Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

[SideSwipe]

if Knight listens to his agent, he might do a "short" term contract sign.. in this case the qualifying offer?
Agents are the real "greedy" factor, they can convince a player to wait it out for the increased cap since they get a huge boost on their cut.

QO signed early in FA is the best possible scenario for PHX. It gives PHX significant cap unaffected by his caphold. This would give PHX big money to grab more FA's. PHX will want to CAP out this year, use the Dragic TE, then sign Knight to an extension over the cap next year. The cap will go up anyway, so all of these moves should not affect the future or finances of the Suns too much. They key to this summer is lock up as many as possible so you have their bird rights.

Bird rights will be an important determining factor in players getting their full value, so we may see 3 year deals with player options on the third being handed out.

Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Len Plus #13 and $20 million to spend

[Saberestar]

Sidenote: not a lot of love for Robert Sarver in the Warriors' corner tonight. A whole lot of vindication for choices made in Suns era.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sam_amick/status/611118094803705858

That is very important. People around the league knows very well that Sarver has made a ton of mistakes and that he doesn't reward the good workers. FAs know that, agents know that. Joe Jhonson....Amare. ...Steve Kerr like a GM... that three were at his best and we didn’t choose to pay him. Our team, of couse, failed after that. We were a beautiful good team at 2010, in 2011 we weren't even a playoff team. ...what a shame.

[thamadkant]

This Sarver thing is over blown a bit...
Joe Johnson was matched but decided he wants to be the man in Atlanta...
Marion wanted max and Kerr as the GM said he wasnt worth it... and eventually lead to trading him for Shaq.
D'Antoni was adviced to hire a defensive assistant coach, but chose not to follow it.
D'Antoni also was the one who wanted to trade picks out since he doesnt play rookies much.. and he forced the Kurt Thomas trade since he wanted to be faster...

Kerr wouldnt have a championship now with the warriors if he didnt get to LEARN from the Suns mistakes... the Suns failures lead to Warriors being the team they are.... Kerr learnt from the Suns experience...

Sarver meddles but the people around him could of easily argued their case and Im sure Sarver went ahead with his decisions because the people around him didnt argue and fought for their ideas more. (Just speculation).

Basically, I think D'Antoni was as guilty as Sarver... Kerr was just too much of a rookie GM back then...

Warriors are champs because of Kerr copying the Suns and fixing the issues... Mark Jackson and Don Nelson have to be given kudos too.. they were the ones that were involved when Curry, Thompson were drafted... Green too... and of course signing Iguadala and Bogut who were the X-factor in the playoffs and finals. Kerr is a lucky man overall...

[Qwigglez]

Wait... so after the Warriors win the championship someone asks Kerr/Gentry about Sarver or something? Sounds like a made-up story to me.

[RaisingArizona]

How many times are we going to talk about what could have been a decade ago?

[RaisingArizona]

Oh well I want to trade the Morris brothers regardless of their contracts. I just do not like them and do not want to watch a Phoenix Suns game with them wearing Suns uniforms ever again. I despise them.

Just put this in your signature so you don't have to type the same thing out every post.

[AtheJ415]

if Knight listens to his agent, he might do a "short" term contract sign.. in this case the qualifying offer?
Agents are the real "greedy" factor, they can convince a player to wait it out for the increased cap since they get a huge boost on their cut.

QO signed early in FA is the best possible scenario for PHX. It gives PHX significant cap unaffected by his caphold. This would give PHX big money to grab more FA's. PHX will want to CAP out this year, use the Dragic TE, then sign Knight to an extension over the cap next year. The cap will go up anyway, so all of these moves should not affect the future or finances of the Suns too much. They key to this summer is lock up as many as possible so you have their bird rights.

Bird rights will be an important determining factor in players getting their full value, so we may see 3 year deals with player options on the third being handed out.

Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Len Plus #13 and $20 million to spend

I disagree. We want to lock up Knight, who is 23 and nowhere near his full potential, on a long-term deal, particularly given that the cap is going up. We have Bledsoe and the Morri locked up long-term. Also have Len, Goodwin, and Warren on rookie deals. Add Knight and we have our team locked into great deals, giving us lots of cap space next year when the cap goes up and for a few years after if we don't use it. Why throw that away for cap space this year only? We can renounce Wright's RFA rights and Thorton's and offer a mini-max this year already.

[thamadkant]

Knight can do a Monroe and wait it out for a better deal.

