Hornets worst shooting team in NBA? What to do...

[Liver_Pooty]

MKG is my favorite player, but gosh dammit we just came off a 33 win season. Everyone is up for criticism right? Should he not develop a 3 point shot by now?

plus if we're gonna suck anyways why not have him firing away from the corner unless we're worried about shattering his confidence

If firing away from the corner ruins his confidence he's not the player I'd want on this team anyway.

We as fans need him to shoot that short corner three as bad, or worse than Zeller to hit a 3 period, or Noah for that matter.

[yosemiteben]

MKG shot 38% from 15-19 feet last season on 2.5 attempts per game, only 1% less than Mo, 2% less than Hendo, and 4% less than Kemba. He shot a similar percentage the year before (37.7%), but held that percentage last year despite nearly tripling his attempts (from 0.9 attempts).

On a very small number of attempts (0.3 per game) last year, MKG shot 36.8% from 20-24 feet last season, better than Kemba and Al. That was up from 15.4% on 0.6 attempts per game the year before.

All that just to say, the dude has shown progress, he's only 21, I think there's no reason to view this coming year as the final year of his development where he has to prove himself or be traded.

ETA: For some perspective on MKG vs. Tony Allen, last season Allen shot 31.6% on shots from 15-19 feet on just 0.3 attempts per game and 31% on shots from 20-24 feet on 0.5 attempts per game. MKG has already significantly passed Allen as a shooter.

[Liver_Pooty]

MKG shot 38% from 15-19 feet last season on 2.5 attempts per game, only 1% less than Mo, 2% less than Hendo, and 4% less than Kemba. He shot a similar percentage the year before (37.7%), but held that percentage last year despite nearly tripling his attempts (from 0.9 attempts).

On a very small number of attempts (0.3 per game) last year, MKG shot 36.8% from 20-24 feet last season, better than Kemba and Al. That was up from 15.4% on 0.6 attempts per game the year before.

All that just to say, the dude has shown progress, he's only 21, I think there's no reason to view this coming year as the final year of his development where he has to prove himself or be traded.

Not his final year of development, but in a thread devoted to how were going to improve our shooting he has to be brought up and held accountable.

[Braggins]

I can't believe everyone is going to sit here and have a conversation about us allegedly needing better shooting when we already added the legendary Spencer Hawes...

[Liver_Pooty]

I can't believe everyone is going to sit here and have a conversation about us allegedly needing better shooting when we already added the legendary Spencer Hawes...

Lol. Made me laugh out loud, literally. I needed that. Thanks.

[Braggins]

I can't believe everyone is going to sit here and have a conversation about us allegedly needing better shooting when we already added the legendary Spencer Hawes...

Lol. Made me laugh out loud, literally. I needed that. Thanks.

Ya gotta laugh. Nothing else to do at this point if you're a Hornets fan lol.

[DY_nasty]

I've given Walker so much criticism over the years I won't even get started with his shooting.

I mean...

I'm just gonna bring this out and ask everyone to look at a basic shooting chart for our guys on the season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHO/2015.html#shooting::none

like it says SO much lol

PJ actually did know his role and the value of a corner 3. He was our best guy at getting that look and operating on the 3pt line actually. He stayed out on the perimeter more than Marvin did and most of his shots were assisted suggesting a consistency in solid looks. Kemba and Mo were both hot trash from the corners, nor do they even seem to realize that its a good shot. For as much as Marvin is relied on for #spacing, he's the most dependent on the offense for good looks on the team by far.

Just a lot of interesting stuff that falls right in line with what many feel through the eye test and then some. As a whole, our shooting situation is just an accomplishment in failure. Never seen anything like it. One guy, hell... 3 guys, aren't bring up the shooting from the basement. Our usage is high in all the bad areas and we don't understand or value what opportunities or roadblocks are in offense. This isn't even trapped in the 90s stuff, this is bad 90s ball.

[Braggins]

I've given Walker so much criticism over the years I won't even get started with his shooting.

I mean...

I'm just gonna bring this out and ask everyone to look at a basic shooting chart for our guys on the season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHO/2015.html#shooting::none

like it says SO much lol

PJ actually did know his role and the value of a corner 3. He was our best guy at getting that look and operating on the 3pt line actually. He stayed out on the perimeter more than Marvin did and most of his shots were assisted suggesting a consistency in solid looks. Kemba and Mo were both hot trash from the corners, nor do they even seem to realize that its a good shot. For as much as Marvin is relied on for #spacing, he's the most dependent on the offense for good looks on the team by far.

