2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

MasterIchiro · Post #581 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:46 pm

The problem for the Knicks is they are in win-now mode being in their demanding market and not having a pick next year, so no need to tank. Mudiay might turn out to be the better PG but his impact won't be felt for years and the Hornets seem in need of a reboot. I think that roster has far more talent than the Magic.

HornetJail · Post #582 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:19 pm

Mudiay presents the exact same downsides that Kemba has, with less of Kemba's strengths. I would trade him if he fell to #9.

MasterIchiro · Post #583 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:36 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:Mudiay presents the exact same downsides that Kemba has, with less of Kemba's strengths. I would trade him if he fell to #9.

Mudiay is a much better playmaker, bigger, better defender. His upside is John Wall, another pass-first PG who struggles from range. I've seen some footage and he reminded me of Westbrook with his size, athleticism and slashing ability.

They're very different.

Kemba is definitely the better scorer.

HornetJail · Post #584 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:43 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:Mudiay presents the exact same downsides that Kemba has, with less of Kemba's strengths. I would trade him if he fell to #9.

Mudiay is a much better playmaker, bigger, better defender. His upside is John Wall, another pass-first PG who struggles from range. I've seen some footage and he reminded me of Westbrook with his size, athleticism and slashing ability.

They're very different.

Kemba is definitely the better scorer.

And what if he doesn't become Westbrook or Wall? Then we've got some kind of present-day Rondo/present-day Kemba Walker hybrid on our hands, and we pass up the best chance we've had to get a starting shooting guard that can shoot. I stand by what I've been saying- the only guard I'd trade Walker for in this draft is D'Angelo Russell.

MasterIchiro · Post #585 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:47 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Would anyone do Kemba to the Knicks for Mudiay + Calderon + Hardaway Jr.?

Here was my original post.

BizGilwalker wrote:we pass up the best chance we've had to get a starting shooting guard that can shoot.

What do you mean by this?

We keep 9 AND add a 6th man.

HornetJail · Post #586 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:52 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Would anyone do Kemba to the Knicks for Mudiay + Calderon + Hardaway Jr.?

Here was my original post.

BizGilwalker wrote:we pass up the best chance we've had to get a starting shooting guard that can shoot.

What do you mean by this?

We keep 9.

Well, the Knicks wouldn't touch that deal then- not at Kemba's current value, but that does change things a bit. I would consider it, but not for Mudiay. I'd trade #9+Big Al to get Lawson+Chandler+future asset and then use the 4th pick NY gives us to either move down a spot or two or just stay where we are and draft Hezonja (assuming Russell and Towns go top 3).

Let me go ahead and say that I am not okay with any deal that replaces Kemba with another non-shooting PG. That doesn't fix any issue we have with our roster and it only sets us back. Can you imagine this team with even less spacing?

MasterIchiro · Post #587 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:59 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Would anyone do Kemba to the Knicks for Mudiay + Calderon + Hardaway Jr.?

Here was my original post.

BizGilwalker wrote:we pass up the best chance we've had to get a starting shooting guard that can shoot.

What do you mean by this?

We keep 9.

Well, the Knicks wouldn't touch that deal then- not at Kemba's current value, but that does change things a bit.

Kemba for Mudiay is not too outrageous. I can't think of a team that could offer or would be willing to offer a comparable player for pick 4 in this draft. I guess the Nuggets could offer Lawson. If they did, then Mudiay goes 4 and maybe SAC is more motivated to deal pick 6.

MasterIchiro · Post #588 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:00 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:

Let me go ahead and say that I am not okay with any deal that replaces Kemba with another non-shooting PG. That doesn't fix any issue we have with our roster and it only sets us back. Can you imagine this team with even less spacing?

It's terrifying, but we'd be in the top-3 of the lotto next year.

HornetJail · Post #589 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:02 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:

Let me go ahead and say that I am not okay with any deal that replaces Kemba with another non-shooting PG. That doesn't fix any issue we have with our roster and it only sets us back. Can you imagine this team with even less spacing?

It's terrifying, but we'd be in the top-3 of the lotto next year.

Do our players get as injured as much as they did this season? If not, I still think this team without Kemba could win 30-35 games. With all the young talent we have, Al and Hendo in contract years, we'd still be too good to tank. but with no Kemba, we're not competing for the playoffs.

Benjamin Linus · Post #590 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:53 pm

We might be giving up too much in this one, but would you guys trade Kemba and Zeller for the 6th pick and whatever contracts Sacramento can add to make it work?

With the 6th pick we take Mario or Justise and with the 9th we take Payne? Payne-Mario-MKG-Vonleh would be interesting.

chellis20 · Post #591 » by **chellis20** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:54 am

Benjamin Linus wrote:We might be giving up too much in this one, but would you guys trade Kemba and Zeller for the 6th pick and whatever contracts Sacramento can add to make it work?

