panic. Bill Self talked to Embiid just last week, and he sais all Embiid is doing is 'slowing it down'. I think we'll be fine.

[ZarcMumoff]

Can we build around Russel? Could Noel&Saric work? To be honest, Embiid or not, we have a hell of a future. Embiid was kind of just the cherry on top lol

Embiid was/is the guy you build around.

While that's true, we don't know if No. 3 pick is the guy we build around. Or the Sixers 2016 1st round pick. Or the Lakers 2016 1st round pick.

"Optionality, my friend."

[Stanford]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150616_The_risk_and_reward_of_drafting_Joel_Embiid.html

Bob Ford with some shockingly level headed analysis about the "picking embiid was a mistake" hot takes going around.

It's fairly funny that there are people (especially these media members with no medical background) who think they had a better sense of the odds of recovery from this injury than the Sixers themselves.

Still, the comments are predictably hot takey.

[Sixercise]

Serious question for the board: has anybody here fractured their foot besides me?

[Ericb5]

Serious question for the board: has anybody here fractured their foot besides me?

There are a lot of different ways to fracture a foot so you might want to be more specific.

When I was in high school I fractured a small bone in my left heal in a lacrosse game. I wore a cast for 3 weeks and then was out an additional 3 weeks.

It was pretty minor as things like this go, but I'm 40 now and if I prop my feet up on something like a desk and put pressure on that heal, it STILL hurts.


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[TigerInYourTank]

It's fairly funny that there are people (especially these media members with no medical background) who think they had a better sense of the odds of recovery from this injury than the Sixers themselves.

There have been doctor's interviewed, but they aren't Embiid's, are they? When Embiid had the surgery, everything was damn-near open-source: the X-rays, the consent of Embiid for the doctor to talk publicly, the talk about a clean-break with short healing time-frame, etc. Now, it's a **** black hole with only one Woj ray of light just barely getting out. The rest is lawyerly-speak from the team and couched quotes.

I hope the Philly media continue to speculate out their asses until we get something real to chew on.

[DavidHume]

Serious question for the board: has anybody here fractured their foot besides me?

Had a clean break of my fifth metatarsal about 22 months ago. Does that count? Took much longer to heal than predicted, but then I'm pushing 60, so take that with a grain of salt. Also, I haven't been athletically active for some time, so again, not particularly relevant.

[Sixerscan]

It's fairly funny that there are people (especially these media members with no medical background) who think they had a better sense of the odds of recovery from this injury than the Sixers themselves.

There have been doctor's interviewed, but they aren't Embiid's, are they? When Embiid had the surgery, everything was damn-near open-source: the X-rays, the consent of Embiid for the doctor to talk publicly, the talk about a clean-break with short healing time-frame, etc. Now, it's a **** black hole with only one Woj ray of light just barely getting out. The rest is lawyerly-speak from the team and couched quotes.

I hope the Philly media continue to speculate out their asses until we get something real to chew on.

I was talking about his odds of recovery from the original injury when they drafted him, which is what that article was about.

[Sixercise]

Thanks for sharing guys....just throwing the question out there because someone on this board made a claim that there really isnt a a difference between re-breaking a bone and a bone that doesn't heal properly. My response to that is unless you didn't follow doctor's orders or the doctors didnt take proper procedure to aid in the healing process, that wouldnt be true in Embiid's case, based on what we know so far.

About 8 years ago I twisted my right foot getting off a bus, resulting in my fifth metatarsal fracturing in two places (simple fractures thankfully, and it happened to be near my navicular bone). It took about 5 weeks to heal, and about 8-9 months later during my junior year at PSU, i was medically cleared to play tennis with hardly any discomfort.

Sure, we're not exactly world-class athletes here, but assuming that Embiid followed procedure with PT and doctors' visits, surgery is one of the last things i'm personally worried about concerning him. My personal take is that the SIxers staff might be babying Embiid in the same manner they babied Noel last year....

[TigerInYourTank]

Thanks for sharing guys....just throwing the question out there because someone on this board made a claim that there really isnt a a difference between re-breaking a bone and a bone that doesn't heal properly. My response to that is unless you didn't follow doctor's orders or the doctors didnt take proper procedure to aid in the healing process, that wouldnt be true in Embiid's case, based on what we know so far.

About 8 years ago I twisted my right foot getting off a bus, resulting in my fifth metatarsal fracturing in two places (simple fractures thankfully, and it happened to be near my navicular bone). It took about 5 weeks to heal, and about 8-9 months later during my junior year at PSU, i was medically cleared to play tennis with hardly any discomfort.

Sure, we're not exactly world-class athletes here, but assuming that Embiid followed procedure with PT and doctors' visits, surgery is one of the last things i'm personally worried about concerning him. My personal take is that the SIxers staff might be babying Embiid in the same manner they babied Noel last year....

My concern is that Embiid hasn't been compliant, which is the exact news I, and many other here, laughed off months ago. However, Embiid not being compliant comes with some good news: it can be fixed/adjusted/scare-tactic-ed.

