Trade up to 3 or 4? What would it take?

Post #1 » by **theBigLip** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:06 am

I don't think it is SVG's style to trade up in the draft, but Porzingis seems like he could be a great fit next to Drummond. Seems like 3 or 4 is what it would take to get him. Curious what everyone thinks if this would be a good move, and what would they be willing to give up.

The best trade assets we have are next year's First rounder and KCP. If KCP and our #8 pick this year gets us up to 3 or 4, I'd do it for sure, but I doubt that would be enough.

So next year's first would likely have to be used to make this happen. If we make the playoffs, then it would be #15 at best. A good pick, but not a great one, and also a year away. I would be willing to trade next year's first unprotected, and this years pick at #8 if it got us Porzingis. And since we can't trade two year's first round picks in a row, Philly or the Knicks would have to pick for us, then we pick whoever they want, then we could trade the rights to the players afterward along with next year's #1. Yes, I've been drinking a lot of Porzingis Koolaid lately.

Or, we could just be patient, get Winslow or Hezonja, and make another baby step next year. Doesn't sound as exciting.

Post #2 » by **Snakebites** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:09 am

KCP doesn't get us up.

Not sure how much value he has outside of the Pistons, but the difference between 3/4 and 8 is the difference between a potential star and a solid role player in many scenarios. Nobody wants to trade a potential star for 2 potential role players.

If Winslow or Herzonja are there I'm not sure its worth offering our pick next year, which could still be quite good since Porzingis isn't really an immediate impact type guy.

sc8581 · Post #3 » by **sc8581** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:29 am

If I'm trading up it's only for Russell or Towns but I don't think we have the assets to do it anyway.

Kilo · Post #4 » by **Kilo** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:00 pm

Can't trade up with Philly as they already have picks out the wazoo next year anyways and KCP wouldn't cut it. I think with the Knicks it would cost Reggie Jackson and #8, but we can't trade Reggie now so he'd have to agree to a secret deal with NYK and then we S&T him there along with a pick we make at #8 (made for the Knicks) for the picks the Knicks made at #4 (made for us).

Entourage27 · Post #5 » by **Entourage27** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:21 pm

Reports have it that IF the Knicks trade back they want a pick in the 8-14 range and a veteran. If I'm SVG I'm exploring this option with either reggie or Jennings IF Deangelo Russell is available at the 4th spot. If not then the idea of trading up would be pointless as I feel anybody else isn't worth giving up based on value.

princeofpalace · Post #6 » by **princeofpalace** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:22 pm

The only reason to trade up would be to take Russell. Trading up for Porzingis who could very well be there at 8 would be a huge mistake.

The Penguin · Post #7 » by **The Penguin** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:44 pm

Entourage27 wrote:Reports have it that IF the Knicks trade back they want a pick in the 8-14 range and a veteran. If I'm SVG I'm exploring this option with either reggie or Jennings IF Deangelo Russell is available at the 4th spot. If not then the idea of trading up would be pointless as I feel anybody else isn't worth giving up based on value.

If Russell drops to 4 they run to the podium.

Post #8 » by **theBigLip** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:06 pm

princeofpalace wrote:The only reason to trade up would be to take Russell. Trading up for Porzingis who could very well be there at 8 would be a huge mistake.

I'll happily make a wager with you that Porzingis is drafted closer to #3 than #8

zeebneeb · Post #9 » by **zeebneeb** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:24 pm

theBigLip wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:The only reason to trade up would be to take Russell. Trading up for Porzingis who could very well be there at 8 would be a huge mistake.

I'll happily make a wager with you that Porzingis is drafted closer to #3 than #8

I know you want to bet prince, but in thinking about it, I'll take that bet. I'm thinking he goes 6. I know the rumors, but alot of execs know, if you take an American and he doesn't pan out, it happens. Take porkungus and he fails? Your fired. Certainly at 4 and above.

Post #10 » by **theBigLip** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:52 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:The only reason to trade up would be to take Russell. Trading up for Porzingis who could very well be there at 8 would be a huge mistake.

