NBA ChoK16 - the Rich Cho Thread

[MasterIchiro]

Yes. Ideally Biz, but I would take Hawes too.

If the front office lets Biz walk, is that Cliff's fault as well?

Im going to say that if they let Biz walk that there is no way that Clifford isn't largely responsible for that one. He could not have made it any clearer that he doesn't value Biz and doesn't want to play him in his system, to the point of trying to get away with playing Maxiell instead. If Biz would have got the minutes he deserved last season I don't think there is much chance we would be considering letting him go unless someone throws a crazy contract at him.

100% biased because you hate Cliff's coaching style and likely everything about him, the way he looks, the way he talks, his mannerisms, everything.

If the FRONT OFFICE lets Biz walk it has everything to do with fiscal management and the cap crunch with Al and Hendo opting in. Do you blame Cliff for Al and Hendo opting in or do you 100% blame Cho for failing to add serious starters to the roster to challenge them? Gary Neal, Mo Williams, now Spencer Hawes?

[Braggins]

Cliff is serious about keeping his job. If the front office ordered or at least pressured Cliff to bench Al, you think Cliff would push back? Seems like a traditional guy to me who complies with hierarchy. Such a crap roster, can you AT LEAST admit that.

No, but I'm not trying to absolve or defend Cho and the front office for being complicit in this. If Clifford benched Al and the team improved I don't think MJ or Cho would pressure him to play Al again for the fans.

Well the effect of your constant 24-7 attack on Cliff takes the target off Cho's back so if you truly believe he's complicit you should at least mention it in your attacks. We talk about bringing in an offensive coordinator - it's the same deck of cards. The person who "helps Cliff with offense" should be Cho. But Cho hasn't done that. He has got virtually (not completely) shut out the past 2 deadlines. The list of whiffs is growing. He brought in Neal, then Mo Williams, both vet journeymen not legitimate starters or anyone who can pressure Cliff to replace Hendo or Al.

I'm not convinced Cho is so bad that he definitely needs to go, but he is on thin ice. I think not firing Clifford is basically a disaster. A waste of time at best.

[Braggins]

Cho said Cody and MKG won't be fully active until next month. He said Al has been cleared and has been around "here and there".

[MasterIchiro]

Cho just said that they are going to take best player available in the presser. Says they will address shooting, but it might not necessarily be through the draft.

Awesome maybe they will draft WCS to "help Clifford with offense".

[-Ian-]

No word on Biz?

[MasterIchiro]

If they don't address shooting through the lottery (they have never once addressed shooting through the lottery) and they don't have space for a starter FA (who can shoot no less), then that leaves trades. NOBODY WANTS OUR JUNK

[Braggins]

If the front office lets Biz walk, is that Cliff's fault as well?

Im going to say that if they let Biz walk that there is no way that Clifford isn't largely responsible for that one. He could not have made it any clearer that he doesn't value Biz and doesn't want to play him in his system, to the point of trying to get away with playing Maxiell instead. If Biz would have got the minutes he deserved last season I don't think there is much chance we would be considering letting him go unless someone throws a crazy contract at him.

100% biased because you hate Cliff's coaching style and likely everything about him, the way he looks, the way he talks, his mannerisms, everything.

If the FRONT OFFICE lets Biz walk it has everything to do with fiscal management and the cap crunch with Al and Hendo opting in. Do you blame Cliff for Al and Hendo opting in or do you 100% blame Cho for failing to add serious starters to the roster to challenge them? Gary Neal, Mo Williams, now Spencer Hawes?

I don't blame Cliff for Al and Hendo opting in... Those are completely unrelated situations.

You can't seriously act like the way Cliff has used Biz hasn't affected the chances of us bringing him back. We have to give Clifford a player he is actually going to use. I would be shocked if Biz isn't already 3rd on the depth chart behind Hawes and he was behind our 15th man for a relevant portion of last season. You think the front office can afford to match the 6-8 million Biz might get offered when they know that the coach doesn't want to play him and will avoid it at almost any cost...

I don't generally blame Clifford for personnel moves, but in this case I don't see how you can deny the impact that Clifford could have on Biz's future here.

I don't blame Clifford for adding Neal to the team, but I do blame him for playing him so many minutes over better players. There was no reason for him to ever have the role he did except in certain stretches where we had injured wings. It will likely be the same story with Hawes. He could be a valuable player to us, but he is likely going to get used a ton with Al and with Marvin, and our offense will still be terrible, so he is going to look like a disaster and you will blame Cho for adding such a terrible player and not giving Clifford better options.

[Braggins]

Cho just said that they are going to take best player available in the presser. Says they will address shooting, but it might not necessarily be through the draft.

Awesome maybe they will draft WCS to "help Clifford with offense".

I think you mean that they will draft him to sit on the bench behind Al and Hawes.

[fatlever]

yup, that was pointless as expected.

[Braggins]

No word on Biz?

He said that he thought he played well and they are still evaluating the situation. He brought up that he is still only 22 and his best years are ahead of him. Seems like decent news.

When asked about resigning Al he did not sound very positive. He basically said that if he gets in shape in bounces back it could be possible, but if he plays like he did last season that it is a completely different situation.

[MasterIchiro]

Im going to say that if they let Biz walk that there is no way that Clifford isn't largely responsible for that one. He could not have made it any clearer that he doesn't value Biz and doesn't want to play him in his system, to the point of trying to get away with playing Maxiell instead. If Biz would have got the minutes he deserved last season I don't think there is much chance we would be considering letting him go unless someone throws a crazy contract at him.

100% biased because you hate Cliff's coaching style and likely everything about him, the way he looks, the way he talks, his mannerisms, everything.

