NBA ChoK16 - the Rich Cho Thread

[Braggins]

This one is classic.

Cho has had 5 lottery picks and used zero on shooters despite this change. He clearly didn't anticipate it.

Cho drafted Cody Zeller with 'shooting' in mind

Thought it was interesting he hinted at concern of price in moving up yet says teams below don't want to offer enough to move up. Is he one of those teams? Make up your mind, Cho. Be aggressive.

I really hope he is aggressive. I really want to move up. I'd be ok with moving back to 12 for a future pick or Hood or something. Move slightly up for Hezonja or slightly back if you want to take Booker/Oubre. You are going to hate me for this, but if we stay at 9 I'd rather take Stanley Johnson or BPA than Booker/Oubre.

[JDR720]

yea, in the 13,12 and 14 drafts i think we got the better overall player. 2011 is the only one we passed on legit star players. Cho hasn't hit any home runs in the draft but has gotten a solid player in each one.

[MasterIchiro]

Cho drafted Cody Zeller with 'shooting' in mind

Thought it was interesting he hinted at concern of price in moving up yet says teams below don't want to offer enough to move up. Is he one of those teams? Make up your mind, Cho. Be aggressive.

I really hope he is aggressive. I really want to move up. I'd be ok with moving back to 12 for a future pick or Hood or something. Move slightly up for Hezonja or slightly back if you want to take Booker/Oubre. You are going to hate me for this, but if we stay at 9 I'd rather take Stanley Johnson or BPA than Booker/Oubre.

I wouldn't hate you for that, I'd crucify Cho daily in this thread. I would do my best to keep it confined to this thread.

[mrknowitall215]

Thought it was interesting he hinted at concern of price in moving up yet says teams below don't want to offer enough to move up. Is he one of those teams? Make up your mind, Cho. Be aggressive.

Might be gauging trading Kemba & #9 to the Knicks for #4 and Hardaway Jr

[MasterIchiro]

Cho drafted Cody Zeller with 'shooting' in mind

Thought it was interesting he hinted at concern of price in moving up yet says teams below don't want to offer enough to move up. Is he one of those teams? Make up your mind, Cho. Be aggressive.

I really hope he is aggressive. I really want to move up. I'd be ok with moving back to 12 for a future pick or Hood or something. Move slightly up for Hezonja or slightly back if you want to take Booker/Oubre. You are going to hate me for this, but if we stay at 9 I'd rather take Stanley Johnson or BPA than Booker/Oubre.

Ford said Hezonja could go as high as 5 and I agree. If he's there at 6, Cho needs to compel the Kings and overpay.

[Braggins]

Thought it was interesting he hinted at concern of price in moving up yet says teams below don't want to offer enough to move up. Is he one of those teams? Make up your mind, Cho. Be aggressive.

I really hope he is aggressive. I really want to move up. I'd be ok with moving back to 12 for a future pick or Hood or something. Move slightly up for Hezonja or slightly back if you want to take Booker/Oubre. You are going to hate me for this, but if we stay at 9 I'd rather take Stanley Johnson or BPA than Booker/Oubre.

Ford said Hezonja could go as high as 5 and I agree. If he's there at 6, Cho needs to compel the Kings and overpay.

I'm dead set on that plan.

[MasterIchiro]

Thought it was interesting he hinted at concern of price in moving up yet says teams below don't want to offer enough to move up. Is he one of those teams? Make up your mind, Cho. Be aggressive.

Might be gauging trading Kemba & #9 to the Knicks for #4 and Hardaway Jr

I'm guessing the Sixers are baiting the Magic with Porzingis and will ultimately select Russell. That certainly opens the Knicks to trades. Ford says they want Towns, Okafor, Russell or trade.

Not sure how Cho would react to that kind of deal.

[mrknowitall215]

We passed on Thompson, Leonard, and Knight for Biyombo and Kemba in 2011
We passed on Beal for MKG in 2012
We passed on McLemore for Zeller in 2013
and we passed on McDermott, Lavine, and Young for Vonleh in 2014

I don't have a problem with what we did in 2012 or 2013, and going for a guy we had in the top 5 in 2014 is understandable, but in hindsight the 2011 draft did not go well for us.

I think more egregiously we do not take advantage of the 2nd round of the draft, that is something that is without question hurting our ability to take full advantage of the draft. Our plans to finally have a D League team of our own was the best thing that happened to this organization in a long time.

The 2011 Draft might be Cho's best work considering that he wasn't picking in the top 5. Perceptually, Kemba is the only player out of 5 lottery picks that he's selected that is viewed as more than a role player

[mrknowitall215]

Thought it was interesting he hinted at concern of price in moving up yet says teams below don't want to offer enough to move up. Is he one of those teams? Make up your mind, Cho. Be aggressive.

