Clipper 2015 Offseason

[QRich3]

It will take a pick to get Chandler, they apparently refused offers for him at the deadline that included an expiring + a pick in the 20's. It really scares me what sort of pick Doc is willing to offer. An unprotected pick in 2021 should be able to bring something close to an all-star, like the one the Heat traded for Dragic (they also included a 2018 one but still). If he wastes an unprotected pick like that in a middling player like Chandler, I'm gonna be pretty much done being excited for this team until he's gone.

Patterson is an option I like, it will probably take some sort of pick too (as well as the Raptors committing to a rebuild), but hopefully a more protected one.

[nickhx2]

It will take a pick to get Chandler, they apparently refused offers for him at the deadline that included an expiring + a pick in the 20's. It really scares me what sort of pick Doc is willing to offer. An unprotected pick in 2021 should be able to bring something close to an all-star, like the one the Heat traded for Dragic (they also included a 2018 one but still). If he wastes an unprotected pick like that in a middling player like Chandler, I'm gonna be pretty much done being excited for this team until he's gone.

Patterson is an option I like, it will probably take some sort of pick too (as well as the Raptors committing to a rebuild), but hopefully a more protected one.

I really have to wonder what the hell denver is thinking these days. They obviously can't compete with their lineup, and a new coach and a new draft pick will do nothing to change that. They were asking for two first-rounders for chandler last year, and my guess is they can't even get one for him.

I just don't get them. My hope is that with their new president and new coach they will fully commit to rebuilding, allowing us to pick up cheap and spare parts from their garage sale.

Anyway, we're competing now so i honestly don't hate trading a future unprotected several years down the road. I just don't want it to be a pick that will be in the near future where it will hurt our current window.

[nickhx2]

alsooooooooo, in other news

sounds like jeff green has opted in for the final year of his contract. i wonder if doc had plans to chase after him after taking the option?

he's someone i've never really cared for. kind of a furniture piece who's never done anything well and someone whom i think had the potential to be a jack of all trades glue guy, but never got there. i don't think we even have the assets/matching salary to go after him, but again i just wonder if doc is gonna try for him. he's better than the current non-entity we have at SF, i guess.

[og15]

Going back the the PF thing, maybe a guy like Lavoy Allen wouldn't be bad as another backup big.

People have mentioned Gerald Green, but Hornacek's criticism of him still rings:

“He never really seemed to get it going and then it comes to the point where, if you’re not scoring and if your defense isn’t picking up, it’s hard to stay in the game,” Hornacek said.

“The next guy is going, ‘I needed help here and the guy wasn’t here.’ We’re trying to develop something for the future, not just being out here for everybody to play in the game. We want to get to a top-notch winning level and you’ve got to do it on both sides.” …

It's pretty clear that Green won't be back in Phoenix, but it isn't good to get fooled into thinking a player who has still struggled to bring it consistently on defense all his career will not do it because of Doc's magic that has yet to actually make any player like that do it. Have we not learned out lesson about the high volume "explosive scorers" who don't play defense? Now I know Green has some size and athletic advantages over Jamal that help, but it's the same path that the team would be going down.

Green played 74 games last season, his TS% was >.550 29 times, <.530 40 times, and he took 19.4 FGA/36 minutes. Green might just be one of those guys that does a really good job of fooling you into thinking he's the type of player a team trying to win at a high level needs in a big role.

Still like Harkless, and even with the addition of Scott Skiles, he's still technically behind Harris and Gordon on the depth chart which makes him acquirable.

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I wish actual teams valued Jamal Crawford as much as some NBA fans do. Look at this interesting one that makes the Clippers roster:

Chris Paul / Austin Rivers
J.J. Redick / Lance Stephenson
Small Forward / Small Forward
Blake Griffin / Taj Gibson
DeAndre Jordan / Miles Plumlee

MMLE and minimum to fill the SF spot, and that would be a good off-season

[nickhx2]

A splendid one indeed and a dope ass lineup.

[Quake Griffin]

Chandler is an expiring.

I'm not giving you a pick for a potential one year rental of Wilson Chandler.
dafuq? he's not a superstar.

[nickhx2]

yeah. if denver's still asking for 2 first-rounders for him they're insane. tim connolly's been a disaster for them.

[mttwlsn16]

#bringbackAFA

[mttwlsn16]

I'd gladly give a 1st rounder 5 years from now plus Jamal for Chandler.

[Ranma]

I don't want to start giving away draft picks again no matter how far off into the future they would be. They'll most assuredly end up biting us in the rear and it would only further encourage Doc to not only continue to devalue the draft as a resource but also buy himself out of his mistakes in building the roster. Nobody does less with more than Doc, so if he can't put together a winning team with what he's been handed, throwing away picks is only going to worsen the situation.