Just a lot of interesting stuff that falls right in line with what many feel through the eye test and then some. As a whole, our shooting situation is just an accomplishment in failure. Never seen anything like it. One guy, hell... 3 guys, aren't bring up the shooting from the basement. Our usage is high in all the bad areas and we don't understand or value what opportunities or roadblocks are in offense. This isn't even trapped in the 90s stuff, this is bad 90s ball.

This is why I facepalmed when Clifford said that Cody needs to add a corner 3... He should probably be more worried about literally everyone on the roster who already shoots 3s adding a corner 3. At least we know for sure that he acknowledges the existence of the corner. Baby steps.

[Liver_Pooty]

I've given Walker so much criticism over the years I won't even get started with his shooting.

I mean...

I'm just gonna bring this out and ask everyone to look at a basic shooting chart for our guys on the season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHO/2015.html#shooting::none

like it says SO much lol

PJ actually did know his role and the value of a corner 3. He was our best guy at getting that look and operating on the 3pt line actually. He stayed out on the perimeter more than Marvin did and most of his shots were assisted suggesting a consistency in solid looks. Kemba and Mo were both hot trash from the corners, nor do they even seem to realize that its a good shot. For as much as Marvin is relied on for #spacing, he's the most dependent on the offense for good looks on the team by far.

Just a lot of interesting stuff that falls right in line with what many feel through the eye test and then some. As a whole, our shooting situation is just an accomplishment in failure. Never seen anything like it. One guy, hell... 3 guys, aren't bring up the shooting from the basement. Our usage is high in all the bad areas and we don't understand or value what opportunities or roadblocks are in offense. This isn't even trapped in the 90s stuff, this is bad 90s ball.

Great post. I have no rebuttal for that.

[GoBobs]

I am not to worried about it. Contagious bad shooting happens to teams sometimes. Two of the guys who let us down the most, Lance and G Neal, are already out of here. Our best player, MKG, showed major improvement in his shooting last year and even if he doesn't take 3s his % is decent as a jump shooter now.

We were really hurt by injuries last year. Kemba went out when he was playing good and came back looking rusty. Biz got hurt when he was playing well and finally starting to get minutes after Al was already hurt. MKG was hurt for almost a third of the season. Jefferson was out and then playing injured for a while. Henderson started the year recovering from an injury as did Lance. It seemed like the injuries made it harder for a lot of guys to find their rhythm during the season.

Part of it is coaching. We need to be more aggressive on offense. We need to push the ball and try to find more open looks in transition.

Here is the Hornets true shooting % ranking and league ranking

1. Biz .578 (51)
2. Marv Williams .541 (143)
3. Cody Zeller .530 (180)
4. MKG .519 (217)
5. Gerald Henderson .514 (233)
6. Al Jefferson .500 (282)
7. Brian Roberts .495 (292)
8. Kemba Walker .486 (310)
9. Gary Neal .483 (313) - he was actually even worse then this for Charlotte though his shooting number picked up after he left
10. Maxiel .455 (349) - thanks again coach Cliff : /
11. Lance Stephenson .419 (365) - 2nd worst in the league

[DY_nasty]

I am not to worried about it. Contagious bad shooting happens to teams sometimes. Two of the guys who let us down the most, Lance and G Neal, are already out of here. Our best player, MKG, showed major improvement in his shooting last year and even if he doesn't take 3s his % is decent as a jump shooter now.

We were really hurt by injuries last year. Kemba went out when he was playing good and came back looking rusty. Biz got hurt when he was playing well and finally starting to get minutes after Al was already hurt. MKG was hurt for almost a third of the season. Jefferson was out and then playing injured for a while. Henderson started the year recovering from an injury as did Lance. It seemed like the injuries made it harder for a lot of guys to find their rhythm during the season.

Part of it is coaching. We need to be more aggressive on offense. We need to push the ball and try to find more open looks in transition.

Here is the Hornets true shooting % ranking and league ranking

1. Biz .578 (51)
2. Marv Williams .541 (143)
3. Cody Zeller .530 (180)
4. MKG .519 (217)
5. Gerald Henderson .514 (233)
6. Al Jefferson .500 (282)
7. Brian Roberts .495 (292)
8. Kemba Walker .486 (310)
9. Gary Neal .483 (313) - he was actually even worse then this for Charlotte though his shooting number picked up after he left
10. Maxiel .455 (349) - thanks again coach Cliff : /
11. Lance Stephenson .419 (365) - 2nd worst in the league

That's a horrific TS assortment for a team. I don't think you'll be able to find anything comparable in the last decade tbh.

