Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

[bwgood77]

It is nearly impossible to get players like Marion or Stoudemire when you keep picking 13th-14th every year.

I take it you don't think Kawhi Leonard is close to their level? Draymond Green was drafted 35th. Tons of good to great players were drafted late. Marc Gasol (48th), Zach Randolph (19th), Ginobili, Tony Parker....the list goes on.

Warren looks great to me. Better than some ahead of him. You've gotta have a little faith and hope.

Kobe Bryant and Karl Malone were 13th picks. Steve Nash wasn't exactly a top 5 pick also.

Yeah, I've mentioned those two as well. You never know what you are going to get.

[letsgosuns]

This is insane! Here are excerpts from this article: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238218/Jimmy-Butler-To-Pursue-Short-Term-Offer-Sheet

"Jimmy Butler plans to pursue short-term offer sheets this summer in free agency and resist the Chicago Bulls' offer of a five-year maximum contract."

"Butler could sign a three-year offer sheet that guarantees him $50 million, but allows for a player option on the third year that could allow him to move into unrestricted free agency and re-sign for a five-year, maximum deal worth as much as $190 million."

5 Year, 190 million dollar deal!

That is nuts! Now those contracts in the 10-15 million dollar per year range truly will look like major bargains. The NBA is going to look way different pretty soon.

[bhawk]

What will Brandon Knight ask for or do? Does he and the rest of this restricted free agent class follow the Butler precedent? Good times.

[bwgood77]

What will Brandon Knight ask for or do? Does he and the rest of this restricted free agent class follow the Butler precedent? Good times.

Who knows? It could go either way. I think he will take security and settle for a deal around the range of Bledsoe's or maybe a little less...he is smart enough to realize there are not many teams that need point guards, and regardless of the rise in cap, his services might not be in high demand next summer.

[bwgood77]

This is insane! Here are excerpts from this article: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238218/Jimmy-Butler-To-Pursue-Short-Term-Offer-Sheet

"Jimmy Butler plans to pursue short-term offer sheets this summer in free agency and resist the Chicago Bulls' offer of a five-year maximum contract."

"Butler could sign a three-year offer sheet that guarantees him $50 million, but allows for a player option on the third year that could allow him to move into unrestricted free agency and re-sign for a five-year, maximum deal worth as much as $190 million."

5 Year, 190 million dollar deal!

That is nuts! Now those contracts in the 10-15 million dollar per year range truly will look like major bargains. The NBA is going to look way different pretty soon.

That's what we've been telling you! You can't dump guys like Bledsoe and Kieff for nothing because those contracts will be gold in a year. I think it was also someone else (Jmac?) saying their contracts don't have value....they will have huge value in the future.

[bwgood77]

how committed are bulls to derrick rose? I would roll the dice and give McD huge balls credit if we could get him. Pair him up with Len, could be a dangerous duo.

Pretty damn committed if they paid him $20 million a year to sit on the bench and eat skittles. He isn't going anywhere.

[thamadkant]

Approx 30 million dollars for Jimmy friggin Butler is insane... only MVP candidate with All-star numbers should come close to getting 25 million a year. Cap rise or not, the majority of people spend money on NBA merchandising and accessing TV/video for the superstars and TEAMS... not for tier 2 or 3 stars.

Lebron is worth 40+ million, Curry is arguably worth 25-30 million (he has a very popular game style and entertaining to watch + MVP), Harden yup, Westbrook yup, Durant yup etc... The rest are in the 20-25 Million dollar range.

[bwgood77]

Gotta ask here.....why would Millsap or Carroll leave ATL where they will get a good deal and come West where they might not even make the playoffs? I think Bud gets both to stay, and no cap worries in the ATL with new ownership.
I like the way you guys think re: Millsap and Carroll though; they are huge to the success of the Hawks and it will show this summer.

Yes, I would love Millsap but can't see why he would leave if they want him...same with all the Hawks guys.

[Cutter]

What will Brandon Knight ask for or do? Does he and the rest of this restricted free agent class follow the Butler precedent? Good times.

Who knows? It could go either way. I think he will take security and settle for a deal around the range of Bledsoe's or maybe a little less...he is smart enough to realize there are not many teams that need point guards, and regardless of the rise in cap, his services might not be in high demand next summer.

If someone put a 5 year $70 million contract in front of me I would be so speechless I would just sign the contract and walk away and not say a word to anyone.

[bwgood77]

What will Brandon Knight ask for or do? Does he and the rest of this restricted free agent class follow the Butler precedent? Good times.

Who knows? It could go either way. I think he will take security and settle for a deal around the range of Bledsoe's or maybe a little less...he is smart enough to realize there are not many teams that need point guards, and regardless of the rise in cap, his services might not be in high demand next summer.

