Embiid Updates/Discussion

crow · Post #621 » by **crow** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:49 am

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ProcessDoctor · Post #622 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:28 am

Eh, seems like it's just young NBA players excited to play basketball this season. I definitely wouldn't take it as anything official.

Post #623 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:42 am

Maybe Tony used his time off to get an MD and now he's one of the specialists checking Jo's foot out?

ryst · Post #624 » by **ryst** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:10 am

about the doctors
in the last 10 years the Sixers medical teams approved trades or signings of this players:
Webber , Brand and Bynum
I don't have any kind of fate in them based on that list alone

did Hinkie replaced the entire medical team when he came in?
I was under the impression that after the surgery the evaluation and healing process was being done by team medical team , am I wrong?
and if its the same people I just don't trust them

Ericb5 · Post #625 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:23 am

ryst wrote:about the doctors
in the last 10 years the Sixers medical teams approved trades or signings of this players:
Webber , Brand and Bynum
I don't have any kind of fate in them based on that list alone

did Hinkie replaced the entire medical team when he came in?
I was under the impression that after the surgery the evaluation and healing process was being done by team medical team , am I wrong?
and if its the same people I just don't trust them

It is completely unfair to blame the Sixers for anything prior to this ownership group.

As of today, who are these doctors that you are referring to? I don't know any of their names.

It is pretty universally accepted that the Sixers are providing world class medical and sports science care.

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Post #626 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:36 am

ryst wrote:about the doctors
in the last 10 years the Sixers medical teams approved trades or signings of this players:
Webber , Brand and Bynum
I don't have any kind of fate in them based on that list alone

did Hinkie replaced the entire medical team when he came in?
I was under the impression that after the surgery the evaluation and healing process was being done by team medical team , am I wrong?
and if its the same people I just don't trust them

Embiid got his foot surgery before the draft. He's kept the same doctor the entire time. He's gone and seen him every month. Was not a Sixer doctor, the Sixers had literally nothing to do with picking him. He lives in Los Angeles, 3,000 miles away from Philadelphia.

They're now bringing in outside specialists. Again not Sixer doctors.

I can pretty much guarantee these specialists are different than the Webber, Brand, Bynum specialists because Webber and Bynum had knee injuries and Brand had Achilles and Shoulder injuries. So they probably saw knee and achilles and shoulder specialists. Joel obviously had a foot injury so he's probably seeing foot specialists.

Also a much more relevant example than Brand and Webber who happened a decade ago is Nerlens who was hurt just last year and he recovered fine.

Also I REALLY doubt that any of these specialists or "team doctors" (Who just have the Sixers as just one client and are actually senior people at Penn and Jeff who are literally some of the most respected doctors in the world) are just being used by the Sixers, they are probably leading experts in orthopedic surgery, and probably have a sample size significantly larger than 3 dudes over a 10 year period. So if they are quacks I assume they wouldn't keep getting these gigs.

Hope this alleviates your concern.

Unbreakable99 · Post #627 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:44 am

ryst wrote:about the doctors
in the last 10 years the Sixers medical teams approved trades or signings of this players:
Webber , Brand and Bynum
I don't have any kind of fate in them based on that list alone

did Hinkie replaced the entire medical team when he came in?
I was under the impression that after the surgery the evaluation and healing process was being done by team medical team , am I wrong?
and if its the same people I just don't trust them

Yes you are wrong. You are so wrong.

PaulGaston · Post #628 » by **PaulGaston** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:08 am

crow wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:Imagine if you were Hinkie. Basically the 76ers in their present from ride and die with what happens to Embiid. Your job is basically on the line. You have touted this guy as the face of your franchise. You have blatantly tanked one season and the next season it was all about player development.

You have seen one of the best players in the NBA, Kevin Durant, given the green light to come back and play. Only to be sidelined soon afterwards and now he requires extensive surgery, surgery that may have been avoidable, if he was not rushed back, or you did not allow him to rush back. Your star player, who is no KD, but could be a mega star has an injury that is not quite healing the way it should be. But it is healing and he has no pain, wants to play, wants to get out on the court and show what he can do. If money is not an issue and the franchise has already gone through the whole AB trade (center with bad knees or bad feet) its the same thing to most fans. How many specialists would you bring in to take a look at his foot?