Of course suns wants to lock him in on a cheap deal but the player can opt for the QO if he chooses to.

[SideSwipe]

if Knight listens to his agent, he might do a "short" term contract sign.. in this case the qualifying offer?
Agents are the real "greedy" factor, they can convince a player to wait it out for the increased cap since they get a huge boost on their cut.

QO signed early in FA is the best possible scenario for PHX. It gives PHX significant cap unaffected by his caphold. This would give PHX big money to grab more FA's. PHX will want to CAP out this year, use the Dragic TE, then sign Knight to an extension over the cap next year. The cap will go up anyway, so all of these moves should not affect the future or finances of the Suns too much. They key to this summer is lock up as many as possible so you have their bird rights.

Bird rights will be an important determining factor in players getting their full value, so we may see 3 year deals with player options on the third being handed out.

Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Len Plus #13 and $20 million to spend

I jodisagree. We want to lock up Knight, who is 23 and nowhere near his full potential, on a long-term deal, particularly given that the cap is going up. We have Bledsoe and the Morri locked up long-term. Also have Len, Goodwin, and Warren on rookie deals. Add Knight and we have our team locked into great deals, giving us lots of cap space next year when the cap goes up and for a few years after if we don't use it. Why throw that away for cap space this year only? We can renounce Wright's RFA rights and Thorton's and offer a mini-max this year already.

Locking up Knight for lower than market rate for one more year gives PHX the chance to acquire talent via FA this year and build from it. We would still get the CAP dollars next year, but would have flexibility to spend it how we want including the most likely scenario of exceeding the cap (since we have his bird rights), plus we would have players from this year that we could exceed the cap for as well. Exceeding the cap in the next two years will give phoenix an advantage in talent on the court.

The team I list plus a full max FA would be killer if we could bring one in. Or we could split it into two quality players at $10 a piece, or grab Wright then use what's left over to grab a $12 or $13 mil player. All of those options when added together get us building towards a championship smartly starting this year.

[Revived]

I wonder how much Draymond Green will cost and if GSW lets him walk.

He's the ideal stretch 4 because he has playmaking ability, some shooting ability, rebounding ability and elite defense.

If the Suns dump the twins in the off season on some other team, they could perhaps go after a guy like Green.

He's also the vocal leader that Hornacek keeps crying about not having on the team.

[AtheJ415]

I wonder how much Draymond Green will cost and if GSW lets him walk.

He's the ideal stretch 4 because he has playmaking ability, some shooting ability, rebounding ability and elite defense.

If the Suns dump the twins in the off season on some other team, they could perhaps go after a guy like Green.

He's also the vocal leader that Hornacek keeps crying about not having on the team.

Why would we need to drop the twins to go after Green? The twins are on crazy cheap deals. We can very easily afford to keep the Twins and go after a Green.

[AtheJ415]

QO signed early in FA is the best possible scenario for PHX. It gives PHX significant cap unaffected by his caphold. This would give PHX big money to grab more FA's. PHX will want to CAP out this year, use the Dragic TE, then sign Knight to an extension over the cap next year. The cap will go up anyway, so all of these moves should not affect the future or finances of the Suns too much. They key to this summer is lock up as many as possible so you have their bird rights.

Bird rights will be an important determining factor in players getting their full value, so we may see 3 year deals with player options on the third being handed out.

Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Morris, Len Plus #13 and $20 million to spend

I jodisagree. We want to lock up Knight, who is 23 and nowhere near his full potential, on a long-term deal, particularly given that the cap is going up. We have Bledsoe and the Morri locked up long-term. Also have Len, Goodwin, and Warren on rookie deals. Add Knight and we have our team locked into great deals, giving us lots of cap space next year when the cap goes up and for a few years after if we don't use it. Why throw that away for cap space this year only? We can renounce Wright's RFA rights and Thorton's and offer a mini-max this year already.

Locking up Knight for lower than market rate for one more year gives PHX the chance to acquire talent via FA this year and build from it. We would still get the CAP dollars next year, but would have flexibility to spend it how we want including the most likely scenario of exceeding the cap (since we have his bird rights), plus we would have players from this year that we could exceed the cap for as well. Exceeding the cap in the next two years will give phoenix an advantage in talent on the court.

The team I list plus a full max FA would be killer if we could bring one in. Or we could split it into two quality players at $10 a piece, or grab Wright then use what's left over to grab a $12 or $13 mil player. All of those options when added together get us building towards a championship smartly starting this year.

