Embiid Updates/Discussion

[James40]

It's pretty cool that the sixers aren't pressuring Embiid to play before he's ready.

That said, I'm sick of tanking. If they don't know Embiid can play next year, they should sign a good, young NBA player to team with Noel and the #3 pick and hopefully make the team more competitive. I'm willing to accept the corresponding decline in lottery position. Is that realistic?

Does anyone think the sixers will be active in the free agency/trade market for an average or above-average NBA player this summer?

C'mon now, 3 years from now they may be looking for that superstar and it's ok because there is no time limit.

[Chamberlainship]

I think it defines how you define tank. I don't think they sign any free agents unless they can lure one of the RFAs over which is unlikely. Essentially you will have the team from last year plus (hopefully) Embiid and whomever gets drafted next week. Basically we will be the 2014-15 Orlando Magic. Not going to win much but likely won't be in the bottom 2. Some people by extension will view this as the third year of tanking because Hinkie still won't go out and sign a bunch of vets and the team won't be great.

I'd be pretty excited if we went after some RFAs. At least it would be a sign that we want to compete.

if Embiid isn't playing this year, I'm not sure the CBA would allow you to sign a player to a contract long enough to impact our cap situation when we get to our "championship window" (don't laugh).

do we need the flexibility to turn a huge deal, a la, Ainge and the celtics? Does Hinkie have the relationships in the league for that? Seems like some GMs are hostile towards him. And, what's the incentive for Hinkie to put his cards on the table if the fanbase is fine with trolling the lottery for a star?

As for the argument that we need to keep NBA players off our roster to churn guys from the d-league, I would say that's what the 87ers are for. People are always hating on non-star NBA free agents, but has the d-league "gold" player that we're sifting for ever been anything more than that?

The NBA team should be, at least in part, about entertaining the fans. As a fan base, we should demand better than what we've been getting. Just like the Bobcats before us, we played the lottery and the results are inconclusive. It's time to move on. I think some of the posters on here have Stockholm syndrome.

[Sixerscan]

It's pretty cool that the sixers aren't pressuring Embiid to play before he's ready.

That said, I'm sick of tanking. If they don't know Embiid can play next year, they should sign a good, young NBA player to team with Noel and the #3 pick and hopefully make the team more competitive. I'm willing to accept the corresponding decline in lottery position. Is that realistic?

Does anyone think the sixers will be active in the free agency/trade market for an average or above-average NBA player this summer?

C'mon now, 3 years from now they may be looking for that superstar and it's ok because there is no time limit.

Is there anyone that honestly wouldn't want the Sixers to sign a good, young NBA player (Presumably while not aggressively overpaying them)

I think the problem is that it is very hard to acquire such a player in free agency, especially when you aren't a title contender. They don't just grow those guys on trees, there's a finite number of them and you're going to have to pay more than anyone else is willing to give. So, inherently, that means the 29 other teams are going to think you are overpaying.

So it wouldn't be a classic good player. It would be someone that Hinkie thinks is overlooked. So I'm on board with this generally, as long as you guys aren't using "good, young NBA player" as code word for someone like Jimmy Butler, because that's 100% unrealistic. It would be someone like a Trevor Booker, or a Jerryd Bayless.

Non-super star veteran free agency is a suckers game. The good values are few and far between, and most of them are ring chasers going to the San Antonios of the world. If you're going to try to sign free agents, you have to go in with that mindset.

[HartfordWhalers]

I think it defines how you define tank. I don't think they sign any free agents unless they can lure one of the RFAs over which is unlikely. Essentially you will have the team from last year plus (hopefully) Embiid and whomever gets drafted next week. Basically we will be the 2014-15 Orlando Magic. Not going to win much but likely won't be in the bottom 2. Some people by extension will view this as the third year of tanking because Hinkie still won't go out and sign a bunch of vets and the team won't be great.

I'd be pretty excited if we went after some RFAs. At least it would be a sign that we want to compete.

if Embiid isn't playing this year, I'm not sure the CBA would allow you to sign a player to a contract long enough to impact our cap situation when we get to our "championship window" (don't laugh).

do we need the flexibility to turn a huge deal, a la, Ainge and the celtics? Does Hinkie have the relationships in the league for that? Seems like some GMs are hostile towards him. And, what's the incentive for Hinkie to put his cards on the table if the fanbase is fine with trolling the lottery for a star?