If I'm Hinkie I'm going through the who's who of foot surgery and getting every and anyone to check it out. I need a solid consensus.
I'll even resort to a Tarot card reader if I thought it would help me get a clearer picture of what is and is not going on.

If embiid flops, we still have our pick this year, Nerlens, Saric, and next year's pick. It would suck if Joel ends up poorly, but it's not the end of the world.

Here's what I'm curious about... Of the assets you just listed (Nerlens, Saric, Embiid, #3 pick)... how do you rank them? If some bizarre cirumstances came up right now that forced you to give up 3 of those assets right now... which one do you keep? Are you still keeping Embiid even with the news of his injury?... or are you more confident in the other assets?

Los5782 · Post #629 » by **Los5782** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:29 am

PaulGaston wrote:
crow wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:Imagine if you were Hinkie. Basically the 76ers in their present from ride and die with what happens to Embiid. Your job is basically on the line. You have touted this guy as the face of your franchise. You have blatantly tanked one season and the next season it was all about player development.

You have seen one of the best players in the NBA, Kevin Durant, given the green light to come back and play. Only to be sidelined soon afterwards and now he requires extensive surgery, surgery that may have been avoidable, if he was not rushed back, or you did not allow him to rush back. Your star player, who is no KD, but could be a mega star has an injury that is not quite healing the way it should be. But it is healing and he has no pain, wants to play, wants to get out on the court and show what he can do. If money is not an issue and the franchise has already gone through the whole AB trade (center with bad knees or bad feet) its the same thing to most fans. How many specialists would you bring in to take a look at his foot?

If I'm Hinkie I'm going through the who's who of foot surgery and getting every and anyone to check it out. I need a solid consensus.
I'll even resort to a Tarot card reader if I thought it would help me get a clearer picture of what is and is not going on.

If embiid flops, we still have our pick this year, Nerlens, Saric, and next year's pick. It would suck if Joel ends up poorly, but it's not the end of the world.

Here's what I'm curious about... Of the assets you just listed (Nerlens, Saric, Embiid, #3 pick)... how do you rank them? If some bizarre cirumstances came up right now that forced you to give up 3 of those assets right now... which one do you keep? Are you still keeping Embiid even with the news of his injury?... or are you more confident in the other assets?

good question, it's a difficult question to answer. Prolly giving up one of either Embiid or Saric. Obviously because of the injury risk associated with Embiid, if I knew he was going to be healthy, even 65-70% of the time I'd say keep Joel & give up Dario EZ.

Wilfried · Post #630 » by **Wilfried** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:42 am

Eitherway, Embiid is untradeable.

He's too good talentwise, but also, no GM would do a trade for him because he knows we only part ways with Embiid if he's unable to play basketball.

LloydFree · Post #631 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:06 pm

PaulGaston wrote:
crow wrote:If embiid flops, we still have our pick this year, Nerlens, Saric, and next year's pick. It would suck if Joel ends up poorly, but it's not the end of the world.

Here's what I'm curious about... Of the assets you just listed (Nerlens, Saric, Embiid, #3 pick)... how do you rank them? If some bizarre cirumstances came up right now that forced you to give up 3 of those assets right now... which one do you keep? Are you still keeping Embiid even with the news of his injury?... or are you more confident in the other assets?

With the news as it is right now:
1. Embiid (Embiid is still the most important piece)
2. #3 2015 pick
3. Noel
4. 2016 76ers pick
5. 2016 Lakers pick
6. Saric

A few weeks from now, if they say Embiid has to sit out another year:
1. #3 2015 pick
2. 2016 76ers pick
3. Nerlens Noel
4. Joel Embiid
5. 2016 Laker's pick
6. Saric

ryst · Post #632 » by **ryst** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:21 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
ryst wrote:about the doctors
in the last 10 years the Sixers medical teams approved trades or signings of this players:
Webber , Brand and Bynum
I don't have any kind of fate in them based on that list alone

did Hinkie replaced the entire medical team when he came in?
I was under the impression that after the surgery the evaluation and healing process was being done by team medical team , am I wrong?
and if its the same people I just don't trust them

Yes you are wrong. You are so wrong.