If the FRONT OFFICE lets Biz walk it has everything to do with fiscal management and the cap crunch with Al and Hendo opting in. Do you blame Cliff for Al and Hendo opting in or do you 100% blame Cho for failing to add serious starters to the roster to challenge them? Gary Neal, Mo Williams, now Spencer Hawes?

I don't blame Cliff for Al and Hendo opting in... Those are completely unrelated situations.

You can't seriously act like the way Cliff has used Biz hasn't affected the chances of us bringing him back. We have to give Clifford a player he is actually going to use. I would be shocked if Biz isn't already 3rd on the depth chart behind Hawes and he was behind our 15th man for a relevant portion of last season. You think the front office can afford to match the 6-8 million Biz might get offered when they know that the coach doesn't want to play him and will avoid it at almost any cost...

I don't generally blame Clifford for personnel moves, but in this case I don't see how you can deny the impact that Clifford could have on Biz's future here.

I don't blame Clifford for adding Neal to the team, but I do blame him for playing him so many minutes over better players. There was no reason for him to ever have the role he did except in certain stretches where we had injured wings. It will likely be the same story with Hawes. He could be a valuable player to us, but he is likely going to get used a ton with Al and with Marvin, and our offense will still be terrible, so he is going to look like a disaster and you will blame Cho for adding such a terrible player and not giving Clifford better options.

Before Cliff even arrived here they drafted Biz, reached to 7 no less, and loved their pick so much they immediately locked up Al Jefferson to a 3 year deal, again BEFORE Cliff arrived. And since Cliff arrived Cho has added Hawes to challenge Al.

[yosemiteben]

Even Lowe is having some fun with the Cho non-answers...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/611552102410788864[/tweet]

[LofJ]

No word on Biz?

He said that he thought he played well and they are still evaluating the situation. He brought up that he is still only 22 and his best years are ahead of him. Seems like decent news.

When asked about resigning Al he did not sound very positive. He basically said that if he gets in shape in bounces back it could be possible, but if he plays like he did last season that it is a completely different situation.

Cho said that? Holy crap, that is awesome.

[-Ian-]

No word on Biz?

He said that he thought he played well and they are still evaluating the situation. He brought up that he is still only 22 and his best years are ahead of him. Seems like decent news.

When asked about resigning Al he did not sound very positive. He basically said that if he gets in shape in bounces back it could be possible, but if he plays like he did last season that it is a completely different situation.

Thanks!

Considering that Biz is the first pick of Cho for our team, he should at least give the guy another chance to prove himself to Clifford and the franchise.

[Braggins]

No word on Biz?

He said that he thought he played well and they are still evaluating the situation. He brought up that he is still only 22 and his best years are ahead of him. Seems like decent news.

When asked about resigning Al he did not sound very positive. He basically said that if he gets in shape in bounces back it could be possible, but if he plays like he did last season that it is a completely different situation.

Cho said that? Holy crap, that is awesome.

Basically. He worded it kind of oddly. Said he had a bad year last year and that if he comes back healthy and plays great that it could be a different situation, but if he plays like he did last year then its a completely different situation. He definitely made it sound like that if he didn't get his act together and play well that they won't be trying to resign him.

[MasterIchiro]

He said that he thought he played well and they are still evaluating the situation. He brought up that he is still only 22 and his best years are ahead of him. Seems like decent news.

When asked about resigning Al he did not sound very positive. He basically said that if he gets in shape in bounces back it could be possible, but if he plays like he did last season that it is a completely different situation.

Cho said that? Holy crap, that is awesome.

Basically. He worded it kind of oddly. Said he had a bad year last year and that if he comes back healthy and plays great that it could be a different situation, but if he plays like he did last year then its a completely different situation. He definitely made it sound like that if he didn't get his act together and play well that they won't be trying to resign him.

Too bad Cliff will get on his hands and knees and beg Cho to lock up Al even if Al doesn't get his act together, right?

[-Ian-]

Even Lowe is having some fun with the Cho non-answers...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/611552102410788864[/tweet]

I cackled on this one:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/611552414437502976[/tweet]

[Braggins]

Cho said that? Holy crap, that is awesome.

Basically. He worded it kind of oddly. Said he had a bad year last year and that if he comes back healthy and plays great that it could be a different situation, but if he plays like he did last year then its a completely different situation. He definitely made it sound like that if he didn't get his act together and play well that they won't be trying to resign him.

Too bad Cliff will get on his hands and knees and beg Cho to lock up Al even if Al doesn't get his act together, right?

When did I say that Al being here had anything to do with Cliford, or that we would resign him because Clifford loves him so much? All I said that it was Cliffords fault we have to deal with 35 minutes of Alfense every game.

I said I don't blame Clifford for personnel moves except with the possible exception of the Biz situation could play out. I would guess it isn't going to affect it though based on what he said. Cho did say something in the press conference about how they look for players for Clifford's system. It was a pretty generic response, but he did say it.

[MasterIchiro]

Basically. He worded it kind of oddly. Said he had a bad year last year and that if he comes back healthy and plays great that it could be a different situation, but if he plays like he did last year then its a completely different situation. He definitely made it sound like that if he didn't get his act together and play well that they won't be trying to resign him.

Too bad Cliff will get on his hands and knees and beg Cho to lock up Al even if Al doesn't get his act together, right?

When did I say that Al being here had anything to do with Cliford, or that we would resign him because Clifford loves him so much? All I said that it was Cliffords fault we have to deal with 35 minutes of Alfense every game.

I said I don't blame Clifford for personnel moves except with the possible exception of the Biz situation could play out. Cho did say something in the press conference about how they look for players for Clifford's system. It was a pretty generic response, but he did say it.

Al averaged 30.6 minutes. And his post ups were suddenly hurried, leading to his FG% suffering.

[mrknowitall215]

Willie Cauley-Stein will fall, and Cho will reach?