As for the argument that we need to keep NBA players off our roster to churn guys from the d-league, I would say that's what the 87ers are for. People are always hating on non-star NBA free agents, but has the d-league "gold" player that we're sifting for ever been anything more than that?

The NBA team should be, at least in part, about entertaining the fans. As a fan base, we should demand better than what we've been getting. Just like the Bobcats before us, we played the lottery and the results are inconclusive. It's time to move on. I think some of the posters on here have Stockholm syndrome.

If a guy isn't signed by the Sixers and is just an unsigned guy in Delaware, then he is free to sign anywhere. So, that is not really a help.

There are a bunch of guys who have put up 20 ppg in the dleague and do very little in teh NBA. There are a few like Covington and Whiteside, that end up looking like above average starters. Even if Philly could magically control players not on their roster, just because a guy is producing in the dleague doesn't mean he will be Covington and not Tim Frasier in the NBA.

[Chamberlainship]

It's pretty cool that the sixers aren't pressuring Embiid to play before he's ready.

That said, I'm sick of tanking. If they don't know Embiid can play next year, they should sign a good, young NBA player to team with Noel and the #3 pick and hopefully make the team more competitive. I'm willing to accept the corresponding decline in lottery position. Is that realistic?

Does anyone think the sixers will be active in the free agency/trade market for an average or above-average NBA player this summer?

C'mon now, 3 years from now they may be looking for that superstar and it's ok because there is no time limit.

Is there anyone that honestly wouldn't want the Sixers to sign a good, young NBA player (Presumably while not aggressively overpaying them)

I think the problem is that it is very hard to acquire such a player in free agency, especially when you aren't a title contender. They don't just grow those guys on trees, there's a finite number of them and you're going to have to pay more than anyone else is willing to give. So, inherently, that means the 29 other teams are going to think you are overpaying.

So it wouldn't be a classic good player. It would be someone that Hinkie thinks is overlooked. So I'm on board with this generally, as long as you guys aren't using "good, young NBA player" as code word for someone like Jimmy Butler, because that's 100% unrealistic. It would be someone like a Trevor Booker, or a Jerryd Bayless.

Non-super star veteran free agency is a suckers game. The good values are few and far between, and most of them are ring chasers going to the San Antonios of the world. If you're going to try to sign free agents, you have to go in with that mindset.

Why is us getting jimmy butler or someone of that level 100% unrealistic?

Do you think the Hawks consider themselves suckers for signing Paul Millsap?

[Ericb5]

C'mon now, 3 years from now they may be looking for that superstar and it's ok because there is no time limit.

Is there anyone that honestly wouldn't want the Sixers to sign a good, young NBA player (Presumably while not aggressively overpaying them)

I think the problem is that it is very hard to acquire such a player in free agency, especially when you aren't a title contender. They don't just grow those guys on trees, there's a finite number of them and you're going to have to pay more than anyone else is willing to give. So, inherently, that means the 29 other teams are going to think you are overpaying.

So it wouldn't be a classic good player. It would be someone that Hinkie thinks is overlooked. So I'm on board with this generally, as long as you guys aren't using "good, young NBA player" as code word for someone like Jimmy Butler, because that's 100% unrealistic. It would be someone like a Trevor Booker, or a Jerryd Bayless.

Non-super star veteran free agency is a suckers game. The good values are few and far between, and most of them are ring chasers going to the San Antonios of the world. If you're going to try to sign free agents, you have to go in with that mindset.

Why is us getting jimmy butler or someone of that level 100% unrealistic?

Do you think the Hawks consider themselves suckers for signing Paul Millsap?

Because he is going to get a better offer to stay with the Bulls.


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[Chamberlainship]

If a guy isn't signed by the Sixers and is just an unsigned guy in Delaware, then he is free to sign anywhere. So, that is not really a help.

There are a bunch of guys who have put up 20 ppg in the dleague and do very little in teh NBA. There are a few like Covington and Whiteside, that end up looking like above average starters. Even if Philly could magically control players not on their roster, just because a guy is producing in the dleague doesn't mean he will be Covington and not Tim Frasier in the NBA.