[DavidHume]

Thanks for sharing guys....just throwing the question out there because someone on this board made a claim that there really isnt a a difference between re-breaking a bone and a bone that doesn't heal properly. My response to that is unless you didn't follow doctor's orders or the doctors didnt take proper procedure to aid in the healing process, that wouldnt be true in Embiid's case, based on what we know so far.

About 8 years ago I twisted my right foot getting off a bus, resulting in my fifth metatarsal fracturing in two places (simple fractures thankfully, and it happened to be near my navicular bone). It took about 5 weeks to heal, and about 8-9 months later during my junior year at PSU, i was medically cleared to play tennis with hardly any discomfort.

Sure, we're not exactly world-class athletes here, but assuming that Embiid followed procedure with PT and doctors' visits, surgery is one of the last things i'm personally worried about concerning him. My personal take is that the SIxers staff might be babying Embiid in the same manner they babied Noel last year....

My take on this is that the fact that and I broke a bone in my foot does not give me any medical expertise. Further, the only people who have medical expertise are ... well ... people with actual medical expertise. No one else's opinion matters.

[cksdayoff]

Can we build around Russel? Could Noel&Saric work? To be honest, Embiid or not, we have a hell of a future. Embiid was kind of just the cherry on top lol

Embiid was/is the guy you build around.

While that's true, we don't know if No. 3 pick is the guy we build around. Or the Sixers 2016 1st round pick. Or the Lakers 2016 1st round pick.

"Optionality, my friend."

true. hopefully the Sixers get lucky this draft and the next.

[Sixercise]

My concern is that Embiid hasn't been compliant, which is the exact news I, and many other here, laughed off months ago. However, Embiid not being compliant comes with some good news: it can be fixed/adjusted/scare-tactic-ed.

IIRC, that issue was addressed for the most part when that 300lb report came out, which seemed to have motivated Embiid to stay in shape. Whether or not Embiid has kept his end of the bargain is a question for the front office....and if he hasn't been compliant, we would've probably received additional news already concerning his motivations. The timing of this recent report of Embiid's healing process is rather odd, legit as it may be. I'm reserving further judgement until something else comes afoot (no pun intended)

[underpressure]

Not sure if this piece of news has been shares but according to Jeff Skversky, Embiid told his former college coach that he "hasn't reinjured anything."

https://twitter.com/JeffSkversky

[76ciology]

Not sure if this piece of news has been shares but according to Jeff Skversky, Embiid told his former college coach that he "hasn't reinjured anything."

https://twitter.com/JeffSkversky

Yeah, it's more of overreaction and speculation.

[TJ222]

We all know at this point that Pompey's source is either imagined or it's Billy King, right?

Wrong,it's Howard Eskin

[TorturedFan76]

Thanks for sharing guys....just throwing the question out there because someone on this board made a claim that there really isnt a a difference between re-breaking a bone and a bone that doesn't heal properly. My response to that is unless you didn't follow doctor's orders or the doctors didnt take proper procedure to aid in the healing process, that wouldnt be true in Embiid's case, based on what we know so far.

About 8 years ago I twisted my right foot getting off a bus, resulting in my fifth metatarsal fracturing in two places (simple fractures thankfully, and it happened to be near my navicular bone). It took about 5 weeks to heal, and about 8-9 months later during my junior year at PSU, i was medically cleared to play tennis with hardly any discomfort.

Sure, we're not exactly world-class athletes here, but assuming that Embiid followed procedure with PT and doctors' visits, surgery is one of the last things i'm personally worried about concerning him. My personal take is that the SIxers staff might be babying Embiid in the same manner they babied Noel last year....

Your 5th metatarsal is not near your navicular. Its as far away as it can possibly be.
The navicular is as medial as it gets, and the 5th metatarsal is as lateral as it gets.
And yes, they are babying him. Id be fine with him missing another year if they need to do that. Id prefer that he is 100% rather than take a year off but continue with recurrances like Yao, and Big Z.

[TorturedFan76]

Ill add a little tidbit here that may offer some comfort.
Todd Herremans had a navicular fracture a few years ago. He missed time, but came back and never had another foot issue (at least in the injury report). Nothing that limited him in any significant way anyway.
Now, it seems that navicular fractures affect bigs in a worse way than they would any other position on the court. While Herremans isnt 7'0'', he weighs over 300lbs so hes had the same kind of weight stressing that bone and never had any setbacks or recurrences.

So, this isnt the end of the world.

This could be that Embiid was skeletally immature and his bones were a little weak for how big he was. Once this heals he may never have another issue as he should be more skeletally mature than he was back when he had his back issue, and this foot issue.

So, Ill be as patient as I need to be. As long as he isnt coming back too early, I think he has a good shot at a long career.

[leorautins]

But Keith Pompey spoke with an undisclosed source, dudes. I'm not sure KU is even a real school. Bill Self sounds like a made-up name.

So fake. Bill self is a to-do list item for money launderers.