Bellator General Discussion and Info

SDM · Post #1061 » by **SDM** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:19 pm

Kimbo said he wanted to put on weight for td defense.

No matter who wins, I can't wait for this trainwreck.

Cammo101 · Post #1062 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:40 pm

SDM wrote:Kimbo said he wanted to put on weight for td defense.

No matter who wins, I can't wait for this trainwreck.

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Bjorn Rebney. Since Coker took over Bellator has been a side show.

Jasen777 · Post #1063 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:01 pm

I have to wonder how sustainable the Coker model is.

REDDzone · Post #1064 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:13 pm

Jasen777 wrote:I have to wonder how sustainable the Coker model is.

This fight is obviously a freakshow but Coker has signed prospects. What wouldn't be sustainable about it?

Cammo101 · Post #1065 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:27 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Jasen777 wrote:I have to wonder how sustainable the Coker model is.

This fight is obviously a freakshow but Coker has signed prospects. What wouldn't be sustainable about it?

Who exactly? I'd argue Coker released more prospects when he got there than he has signed since. The one thing Bellator used to be loaded with were prospects. Now it seems like a bunch of castoffs and sideshow fights.

Jasen777 · Post #1066 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:55 pm

Well mainly because we've seen Coker run the #2 MMA organization, have it not make money (in part due to signing expensive fighters they ultimately couldn't afford) and have it sold out from under him. Bellator still isn't making money from what I've heard, and it's very doubtful Viacom is going to what to throw more money at it while it isn't. Under Rebney they were at least trying something different (though to be fair they weren't making money either). It's hard for me to see Strikeforce 2.0 working out.

REDDzone · Post #1067 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:00 pm

Jasen777 wrote:Well mainly because we've seen Coker run the #2 MMA organization, have it not make money (in part due to signing expensive fighters they ultimately couldn't afford) and have it sold out from under him. Bellator still isn't making money from what I've heard, and it's very doubtful Viacom is going to what to throw more money at it while it isn't. Under Rebney they were at least trying something different (though to be fair they weren't making money either). It's hard for me to see Strikeforce 2.0 working out.

Wait strikeforce didn't make money? And what do you mean it was sold out from under him?

Jasen777 · Post #1068 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:26 pm

The Death of Strikeforce

Coker: My partners, the Silicon Valley Sports & Entertainment Group, felt like it was time for them to get back to focusing on hockey, their core business. With all our events and the expansion, all their key guys were helping us, and it was just taxing on them as a company. They felt that, for them, it was the right time.

Knapp: (Strikeforce) was losing a bunch of money. That's true. I know it was. They were looking for a new partner or an infusion of cash. It was sold by Scott's partners because they thought it needed to be. It needed something. They were in a position where they needed help or a buyout, and that opened it up for Zuffa.

Shamrock: I know Scott didn't want to sell the company. But his money guys had an aversion to risk. And when we got into the heavyweight tournament with Fedor and the other fighters, we started signing really big checks. They saw a huge investment that was increasing in risk and returning little. And they wanted to get out.

Afromowitz: They are business people. MMA wasn't a passion for them.

Coker: When you have partners you have to be sensitive to their needs as well. They were really good partners to me. (Selling) was the right thing to do. Did I ever think that I wouldn't own the name Strikeforce? No, I never thought that was going to happen.

Cammo101 · Post #1069 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:31 pm

Coker is a nice, likable guy. But, he falls into the same trap as everyone else who goes up against the UFC and fails. Radically overpaying the few decent fighters not under the Zuffa umbrella with no clear path to profit.

Jasen777 · Post #1070 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:33 pm

REDDzone wrote:Shamrock didn't even make the hw lower limit, is the fight okay? Weighed in 204 with his shorts on.

Don't know what commissions do there, could it be a catchweight or open weight? Doesn't make sense that a guy under 205 could fight a HW fight. Of course he could have just put a weight in his shorts. Bellator's web site lists him at 235.

The main event is just 3 rounds I assume?

Cammo101 · Post #1071 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:37 pm

Jasen777 wrote:The main event is just 3 rounds I assume?

Can you imagine what round 5 would look like?

Jasen777 · Post #1072 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:44 pm

Cammo101 wrote:Can you imagine what round 5 would look like?

Well probably someone would be unable to continue due to exhaustion before then. But since they're doing this fight I'd like it to be as bad as possible. Heck, make it unlimited time with no round breaks. (Potentially) historical bad things can be interesting.

REDDzone · Post #1073 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:49 pm

Tito/McGeary for the title, and also a one night four man tourney (Davis/Vassel/Newton/Lawal).

Wow, lol.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/06/bellator-sets-champ-mcgeary-vs-ortiz-announces-four-man-single-night-tourney

Jasen777 · Post #1074 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:07 pm

Sounds fun. (Other than Tito).

SDM · Post #1075 » by **SDM** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:21 pm

I dig Bellator's strategy... there's a market for freakshow fights within MMA. The long term challenge is to strike a balance between being a legitimate organization and a place to tune out for a couple of hours on a Friday and see some semi famous names your mom might recognize. If you go full freakshow, you kill the great fighters you do have. If you compete with UFC's model directly, you're probably going to run out of money playing catch up. I'll sit in the corner and say I like what Coker's doing as a whole even if some of the Tito stuff was just terrible.

They have a very smart strategy with sponsoring Olympic wrestlers and getting their rights when they're done competition. Does UFC do anything similar? They should.

Jasen777 · Post #1076 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:32 pm

I wonder how much Bellator is paying those guys (though I'm willing to assume it's a good strategy for them).

But I don't think the UFC needs to do that. Suppose they both pan out, start 12-0, including winning the title and defending it 4 times? The UFC will just they're nobodies who couldn't make it in the UFC and few would care about the UFC not having them. The UFC would still more fighters than they can promote.

Jasen777 · Post #1077 » by **Jasen777** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:29 am

Straus looks bigger than Chandler.

Jasen777 · Post #1078 » by **Jasen777** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:21 am

Huge robbery by the bell.

REDDzone · Post #1079 » by **REDDzone** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:34 am

Jasen777 wrote:The Death of Strikeforce

Coker: My partners, the Silicon Valley Sports & Entertainment Group, felt like it was time for them to get back to focusing on hockey, their core business. With all our events and the expansion, all their key guys were helping us, and it was just taxing on them as a company. They felt that, for them, it was the right time.

Knapp: (Strikeforce) was losing a bunch of money. That's true. I know it was. They were looking for a new partner or an infusion of cash. It was sold by Scott's partners because they thought it needed to be. It needed something. They were in a position where they needed help or a buyout, and that opened it up for Zuffa.

Shamrock: I know Scott didn't want to sell the company. But his money guys had an aversion to risk. And when we got into the heavyweight tournament with Fedor and the other fighters, we started signing really big checks. They saw a huge investment that was increasing in risk and returning little. And they wanted to get out.

Afromowitz: They are business people. MMA wasn't a passion for them.

Coker: When you have partners you have to be sensitive to their needs as well. They were really good partners to me. (Selling) was the right thing to do. Did I ever think that I wouldn't own the name Strikeforce? No, I never thought that was going to happen.

Thanks for digging this up, I didn't know.

REDDzone · Post #1080 » by **REDDzone** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:40 am

I don't even like bellator tbh. I admit it probably isn't fair, but I just don't hold them to nearly the same standard as the ufc. I despise the ufc bringing in CM Punk, its a joke and embarrassing imo. I wouldn't have sh*t on bellator at all for it though.