I don't think Lance and Neal really 'matter' though. Lance didn't play enough, or shoot enough imo, to standout as a big catastrophe for our shooting as a whole (ironically, I think he may have done a decent job *at times* creating shots despite is general habit of being a net negative on both sides of the ball but w/e he's gone). Neal though... Kemba basically shot the same % from 3 as Neal. And while Neal's biggest problem was the fact that he simply couldn't help but take bad pull up 3s at a shameful rate, Kemba and Mo weren't far behind at all - they just happened to be able to score and contribute in more areas while Neal would directly tank the entire team with his rapid fire bricks.

And I don't think pushing the ball would help. We'd only take more bad shots (our ability to get to the rim and finish was just as bad as our 3pt issues but its hardly every talked about) and create more possessions for a taxed defense to try and limit.

Its not as simple as just being more aggressive. Our lack of an offensive system was on full display when Clifford was trying to play Kemba off of Mo near the end of the system. Kemba just had no idea what to do. One of our most active players in the past 4 years was just flatout clueless as to how he was supposed to contribute without the ball in his hands. That should never be the case at the NBA level. Kemba's as aggressive as anyone on the team but a lack of a real system means that he's gonna do exactly what his stats suggest - throw up bad shots and fling himself at the rim because the entire team stands around together.

[Liver_Pooty]

Double post

[Liver_Pooty]

I'm sorry, im not goimg to put TS% into perspective when Biyombo by far leads the team. That's just ridiculous. A lot of analytic stats are in general.

[Braggins]

I am not to worried about it. Contagious bad shooting happens to teams sometimes. Two of the guys who let us down the most, Lance and G Neal, are already out of here. Our best player, MKG, showed major improvement in his shooting last year and even if he doesn't take 3s his % is decent as a jump shooter now.

We were really hurt by injuries last year. Kemba went out when he was playing good and came back looking rusty. Biz got hurt when he was playing well and finally starting to get minutes after Al was already hurt. MKG was hurt for almost a third of the season. Jefferson was out and then playing injured for a while. Henderson started the year recovering from an injury as did Lance. It seemed like the injuries made it harder for a lot of guys to find their rhythm during the season.

Part of it is coaching. We need to be more aggressive on offense. We need to push the ball and try to find more open looks in transition.

Here is the Hornets true shooting % ranking and league ranking

1. Biz .578 (51)
2. Marv Williams .541 (143)
3. Cody Zeller .530 (180)
4. MKG .519 (217)
5. Gerald Henderson .514 (233)
6. Al Jefferson .500 (282)
7. Brian Roberts .495 (292)
8. Kemba Walker .486 (310)
9. Gary Neal .483 (313) - he was actually even worse then this for Charlotte though his shooting number picked up after he left
10. Maxiel .455 (349) - thanks again coach Cliff : /
11. Lance Stephenson .419 (365) - 2nd worst in the league

That's a horrific TS assortment for a team. I don't think you'll be able to find anything comparable in the last decade tbh.

I don't think Lance and Neal really 'matter' though. Lance didn't play enough, or shoot enough imo, to standout as a big catastrophe for our shooting as a whole (ironically, I think he may have done a decent job *at times* creating shots despite is general habit of being a net negative on both sides of the ball but w/e he's gone). Neal though... Kemba basically shot the same % from 3 as Neal. And while Neal's biggest problem was the fact that he simply couldn't help but take bad pull up 3s at a shameful rate, Kemba and Mo weren't far behind at all - they just happened to be able to score and contribute in more areas while Neal would directly tank the entire team with his rapid fire bricks.

And I don't think pushing the ball would help. We'd only take more bad shots (our ability to get to the rim and finish was just as bad as our 3pt issues but its hardly every talked about) and create more possessions for a taxed defense to try and limit.

Its not as simple as just being more aggressive. Our lack of an offensive system was on full display when Clifford was trying to play Kemba off of Mo near the end of the system. Kemba just had no idea what to do. One of our most active players in the past 4 years was just flatout clueless as to how he was supposed to contribute without the ball in his hands. That should never be the case at the NBA level. Kemba's as aggressive as anyone on the team but a lack of a real system means that he's gonna do exactly what his stats suggest - throw up bad shots and fling himself at the rim because the entire team stands around together.

Great post, although I would say that I think that our finishing around the rim would be better if we got out in transition and took advantage of opportunities to operate in more space. When we slow it down it allows teams to clog the paint, which makes it more difficult in general for our guys to finish inside. Simply having Al constantly camped on the block is another issue imo. I think the biggest problem is definitely a complete lack of any kind of system, but I do also think we need to get out and run as well.