I could see leaving a roster spot free for guy you think of as d-league gold, but to sit out NBA free agency for that reason for 3 summers? I don't think that makes sense. it's the sixers being penny-wise and pound foolish. This is the same group that won't use the name of their arena because they're not getting a cut of the naming rights deal. At some point, you have to develop a reputation for something other than being cheap. You've got to persuade. It can't be all about clever tricks to obtain rights at low cost.

[Chamberlainship]

Is there anyone that honestly wouldn't want the Sixers to sign a good, young NBA player (Presumably while not aggressively overpaying them)

I think the problem is that it is very hard to acquire such a player in free agency, especially when you aren't a title contender. They don't just grow those guys on trees, there's a finite number of them and you're going to have to pay more than anyone else is willing to give. So, inherently, that means the 29 other teams are going to think you are overpaying.

So it wouldn't be a classic good player. It would be someone that Hinkie thinks is overlooked. So I'm on board with this generally, as long as you guys aren't using "good, young NBA player" as code word for someone like Jimmy Butler, because that's 100% unrealistic. It would be someone like a Trevor Booker, or a Jerryd Bayless.

Non-super star veteran free agency is a suckers game. The good values are few and far between, and most of them are ring chasers going to the San Antonios of the world. If you're going to try to sign free agents, you have to go in with that mindset.

Why is us getting jimmy butler or someone of that level 100% unrealistic?

Do you think the Hawks consider themselves suckers for signing Paul Millsap?

Because he is going to get a better offer to stay with the Bulls.


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Restricted free agents never change teams?

You've got to be able to find deals. If you're lopping off a huge chunk of possible players, you're wearing blinders that the other teams aren't.

[HartfordWhalers]

If a guy isn't signed by the Sixers and is just an unsigned guy in Delaware, then he is free to sign anywhere. So, that is not really a help.

There are a bunch of guys who have put up 20 ppg in the dleague and do very little in teh NBA. There are a few like Covington and Whiteside, that end up looking like above average starters. Even if Philly could magically control players not on their roster, just because a guy is producing in the dleague doesn't mean he will be Covington and not Tim Frasier in the NBA.

I could see leaving a roster spot free for guy you think of as d-league gold, but to sit out NBA free agency for that reason for 3 summers? I don't think that makes sense. it's the sixers being penny-wise and pound foolish. At some point, you have to persuade. It can't be all about clever tricks to obtain rights at low cost.

Remember, the ability to sign dleague gold guys isn't the only thing the choice does. It also frees up cap space that gets the Sixers draft picks (The OKC pick, and countless 2nds), and enables the team to have the room to offer contracts to guys they view as great targets. If Philly had filled the cap with role players last year, they wouldn;t be able to go after the Jimmy Butlers this summer.

The team has said -- on the record -- they will go after a bunch of big elephant prime targets, and if they say no, won;t just go for guys that don't matter. Instead, it will roll the cap over and try next year versus signing guys that will make a difference then.

Isn't that what you want, or do you want them to get the best guys they can this summer, even if the best they can is not that great, and blocks them next summer?

[Ericb5]

Why is us getting jimmy butler or someone of that level 100% unrealistic?

Do you think the Hawks consider themselves suckers for signing Paul Millsap?

Because he is going to get a better offer to stay with the Bulls.


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Restricted free agents never change teams?

You've got to be able to find deals. If you're lopping off a huge chunk of possible players, you're wearing blinders that the other teams aren't.

They do, but in this case he is going to get the max, and we can't offer as much as the existing team.

I think that most of us would be ok offering a max contract to a number of guys out there, but those guys have no incentive to come here.

It is the middle of the road guys that we don't want to sign.


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[James40]

Is it next summer when the cap skyrockets? If so I really hope Embiid plays and kicks ass this coming season, top players aren't coming here to win 20-25 games, but they'll come if they think Embiid is the next big thing to lead a team to a championship.

[BullyKing]

C'mon now, 3 years from now they may be looking for that superstar and it's ok because there is no time limit.

Is there anyone that honestly wouldn't want the Sixers to sign a good, young NBA player (Presumably while not aggressively overpaying them)

I think the problem is that it is very hard to acquire such a player in free agency, especially when you aren't a title contender. They don't just grow those guys on trees, there's a finite number of them and you're going to have to pay more than anyone else is willing to give. So, inherently, that means the 29 other teams are going to think you are overpaying.