If someone put a 5 year $70 million contract in front of me I would be so speechless I would just sign the contract and walk away and not say a word to anyone.

Well yes, if someone put a 5 year $1 million dollar contract in front of me, I'd sign it immediately as well.

[letsgosuns]

This is insane! Here are excerpts from this article: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238218/Jimmy-Butler-To-Pursue-Short-Term-Offer-Sheet

"Jimmy Butler plans to pursue short-term offer sheets this summer in free agency and resist the Chicago Bulls' offer of a five-year maximum contract."

"Butler could sign a three-year offer sheet that guarantees him $50 million, but allows for a player option on the third year that could allow him to move into unrestricted free agency and re-sign for a five-year, maximum deal worth as much as $190 million."

5 Year, 190 million dollar deal!

That is nuts! Now those contracts in the 10-15 million dollar per year range truly will look like major bargains. The NBA is going to look way different pretty soon.

That's what we've been telling you! You can't dump guys like Bledsoe and Kieff for nothing because those contracts will be gold in a year. I think it was also someone else (Jmac?) saying their contracts don't have value....they will have huge value in the future.

Oh well I want to trade the Morris brothers regardless of their contracts. I just do not like them and do not want to watch a Phoenix Suns game with them wearing Suns uniforms ever again. I despise them. Anyway, I think Bledsoe's contract is great. The reason I have mentioned trading him is because I think the Suns will re-sign Knight and I do not want to have a Bledsoe/Knight backcourt. I have no confidence the dual point guard lineup will amount to anything. And I think Bledsoe has enough value to trade for a top five draft pick, such as swapping him and the 13th pick for the fourth pick. Then the Suns can re-sign Knight to be the starting point guard and draft a potential franchise player with the fourth pick.

[Cutter]

Who knows? It could go either way. I think he will take security and settle for a deal around the range of Bledsoe's or maybe a little less...he is smart enough to realize there are not many teams that need point guards, and regardless of the rise in cap, his services might not be in high demand next summer.

If someone put a 5 year $70 million contract in front of me I would be so speechless I would just sign the contract and walk away and not say a word to anyone.

Well yes, if someone put a 5 year $1 million dollar contract in front of me, I'd sign it immediately as well.

Touche!

[thamadkant]

if Knight listens to his agent, he might do a "short" term contract sign.. in this case the qualifying offer?
Agents are the real "greedy" factor, they can convince a player to wait it out for the increased cap since they get a huge boost on their cut.

[bwgood77]

if Knight listens to his agent, he might do a "short" term contract sign.. in this case the qualifying offer?
Agents are the real "greedy" factor, they can convince a player to wait it out for the increased cap since they get a huge boost on their cut.

I think an agent might be smart enough to know that there are very few teams willing to invest in a pg today, and there are at least 2-3 good ones coming in this year, so I can't imagine you can rely on demand next year. Even if I'm the agent, I take the guaranteed contract now.

[bhawk]

Who knows? It could go either way. I think he will take security and settle for a deal around the range of Bledsoe's or maybe a little less...he is smart enough to realize there are not many teams that need point guards, and regardless of the rise in cap, his services might not be in high demand next summer.

If someone put a 5 year $70 million contract in front of me I would be so speechless I would just sign the contract and walk away and not say a word to anyone.

Well yes, if someone put a 5 year $1 million dollar contract in front of me, I'd sign it immediately as well.

Do I hear 5 year 750K?

[lilfishi22]

By the way, as you probably know, I do not not consider the Morris brothers good assets. I think Marcus is terrible and the only good thing about Markieff is that he is a good mid-range shooter who hits a lot of clutch shots. He is a poor rebounder, not a good defender, an average passer, and wildly inconsistent. And of course he has all of the off the court issues as well. Tucker is a decent asset for a competing team that needs an extra wing defender off the bench. Bledsoe is the best asset in my opinion and I would trade him for a top five pick only. I think he is too good to give up on. Yet the reason I entertain it is because I think the Suns can use Knight as his replacement. I just really do not want them to go into next season with a Bledsoe/Knight backcourt because they would be so undersized.

I think Mobros have average value as a trade asset. Even though we could trade them seperately, other might see them as being a package which is annoying because Kieff has significantly higher trade value than Marcus.

[thamadkant]

5 for 250K I'll be OK.

[Phnxsports]

NBA minimum and a bag of Cheetos and I'm set.

[Mr-Al]

Oh well I want to trade the Morris brothers regardless of their contracts. I just do not like them and do not want to watch a Phoenix Suns game with them wearing Suns uniforms ever again. I despise them.

I think we get it by now, thanks

[Mulhollanddrive]

Who cares about what happens in 3 years if you can get Butler for 16m. Knight would cost us most of that anyway.