I'll happily make a wager with you that Porzingis is drafted closer to #3 than #8
I know you want to bet prince, but in thinking about it, I'll take that bet. I'm thinking he goes 6. I know the rumors, but alot of execs know, if you take an American and he doesn't pan out, it happens. Take porkungus and he fails? Your fired. Certainly at 4 and above.

You do make a good point - GMs are human and want to keep their job, and that certainly plays into their decision making progress. I also think Mudiay's stock has dropped a bit which makes it easier for Porzingis to go higher. I'm guaran-Sheeding he is top 5, and you think he is 6. I guess we'll make a gentlemen's bet and we can find out next Thursday.

princeofpalace · Post #11 » by **princeofpalace** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:52 pm

theBigLip wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:The only reason to trade up would be to take Russell. Trading up for Porzingis who could very well be there at 8 would be a huge mistake.

I'll happily make a wager with you that Porzingis is drafted closer to #3 than #8

If some idiot GM wants to reach for Porzingis that his problem. Zingis is certainly not one of the prospects who is a lock to be off the board at 8 and trading up to reach for a guy is a horrible strategy

Post #12 » by **theBigLip** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:56 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:The only reason to trade up would be to take Russell. Trading up for Porzingis who could very well be there at 8 would be a huge mistake.

I'll happily make a wager with you that Porzingis is drafted closer to #3 than #8

If some idiot GM wants to reach for Porzingis that his problem. Zingis is certainly not one of the prospects who is a lock to be off the board at 8 and trading up to reach for a guy is a horrible strategy

That is certainly one way to look at it. And we won't know until another year or so if it would have been right or not. But I'm thinking he is the real deal, and is going to be gone way before we get a shot at him.

Webbdog · Post #13 » by **Webbdog** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:53 pm

It would take too much. It would be a dumb move. The number 8 pick we hold could turn out to be the best player selected in this draft.

Hotmayo · Post #14 » by **Hotmayo** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:58 pm

Webbdog wrote:It would take too much. It would be a dumb move. The number 8 pick we hold could turn out to be the best player selected in this draft.

You smart.

russkopp · Post #15 » by **russkopp** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:12 pm

I've thought about what it would take to move up but it's just not smart considering we're a young team just building our foundation. Keep 8, our assets (future picks) and young players and see what happens. After that spend wisely in free agency and hope things pan out.

Billl · Post #16 » by **Billl** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:43 pm

Porzingis could go top 3. Someone almost always climbs the draft charts after individual workouts. However, the team picking that someone usually is making a big mistake. All these guys have been scouted for years and there performance in real games is well documented. Ignoring that in favor of workout data isn't a great strategy, but sometimes GM's let their ego get in the way.

Anyway, the only guy on the pistons roster who would actually net a top pick is Drummond, so we won't be moving up. Given that there are several SF candidates who have a chance of being there when we pick, we'll probably just stand pat. If all the SF's were likely to go top 5 and the "best available" in our range were likely to be centers and pgs, then we would be much more likely to try to trade up or down.

DCintheD · Post #17 » by **DCintheD** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:19 pm

Get outta here with giving up KCP for that euro bust. One good workout and all a sudden he's the next Dirk. Pre-draft hype is funny

MrBigShot · Post #18 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:49 pm

It's not just the workout. It's the skill set, physical tools and the way he comes across in interviews. His English is great, and he seems very down to earth and grounded. I like what i've heard from him in interviews...in particular here's one thing he said recently:

“The biggest thing for me – the thing that I think most about – is that you can get into the gym whenever you want here. They give you a card, or a key, and in the middle of the night, if you want to work out, you just go to the gym and get your work in – and I think that’s amazing.

I'm going to go on record and say that by the beginning of his second season he'll be better than Motiejunas currently is. If he drops to 8, which will not happen barring some sort of injury or another red flag emerging, he's a no brainer. I don't think we have the assets to trade up for him (other than Dre who we wouldn't trade)

Warspite · Post #19 » by **Warspite** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:05 pm

Drummond.

Blkbrd671 · Post #20 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:37 am

2017 first round pick+#8+dinwiddie