[TucsonClip]

Please, no more giving up future assets. Time to ADD future assets, not subtract.

[Quake Griffin]

I didn't know Brandon Bass was a Free Agent.
Played under Doc before.

that guy needs to be in a jersey next year.
if we do a sign and trade do we keep our taxpayer MLE or w/e it is we have?

[nickhx2]

the more i think about it the more i like MD3 for what we need. great shooting, can play that team defense, and will be cheap enough to stopgap for us while we frantically search for our 3 of the future (if that even exists).

i'm hoping we are looking in that direction.

[TucsonClip]

I didn't know Brandon Bass was a Free Agent.
Played under Doc before.

that guy needs to be in a jersey next year.
if we do a sign and trade do we keep our taxpayer MLE or w/e it is we have?

Yes, but we don't have anything Danny Ainge would want. He's a guy we would attempt to taxpayer's MLE on.

[Ranma]

Probably out of our price range, but still worth investigating.

Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo Sports (6/19/15)

Real Madrid’s Sergio Rodriguez, considered the top point guard in Europe, has plans to negotiate a return to the NBA in summer free agency, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Front-office executives regard Rodriguez as an elite backup point guard in the NBA, a playmaker at 6-foot-3 who could successfully run a good team for significant stretches of time.

There is a buyout provision in Rodriguez’s Real Madrid contract, but sources familiar with the agreement say it will not be an obstacle to him signing an NBA deal this summer.
...

Rodriguez was a first-round pick of the Portland Trail Blazers in 2006, playing four seasons in the NBA with stops in Sacramento and New York. Rodriguez returned to Real Madrid of the Euroleague in 2010. His game has consistently grown overseas, and his decision to return to the NBA is already drawing significant interest.

Sources: Top Euroleague Point Guard Planning Return to NBA


Fred Katz, Bleacher Report (6/1/15)

Yep, Rodriguez hasn't played in the NBA since the 2009-10 season, but it's not because of a lack of talent. Actually, the 28-year-old has improved since leaving the league for Real Madrid.

He's a legitimate three-point shooter now (40 percent on 3.3 attempts per game over the past four years). He better understands how to run an offense. He's an aggressive scorer who has become highly efficient and barely missed out on a 50-40-90 season in 2013-14.

The 5 Best Value Free Agents for LA Clippers to Pursue in 2015 Free Agency

[TucsonClip]

I don't see any way we could land him. We don't have enough money and if we signed him for the taxpayer's MLE that would mean letting Austin go (we can offer him $3.1 mil via his rights) or keeping him and playing him at reserve SG, Lance off the bench at SF, hopefully landing Pierce for the minimum and trading Crawford for a PF/C.

I really wanted a reserve PG, but with Lance in the fold I think that option is less likely other than a vet minimum PG.

[nickhx2]

would love sergio. guess i didn't realize it but signing some overseas talent would be one way to help fix our roster.

unfortunately i don't see someone who is that coveted coming to us for so little.

[QRich3]

Yeah I only mentioned a pick because I can see them trading it, but I wouldn't be happy about it at all. Just wanted to make clear that an unprotected pick 6 years down the road form a team with a high probability of having to rebuild around that time is worth a lot. With our luck, that will be the year we land the #1 pick and that trade would send our rebuild back another decade.

Although if we trade a future lottery protected pick that turns into 2nds, like the Milwakee one, I could get behind it if it lands a meaningful player. Not for Wilson Chandler, and sure as hell not to dump a perfectly good player on a small contract like they did with Dudley.

[Mamba24ever90]

I'm a Laker fan, but I'm a little intrigued by what y'all could look like next season. How would you guys feel about this lineup?
PG. Chris Paul/Austin Rivers/Lester Hudson
SG. J.J. Reddick/Jamal Crawford/C.J. Wilcox(If both aren't traded)
SF. Paul Pierce(MLE)/Lance Stephenson/Jordan Hamilton
PF. Blake Griffin/Carlos Boozer(Vet Minimum)/Royce White(If signed to NBA Contract)
C. DeAndre Jordan/Alexis Anjinca/Rookie(Possibly buy 2nd Round Pick)

[nickhx2]

near complete disaster. jamal crawford and carlos boozer are two of the worst defenders in the league and defense is pretty much the only thing the clippers are missing from being a complete team. not to mention that crawford, stephenson, and rivers are very ball hoggy. there is some synergy with stephenson taking the ball away and letting rivers play off the ball where he can't do damage with bad decisions, but throw crawford in there and it's a complete mess. if you think he chucks too fast now, wait until he's got to deal with both cp3 AND lance taking his carries.

replace crawford with a name like mike dunleavy JR to play backup 3 and push pierce to the bench and replace boozer who can defend and the team is feeling extremely good.