No, we wouldn't still get the cap dollars next year, because then we'd have to actually sign Knight, and in the new, higher cap at a much-inflated salary. The only scenario where we get that added cap in future years in the event Knight signs the QO is if he bombs and his value drops, or else if we let him walk. Also, we can do all of what you suggest in the bottom paragraph by waiving our RFA rights to Wright. Putting off getting your top young talent on a long-term deal is never a good option when the cap is escalating drastically. It's the opposite of what you'd want to do from any logical standpoint. This would only make sense if there as a player in this year's FA who was so good you had to get them and if the only way to clear that space was with Knight signing the QO.

[Revived]

I wonder how much Draymond Green will cost and if GSW lets him walk.

He's the ideal stretch 4 because he has playmaking ability, some shooting ability, rebounding ability and elite defense.

If the Suns dump the twins in the off season on some other team, they could perhaps go after a guy like Green.

He's also the vocal leader that Hornacek keeps crying about not having on the team.

Why would we need to drop the twins to go after Green? The twins are on crazy cheap deals. We can very easily afford to keep the Twins and go after a Green.

Green's best as a PF and he's not gonna come off the bench. Will Morris twins ego allow them to go back to being content bench players?

I don't think salary wise we can afford Green with twins on the books either.

I noticed you said "a Green" so maybe you meant like Danny or Gerald Green?

[AtheJ415]

I wonder how much Draymond Green will cost and if GSW lets him walk.

He's the ideal stretch 4 because he has playmaking ability, some shooting ability, rebounding ability and elite defense.

If the Suns dump the twins in the off season on some other team, they could perhaps go after a guy like Green.

He's also the vocal leader that Hornacek keeps crying about not having on the team.

Why would we need to drop the twins to go after Green? The twins are on crazy cheap deals. We can very easily afford to keep the Twins and go after a Green.

Green's best as a PF and he's not gonna come off the bench. Will Morris twins ego allow them to go back to being content bench players?

I don't think salary wise we can afford Green with twins on the books either.

I noticed you said "a Green" so maybe you meant like Danny or Gerald Green?

No. I meant Draymond. We can easily get $15 mil in cap space this offseason if we wanted Draymond that bad. Kieff and Marcus are on 8 and 5 mil deals respectively. In the new cap era, that becomes about 6 and 3.5 mil in today's dollars. Kieff is 6th man of the year caliber and so 6 mi is beyond affordable for him. Marcus at 3.5 today also is reasonable imo. I think they like playing together and so would be okay with playing in the same unit. I'd rather get Tobias Harris than Draymond, although Draymond is more gettable due to GS's cap.

[Puff]

This Sarver thing is over blown a bit...
in Atlanta...
Marion wanJoe Johnson was matched but decided he wants to be the man ted max and Kerr as the GM said he wasnt worth it... and eventually lead to trading him for Shaq.
D'Antoni was adviced to hire a defensive assistant coach, but chose not to follow it.
D'Antoni also was the one who wanted to trade picks out since he doesnt play rookies much.. and he forced the Kurt Thomas trade since he wanted to be faster...

Kerr wouldnt have a championship now with the warriors if he didnt get to LEARN from the Suns mistakes... the Suns failures lead to Warriors being the team they are.... Kerr learnt from the Suns experience...

Sarver meddles but the people around him could of easily argued their case and Im sure Sarver went ahead with his decisions because the people around him didnt argue and fought for their ideas more. (Just speculation).

Basically, I think D'Antoni was as guilty as Sarver... Kerr was just too much of a rookie GM back then...

Warriors are champs because of Kerr copying the Suns and fixing the issues... Mark Jackson and Don Nelson have to be given kudos too.. they were the ones that were involved when Curry, Thompson were drafted... Green too... and of course signing Iguadala and Bogut who were the X-factor in the playoffs and finals. Kerr is a lucky man overall...

What a bunch of garbage

Sarver off the hook, Kerr off the hook

WTF

Sarver and Kerr caused virtually all of our problems and have destroyed this franchise. They had final say in virtually everything that you and others blame Mike for. Somehow they always seem to come out clean as a whistle. Kerr was the worst. He torched D'Antoni after the season and Mike wanted out. Mike went to the Knick's. Then Kerr didn't get what he wanted after we made the WCF with Gentry so he cut and ran just like Mike. Kerr ran to a microphone. It appears that they both wanted to get away from Sarver and they did.

