Detroit vs Philly : Who Wins a Title First?

[Blkbrd671]

SVG's "plan" signed a 5 year deal. It was reported that when SVG interviewed for the position, he presented them a plan to build a team and i can only assume a championship. In 1 year he's turned this roster on its head, and more according to his type of mold, acquired a core piece without giving up any longterm valued assets, and put us in financial position to continue to build the team. If any of you remember our outlook this time last year, its a freakin miracle we are at where we are and really gave up nothing.

RJ
KCP
DRE
#8 pick



Philadelphia's plan is to acquire as many high picks as possible until they get the right picks and combination of building a core. They aren't ,yet, trading for core pieces but more so trading potential core pieces for more chances to draft a sure core piece. I really don't know the timeline of their plan other than its between 5-10 years to get a title. For the purposes of this discussion we'll say its 5 years.

#3 pick
Wroten
Covington
Embid
Noel
Saric

So who wins a title First?

[joedumars1]

Not sure either will win one. I would take our situation tho, we have a plan and system in place finally, with two possible all-stars one guaranteed all-star (Dre, this yr my guess). One young player still learning KCP, hopefully he can put up 15-17ppg this year, if he somehow can put up 17 this year, that would be very impressive imo. Our 8th pick should be a very nice piece too. I really like Dinwiddie too, for sure should be a serviceable backup for his career, he has the potential to become more, not sure that would end up being with us tho.

Idk if Philly has a system or their coach of the future. Embiid, I loved him, but now he may be Oden all over. Saric? Who is that,lol. Covington, nice little piece, Noel might be able to become very good, if he can get a jumpshot, not sure he will ever get one tho. Wroten? Who? Their pick should be good, but they might go Porzingis and he might bust, or become a sweet player, lol. All the picks they have are nice, but they have to pick the rite players.

I really like our situation, we should get in the playoffs, barring injury.

[npark28]

I'd say us too. We have SVG (who I am now convinced is a genius) and a more defined core of players including Dre, who, IMO, is more of a superstar than anyone on the 76ers roster. The only piece of their roster I'd be interested in is Covington, he has a nice shooting touch and decent size to play the 2, 3 and 4 positions.

[Kilo]

Philly has four first rounders next season - theirs, LAL, as well as Miami and OKC if the latter to make the play-offs.

But to answer this, it basically comes down to the health of Embiid. If he has to miss another season I think he's likely finished as his foot is probably too problematic and that's a HUGE loss for Philly as he was their superstar. I still think they take Russell over Porzingis this year though. Saric is no joke either, in this years draft we'd take him over any current option to us on the board when we picked.

Monroe/Dumars sort of screwed us with his whole situation - if he had resigned here like he wanted, the long term deal, he'd have four years remaining @ 12M or so a year - which would be a HUGE steal given the exploding cap and he would have signed before that was known. Even if Stan came in and it was decided he wouldn't work here - he'd be a HELLUVA trade chip right now.

[princeofpalace]

I dont anticipate either team winning titles this decade. I see Philly tanking for the next 4 or 5 years and Pistons on a treadmill. I prefer our situation because winning games and making the playoffs even if losing in the first round is more exciting than being a bottom barrel team

[The Penguin]

I dont anticipate either team winning titles this decade. I see Philly tanking for the next 5 or 6 years and Pistons on a treadmill. I prefer our situation because winning games and making the playoffs even if losing in the first round is more exciting than being a bottom barrel team

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I think the Cavs are primed to rule the East for the next 5 years. I do expect Durant to come to the East next summer, either in Washington or Miami launching the main competition to the Cavs.

The Warriors don't look to be going away anytime soon, Curry/Thompson/Barnes/Green are just getting started as a core. If the Pelicans can get it rolling around Davis, they'll be pushing for a ring, the Rockets look to have a nice window, same with the Clippers and the Lakers always seem to pull a rabbit out of the hat while never staying down long.


SImply put, Philly has positioned themselves in regards to future assets much better than we have. I see our core of Drummond/Jackson/KCP topping out at the Hawks/Pacers level as a best case scenario, unless we find the next Paul George caliber player at #8 this year.

[Blkbrd671]

Philly has four first rounders next season - theirs, LAL, as well as Miami and OKC if the latter to make the play-offs.

But to answer this, it basically comes down to the health of Embiid. If he has to miss another season I think he's likely finished as his foot is probably too problematic and that's a HUGE loss for Philly as he was their superstar. I still think they take Russell over Porzingis this year though. Saric is no joke either, in this years draft we'd take him over any current option to us on the board when we picked.

I don't get how this matters in regards to a team. I do agree that Embiid being injured is a large step back and that with 3 first round picks they'll have more opportunity to draft core players. that however doesnt' mean they'll have a good team. Has minny not taught us anything about having a ton of talent and not winning?

Monroe/Dumars sort of screwed us with his whole situation - if he had resigned here like he wanted, the long term deal, he'd have four years remaining @ 12M or so a year - which would be a HUGE steal given the exploding cap and he would have signed before that was known. Even if Stan came in and it was decided he wouldn't work here - he'd be a HELLUVA trade chip right now.

