Is Karate the ultimate martial art?

[REDDzone]

Again I have no issues with you choosing sambo over judo, I took exception with the no credit comment.

I will say that I think you underestimate how similar the two are. You are judging the differences based on competition rules which is fair but it isn't the only way to look at it. A sport bjj guy looks a lot different playing sport bjj than he does fighting mma, the same goes for judo and sambo as well. Plus no martial art that I'm aware of only trains for competition (although individual dojos/gyms might), with the exception of wrestling, and probably boxing (cbr can chime in if he likes).

[REDDzone]

This is a good discussion though and it makes me want to learn/talk about this stuff more. In terms of, how much striking is really in judo or sambo. Do they train striking? What does the style look like?

What is more "pure" sambo...the sport or the combat? Or is it kind of analogous to jiu jitsu / vale tudo? I don't even think sport sambo allows chokes interestingly enough. So does combat sambo allow chokes (and striking) because its kind of just a cluster with limited rules (see headbutts)? Or do they train chokes regularly in the dojo? If not, when a guy like Fedor is RNC fools in mma, is that a result of his judo cross training?

[Jasen777]

Sport Sambo doesn't allow chokes, but has leg locks that Judo doesn't (I think). Apparently used to have chokes before WW2.

I don't know what they spend time (or how much time) on in training. Though I'd imagine people who compete in combat sambo competitions would certainly need to practice striking and chokes.

Combat Sambo is a relatively recent invention/revival?, so Fedor's chokes might very well have came from his judo training.

[REDDzone]

Judo used to allow leg locks but now competitions don't even allow you to grab below the waist for throws and such.

[JPHolling]

Karate is probably one of the worst answers.

Wrestling
Jiu Jitsu
Boxing
Muay Thai
Kick Boxing
Karate

That would be my order. I've had a few mma fights. a little bit of experience. Its pretty rare for there to be successful karate UFC fighters. Lyoto Machida is one of the few to make it successful.

[Jasen777]

That's from the perspective of having that art as your base (and having some general MMA training before fighting MMA)?

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Now that I think about this, seems like judo would for sure be the correct answer. You control where the fight takes place, but you also know submissions if you take it to the ground.

So yea, judo.

A modern Judo guy stands no chance against an equally expert BJJ guy. He might be able to throw him to just get finally submitted, unless we're on concrete and the throw would somehow KO the BJJ practitioner.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I would consider also Sanshou, as you have the striking AND the wrestling (hence TDD).

[REDDzone]

Now that I think about this, seems like judo would for sure be the correct answer. You control where the fight takes place, but you also know submissions if you take it to the ground.

So yea, judo.

A modern Judo guy stands no chance against an equally expert BJJ guy. He might be able to throw him to just get finally submitted, unless we're on concrete and the throw would somehow KO the BJJ practitioner.

It just depends on where the judo guy trains and where the bjj guy trains. Traditionally this isn't really true, but for the "typical" case nowadays you may be correct.

[Susan]

PRO WRESTLING

[JPHolling]

Now that I think about this, seems like judo would for sure be the correct answer. You control where the fight takes place, but you also know submissions if you take it to the ground.

So yea, judo.

A modern Judo guy stands no chance against an equally expert BJJ guy. He might be able to throw him to just get finally submitted, unless we're on concrete and the throw would somehow KO the BJJ practitioner.

Agreed. Minus Ronda Rousy... she seems to dominate black belts... although her level of judo is much higher

[JPHolling]

PRO WRESTLING

You probably should also have a picture of Josh Barnett.

[Susan]

PRO WRESTLING

You probably should also have a picture of Josh Barnett.

CM Punk is ten times the wrestler that Jake Barnett is.

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