So it wouldn't be a classic good player. It would be someone that Hinkie thinks is overlooked. So I'm on board with this generally, as long as you guys aren't using "good, young NBA player" as code word for someone like Jimmy Butler, because that's 100% unrealistic. It would be someone like a Trevor Booker, or a Jerryd Bayless.

Non-super star veteran free agency is a suckers game. The good values are few and far between, and most of them are ring chasers going to the San Antonios of the world. If you're going to try to sign free agents, you have to go in with that mindset.

Why is us getting jimmy butler or someone of that level 100% unrealistic?

Do you think the Hawks consider themselves suckers for signing Paul Millsap?

I'd like to be clear on your expectations before free agency begins. What would satisfy you? Will you be upset with anything short of Butler, Green, Leonard, or Middleton? If not, what would satisfy you?

[Sixerscan]

C'mon now, 3 years from now they may be looking for that superstar and it's ok because there is no time limit.

Is there anyone that honestly wouldn't want the Sixers to sign a good, young NBA player (Presumably while not aggressively overpaying them)

I think the problem is that it is very hard to acquire such a player in free agency, especially when you aren't a title contender. They don't just grow those guys on trees, there's a finite number of them and you're going to have to pay more than anyone else is willing to give. So, inherently, that means the 29 other teams are going to think you are overpaying.

So it wouldn't be a classic good player. It would be someone that Hinkie thinks is overlooked. So I'm on board with this generally, as long as you guys aren't using "good, young NBA player" as code word for someone like Jimmy Butler, because that's 100% unrealistic. It would be someone like a Trevor Booker, or a Jerryd Bayless.

Non-super star veteran free agency is a suckers game. The good values are few and far between, and most of them are ring chasers going to the San Antonios of the world. If you're going to try to sign free agents, you have to go in with that mindset.

Why is us getting jimmy butler or someone of that level 100% unrealistic?

Do you think the Hawks consider themselves suckers for signing Paul Millsap?

Show me a restricted free agent coming off an all star appearance that didn't sign with his original team in the last decade. It's extremely rare that players of that talent level transfer teams when the team has matching rights. Especially now that the CBA has eliminated some sign and trade loopholes. We're living in a world where Eric Gordon and Gordan Heyward can be signed to max offer sheets and their teams still match.

Do you understand what the words "few and far between" mean? As I said, I am on board with culling the free agent market for deals, I'm just not optimistic that we will get a good result based on history. Josh Smith was signed the same off season that Millsap was. In free agency, you lose much more than you win.

[cksdayoff]

is Butler legit? I haven't paid enough attention to him or the Bulls. Same with Kawhi

[SparksFly87]

If we can get two top 10 picks in next year's with the lakers and 76ers pick by sucking again. Embiid can take as much time as he needs . We need him most when we are ready to stack with talent and ready to contend.

[James40]

If we can get two top 10 picks in next year's with the lakers and 76ers pick by sucking again. Embiid can take as much time as he needs . We need him most when we are ready to stack with talent and ready to contend.

Another year would be pushing it I think, he's right at Noels missed time 16 months, another year for a guy who hasn't played a lot of basketball in his life could be rough.

[JRSG]

is Butler legit? I haven't paid enough attention to him or the Bulls. Same with Kawhi

can compete with any of their peers on both ends. Only a handful of perimeter players can say that in the league.

[ryst]

If we can get two top 10 picks in next year's with the lakers and 76ers pick by sucking again. Embiid can take as much time as he needs . We need him most when we are ready to stack with talent and ready to contend.

I don't care if we somehow get the entire top 10 picks in the next draft

if Embiid doesn't play next year this is devastating news and this cant be argued.
its bad for Embiid , its horrible for the team and its awful for Hinkie

players don't miss 2 years of playing time and become good over night

[crow]

Day 3: I still have yet to see anything other than that BS report by that 'unnamed source' to lead me to believe that Joel will miss next season.

[Ericb5]

Day 3: I still have yet to see anything other than that BS report by that 'unnamed source' to lead me to believe that Joel will miss next season.

The only reports that we have seen about next year are based on the fact that we don't know what the next step is. Since the range of possibilities includes surgery then people are saying that he could miss next year. There is no information to suggest that he is likely to miss next year.

The most direct information that we have is the quotes from Kanas where one of their assistant coaches talked directly to Joel who said that they were going to slow down.


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