Truth , i would argue we have more of a resemblence of a team than philly does at this point and we are almost a year into our rebuild. i do believe Russell could change that.

[Blkbrd671]

I dont anticipate either team winning titles this decade. I see Philly tanking for the next 4 or 5 years and Pistons on a treadmill. I prefer our situation because winning games and making the playoffs even if losing in the first round is more exciting than being a bottom barrel team

Philly fans i believe think they'll start winning this year, depending on embid..........i do anticipate us being at least in the finals in the next 5. Dre could be that good ,furthermore SVG is that good

[Pharaoh]

Say you're Philly...

Embid might as well be gone for all the help he's doing on the floor or off it.

IF they draft Russell it's the Noel and Russ show until Saric arrives

Is that better than the Noel and Dingus show long term?

They'll tank again regardless so having Dingus might be the play.

Noel, Zingus & scraps for another season, then add Saric and those 2016 first rounders.

That gives Zingus 1 season of developing before you even care about cores and structure and standards

[ImHeisenberg]

I'd wager Detroit wins one first. Philly doesn't even have a plan beyond "draft a superstar".SVG is trying to build a good team now with the parts he has.

Despite 76ers fans hailing Hinkie as some progressive thinking genius, we've yet to see any indication of his "plan" yielding any results.

[Pharaoh]

Hinkie's plan is to tank until the team no longer sucks!

He doesn't know when that will be but believes you don't make gradual improvement - you go from tank to 50 wins THEN you make gradual improvement

Good luck! By the time these kids are ready they'll have a new coach and system to work in and be so used to free balling its gonna take ages to adapt

[rmfc]

Detroit

[Snakebites]

Given the relative lack of diversity in title winners in the history of the last 30 years, I'd say the smart money, not to be totally pessimistic, is that neither team wins a title within this particular time frame. The next time one of the teams wins, it might be with none of the pieces either team has now in place.

But yes, I believe ours is a better position.

[ImHeisenberg]

Given the relative lack of diversity in title winners in the history of the last 30 years, I'd say the smart money, not to be totally pessimistic, is that neither team wins a title within this particular time frame. The next time one of the teams wins, it might be with none of the pieces either team has now in place.

But yes, I believe ours is a better position.

Unless we stumble into a superstar, the chance of winning a title in the next five years is nil.

[DBC10]

Given the relative lack of diversity in title winners in the history of the last 30 years, I'd say the smart money, not to be totally pessimistic, is that neither team wins a title within this particular time frame. The next time one of the teams wins, it might be with none of the pieces either team has now in place.

But yes, I believe ours is a better position.

Unless we stumble into a superstar, the chance of winning a title in the next five years is nil.

Basically this. Unless we have a Lebron on our roster, our title hope is just that, hope.

[bballnmike]

The question is who wins a title first, that doesn't mean we're likely to win one, but I do like our odds better than Philly's. I think we're all aware that it will be tough for either of these teams to actually win a title

[Snakebites]

Given the relative lack of diversity in title winners in the history of the last 30 years, I'd say the smart money, not to be totally pessimistic, is that neither team wins a title within this particular time frame. The next time one of the teams wins, it might be with none of the pieces either team has now in place.

But yes, I believe ours is a better position.

Unless we stumble into a superstar, the chance of winning a title in the next five years is nil.

5 years? Yeah, maybe .1% chance. I only give us that much because we were 32-50 only 3 years before winning our last title.

I might go farther than that, I think the next time the Pistons win it all, NONE of the current pieces to the puzzle will still be around. It'll be that far into the future.

[ImHeisenberg]

Given the relative lack of diversity in title winners in the history of the last 30 years, I'd say the smart money, not to be totally pessimistic, is that neither team wins a title within this particular time frame. The next time one of the teams wins, it might be with none of the pieces either team has now in place.

But yes, I believe ours is a better position.

Unless we stumble into a superstar, the chance of winning a title in the next five years is nil.

5 years? Yeah, maybe .1% chance. I only give us that much because we were 32-50 only 3 years before winning our last title.

I might go farther than that, I think the next time the Pistons win it all, NONE of the current pieces to the puzzle will still be around. It'll be that far into the future.

That's probably a pretty safe bet. Drummond is the only player that you might see wearing a Pistons uniform in ten years. Then again, if he actually hits his potential he will probably leave the Pistons and team-up on a team in a more preferable market/climate, like 90% of the league's stars have been doing the last seven years.

[bstein14]

I agree that its incredibly unlikely that either team will be in the NBA finals the rest of this decade.

Detroit's only real hope is Dre developing into the best C in the league, with a will to win we just haven't seen from him. We'd need that to beat Lebron + multiple other all-stars in the playoffs at any point over the next 5 seasons... I think Lebron will get there every year for the next few years unless a big talent like Durant comes east.

[King_Supreme]

Say if you guys get Hezonja and he's JR Smith on steroids(20pts/4rpg/5assists/45% FG/.380 3pt), don't you think the Pistons will be a contender if Drummond is that 20/10 big?