The only year we have been in the playoffs since Mike left town was one time with Mike's assistant as head coach and Mike's nucleus of players. The great Steve Nash revolted against both Sarver and Kerr and forced Porter out of town and Gentry in as a head coach. We made the WCF then Sarver broke that group up.

Was that Mike's fault as well?

We had a great thing going with BC and MDA working together but Sarver would have none of that on his watch. The rest is history. A piss poor history at that.

Sarver = the worst owner in the NBA

[Saberestar]

In addition to Gerald Henderson staying in Charlotte, @EricPincus reports Danny Granger has opted in with Suns to stay in PHX next season

https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/611268824134983681

Granger will be a Sun next season.

[thamadkant]

This Sarver thing is over blown a bit...
in Atlanta...
Marion wanJoe Johnson was matched but decided he wants to be the man ted max and Kerr as the GM said he wasnt worth it... and eventually lead to trading him for Shaq.
D'Antoni was adviced to hire a defensive assistant coach, but chose not to follow it.
D'Antoni also was the one who wanted to trade picks out since he doesnt play rookies much.. and he forced the Kurt Thomas trade since he wanted to be faster...

Kerr wouldnt have a championship now with the warriors if he didnt get to LEARN from the Suns mistakes... the Suns failures lead to Warriors being the team they are.... Kerr learnt from the Suns experience...

Sarver meddles but the people around him could of easily argued their case and Im sure Sarver went ahead with his decisions because the people around him didnt argue and fought for their ideas more. (Just speculation).

Basically, I think D'Antoni was as guilty as Sarver... Kerr was just too much of a rookie GM back then...

Warriors are champs because of Kerr copying the Suns and fixing the issues... Mark Jackson and Don Nelson have to be given kudos too.. they were the ones that were involved when Curry, Thompson were drafted... Green too... and of course signing Iguadala and Bogut who were the X-factor in the playoffs and finals. Kerr is a lucky man overall...

What a bunch of garbage

Sarver off the hook, Kerr off the hook

WTF

Sarver and Kerr caused virtually all of our problems and have destroyed this franchise. They had final say in virtually everything that you and others blame Mike for. Somehow they always seem to come out clean as a whistle. Kerr was the worst. He torched D'Antoni after the season and Mike wanted out. Mike went to the Knick's. Then Kerr didn't get what he wanted after we made the WCF with Gentry so he cut and ran just like Mike. Kerr ran to a microphone. It appears that they both wanted to get away from Sarver and they did.

The only year we have been in the playoffs since Mike left town was one time with Mike's assistant as head coach and Mike's nucleus of players. The great Steve Nash revolted against both Sarver and Kerr and forced Porter out of town and Gentry in as a head coach. We made the WCF then Sarver broke that group up.

Was that Mike's fault as well?

We had a great thing going with BC and MDA working together but Sarver would have none of that on his watch. The rest is history. A piss poor history at that.

Sarver = the worst owner in the NBA

So You disagree.
Thats fine.

I dont agree with what you said either, D'Antoni is unemployed for a reason. He is too stubborn to change his ways.
I dont care about Sarver nor Kerr, but just mentioning what I think. I still am ticked off on Kerr letting Marion go so thats that.

[Frank Lee]

Puff with the Stuff


I wouldn't say Sarver is the worst, but he was in the running there for a while. One observation.... Outside of Gentry, has Sarver hired any top front office people/coach with actual NBA experience (in the job hired to do) ?

[BobbieL]

Just put this in your signature so you don't have to type the same thing out every post.

I agree. The Suns offseason starts with dumping the twins plus possibly Tucker.

Once that is settled - phase two, though technically its first is the draft (Rondae or Dekker please!!)

But if you can get the twins traded, depending on how much cap room is saved - come on Hinkie!! - the Suns have option

[JDJ26]

Just put this in your signature so you don't have to type the same thing out every post.

I agree. The Suns offseason starts with dumping the twins plus possibly Tucker.

Once that is settled - phase two, though technically its first is the draft (Rondae or Dekker please!!)

But if you can get the twins traded, depending on how much cap room is saved - come on Hinkie!! - the Suns have option

Would the Sixers be willing to trade Noel? Maybe once the Morris legal issues are sorted out the Suns could trade the Morris Twins back home for Noel. Sixers would probably want a draft pick along with the twins though.