With the 6th pick we take Mario or Justise and with the 9th we take Payne? Payne-Mario-MKG-Vonleh would be interesting.

If Sactown would consider it (which I doubt they do), I would if and only if we can land Mario. Personally, I don't want to live in mediocrity in the East. The current roster as constructed at best will land you as a fringe playoff team, destined to compete against Cleveland or the #2. I'd rather tear down the team and build it back up. I'm personally really high on Mario and Payne. If we landed those two and only had to give up Kemba and Zeller to do it, then I'd be on board. We aren't competing for a championship, and I know going after prospects isn't a guaranteed thing to be the next OKC, but we really need to re-assess what's going on.

BeesWax · Post #592 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:02 am

Benjamin Linus wrote:We might be giving up too much in this one, but would you guys trade Kemba and Zeller for the 6th pick and whatever contracts Sacramento can add to make it work?

With the 6th pick we take Mario or Justise and with the 9th we take Payne? Payne-Mario-MKG-Vonleh would be interesting.

I would consider it but I prefer Mudiay at 6 otherwise I stand where we are.

Liver_Pooty · Post #593 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:06 am

There's no way I trade Walker and Zeller to get the 6th pick and draft Mario

dmutombo321 · Post #594 » by **dmutombo321** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:09 am

Benjamin Linus wrote:We might be giving up too much in this one, but would you guys trade Kemba and Zeller for the 6th pick and whatever contracts Sacramento can add to make it work?

With the 6th pick we take Mario or Justise and with the 9th we take Payne? Payne-Mario-MKG-Vonleh would be interesting.

I would be on board with something like that, particularly if Sac were amenable to sending back one or both of Thompson and/or Stauskus with the pick.

Resign Mo Williams to mentor Payne, Salary dump big Al to Boston for Wallace's expiring and #28 and use that pick to take a flier on someone highrisk / high reward like Robert Upshaw to replace Biz if we lose him in FA

going forward their future core could look like:

Payne / Mo Williams / Roberts
Mario / PJ
MKG / Hendo / Wallace
Vonleh / Thompson
Hawes / Upshaw

Between Payne, mario, vonleh and Hawes, they'd go from being one of the worst shooting teams in the league to one of the best.

They'd then also have some cap space to add a decent FA next offseason and, likely another lotto pick

MasterIchiro · Post #595 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:11 am

Benjamin Linus wrote:We might be giving up too much in this one, but would you guys trade Kemba and Zeller for the 6th pick and whatever contracts Sacramento can add to make it work?

With the 6th pick we take Mario or Justise and with the 9th we take Payne? Payne-Mario-MKG-Vonleh would be interesting.

I'd trade Kemba + Cody for 6 + McLemore.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #596 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:28 am

I would not trade Kemba for #6. I would consider trading him for #2 or 3. Russell is one of the few players in this draft worth it IMHO.

Liver_Pooty · Post #597 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:41 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Benjamin Linus wrote:We might be giving up too much in this one, but would you guys trade Kemba and Zeller for the 6th pick and whatever contracts Sacramento can add to make it work?

With the 6th pick we take Mario or Justise and with the 9th we take Payne? Payne-Mario-MKG-Vonleh would be interesting.

I'd trade Kemba + Cody for 6 + McLemore.

I'd do that, but walker and Zeller for just the 6 I definitely would not do.

BeesWax · Post #598 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:48 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Benjamin Linus wrote:We might be giving up too much in this one, but would you guys trade Kemba and Zeller for the 6th pick and whatever contracts Sacramento can add to make it work?

With the 6th pick we take Mario or Justise and with the 9th we take Payne? Payne-Mario-MKG-Vonleh would be interesting.

I'd trade Kemba + Cody for 6 + McLemore.

I'd do that, but walker and Zeller for just the 6 I definitely would not do.

I still go Mudiay and Johnson or WCS and Payne though.

Liver_Pooty · Post #599 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:51 am

jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
I'd trade Kemba + Cody for 6 + McLemore.

I'd do that, but walker and Zeller for just the 6 I definitely would not do.

I still go Mudiay and Johnson or WCS and Payne though.

I'd go WCS and Payne.

Payne, MKG, Vonleh, WCS. Now that's a young core that's to be excited about.

MasterIchiro · Post #600 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:55 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd do that, but walker and Zeller for just the 6 I definitely would not do.

I still go Mudiay and Johnson or WCS and Payne though.

I'd go WCS and Payne.

Payne, MKG, Vonleh, WCS. Now that's a young core that's to be excited about.

And McLemore.