Might be gauging trading Kemba & #9 to the Knicks for #4 and Hardaway Jr

I'm guessing the Sixers are baiting the Magic with Porzingis and will ultimately select Russell. That certainly opens the Knicks to trades. Ford says they want Towns, Okafor, Russell or trade.

Not sure how Cho would react to that kind of deal.

As a Sixers fan, I'm hoping the Porzingis play that they are feeding Chad Ford & Jonathon Givony is a smokescreen to keep the Timberwolves & Lakers interest away from selecting D'Angelo Russell in the top 2, as well as keep the Knicks at bay at #4 like you've stated. It'll be a disaster to pass on Russell for Porzingis

[LofJ]

I really hope he is aggressive. I really want to move up. I'd be ok with moving back to 12 for a future pick or Hood or something. Move slightly up for Hezonja or slightly back if you want to take Booker/Oubre. You are going to hate me for this, but if we stay at 9 I'd rather take Stanley Johnson or BPA than Booker/Oubre.

Ford said Hezonja could go as high as 5 and I agree. If he's there at 6, Cho needs to compel the Kings and overpay.

I'm dead set on that plan.

The Kings are going to want Cauley-Stein, Winslow, or Mudiay out of this draft. I don't see the latter two falling to 9, but if WCS is there at 6 it's a possibility. WCS, Marvin, and our 2016 1st (top 5 protected) for Landry and Hezonja is a good offer in my opinion.

[MasterIchiro]

Definitely if WCS falls to 6 I don't think the Magic have to worry about the Nuggets or Pistons taking him so they could get him cheaper at 9. I would offer 9 (WCS or Payne) + Marv's expiring for 6 (Hezonja only) + Jason Thompson's contract (1 extra year). I'd be willing to add pick 39 plus a lottery protected 1st.

[LofJ]

Even with a new owner the Kings seem to be just as dysfunctional as ever, if there is any team in the lottery that we can swindle a favorable deal out of it's them. That said I did read the Divac is a big fan of Hezonja, but given their horrible frontcourt depth I'd be really surprised if he's who they're targeting. And if even if they are we should call them up immediately to see if we can take McLemore or Stauskas off their hands.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Cho isn't gonna take a shooter just because we need one. He's been clear, even reiterating it in this presser, that we're taking our highest rated player when it's our turn to pick (at 9 or elsewhere) regardless of fit.

The fact that he hasn't been able to move any pieces for suitable shooters, though, is an issue, folks.

[MasterIchiro]

Cho isn't gonna take a shooter just because we need one. He's been clear, even reiterating it in this presser, that we're taking our highest rated player when it's our turn to pick (at 9 or elsewhere) regardless of fit.

The fact that he hasn't been able to move any pieces for suitable shooters, though, is an issue, folks.

But if he had anticipated teams moving towards a perimeter game, he should have known that it would be a challenge to trade a BPA down the line when the demand for shooting is so high and teams coveting shooters. So your choice is to strike out on a starter who can shoot lights out via trade or FA or draft for fit for at least one pick, whether Klay Thompson, Bradley Beal, Ben McLemore etc. Booker isn't too far away from Stanley Johnson. If Cho passes on Booker it just looks like he's unwilling to accept the realities of today's NBA and that you have to overpay to retain or acquire perimeter threats. Would you be against Cho overpaying to move up to select Hezonja? There are certain instances when overpaying for shooters becomes the new norm and the BPA calculations need to be readjusted. I think this draft will reflect that, with players like Booker and Hunter rising and players like Winslow, Johnson and WCS falling.

[Snidely FC]

Danny Ferry!!!



EDIT: I remember thinking he got a raw deal because he just repeated someone else's words, and he did an amazing job with that Hawks squad, however I just went back and reread the words he repeated and it was pretty dumb of him not to edit himself. Prolly would pass on him now.

[mrknowitall215]

Danny Ferry!!!

Would be interesting to hear the response behind a reporter ask Danny Ferry about Bismack Biyombo and/or Noah Vonleh considering their direct African descent and heritage

However, I agree that Ferry would be a good hiring if Charlotte decided to move on from Cho

[BeesWax]

As long as Cho doesn't blow it and move up in this draft I think we will be fine. If we can't get to Russell there is not reason to give up a core piece to move forward.

This may be the only way to add a shooter because any FA is going to look at what Cliff has done to the shooters he has and pick somewhere else.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

In all honesty I would give up a core asset for Russell.

[BeesWax]

In all honesty I would give up a core asset for Russell.

Me too. He is the only wing I would do that for though.

[MasterIchiro]

any FA is going to look at what Cliff has done to the shooters he has and pick somewhere else.

1) There's no money for a starting caliber shooter.
2) Money is what a FA looks at.