I am wrong , fine

please tell me how did sixers medical team approved the Bynum trade after Lakers were doing everything they can to get rid him and Orlando didn't want to touch him because of his injury (and this was the same ownership group)

did the owners approved the trade after the doctors told them not to?
did the doctors told Bynum would be fine?

SexDrugsPnR · Post #633 » by **SexDrugsPnR** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:33 pm

ryst wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
ryst wrote:about the doctors
in the last 10 years the Sixers medical teams approved trades or signings of this players:
Webber , Brand and Bynum
I don't have any kind of fate in them based on that list alone

did Hinkie replaced the entire medical team when he came in?
I was under the impression that after the surgery the evaluation and healing process was being done by team medical team , am I wrong?
and if its the same people I just don't trust them

Yes you are wrong. You are so wrong.

I am wrong , fine

please tell me how did sixers medical team approved the Bynum trade after Lakers were doing everything they can to get rid him and Orlando didn't want to touch him because of his injury (and this was the same ownership group)

did the owners approved the trade after the doctors told them not to?
did the doctors told Bynum would be fine?

who is this sixers medical team you speak of? you really think these are the same guys who said bynum's knees were okay? after all we've seen from hinkie i would be absolutely shocked if he consulted the same doctors who approved of bynum.

Unbreakable99 · Post #634 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:47 pm

ryst wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
ryst wrote:about the doctors
in the last 10 years the Sixers medical teams approved trades or signings of this players:
Webber , Brand and Bynum
I don't have any kind of fate in them based on that list alone

did Hinkie replaced the entire medical team when he came in?
I was under the impression that after the surgery the evaluation and healing process was being done by team medical team , am I wrong?
and if its the same people I just don't trust them

Yes you are wrong. You are so wrong.

I am wrong , fine

please tell me how did sixers medical team approved the Bynum trade after Lakers were doing everything they can to get rid him and Orlando didn't want to touch him because of his injury (and this was the same ownership group)

did the owners approved the trade after the doctors told them not to?
did the doctors told Bynum would be fine?

Who approved getting Jeff Ruland when he couldn't stay healthy? Different people. Just because it's the same organizations doesn't mean we have the same people. Just stop the nonsense. Again, the doctor who did Embiid's procedure isn't with the Sixers. What part of that don't you get? These 3 experts they are bringing in aren't with the Sixers. What part of that don't you get? The one player under the Hinkie regime we drafted who was hurt at the time is Noel. He has been healthy. If you want to go with history you need to start when Hinkie took over.

ryst · Post #635 » by **ryst** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:52 pm

I don't start when Hinkie took over , he is not the owner of this team
I start when the new ownership took over and they did approve the Bynum trade
not everything with the sixers start and end with Hinkie, unless you tell me the owners has nothing to do with the team

I asked before but seems like no one knows, do the sixers have the same medical team who approved the Bynum trade?
and I am not talking about surgery or procedure , I am talking about the medical team who check players before trading or signing them.

I am sorry but this are legit questions

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #636 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:59 pm

This are unnecessarily alarmist nonsense

Post #637 » by **Stanford** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:00 pm

ryst wrote:I asked before but seems like no one knows, do the sixers have the same medical team who approved the Bynum trade?

It's a good question. I doubt it.

Bringing up Webber in this way is like when baseball announcers bring up team vs. team statistics going back 100 years. It's meaningless.

Post #638 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:19 pm

I could be wrong, but my recollection was Philly waived the physical on Bynum.

Post #639 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:21 pm

Whoops!

James40 · Post #640 » by **James40** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:28 pm

Bynums knees weren't great, but neither was his attitude so he took his money and ran to go dance, literally.

Embiid is an entirely different case, Hinkie knew the risk he was taking, if his career is shortened that's on Hinkie, no one else. His back problems he had in highschool and college are more concerning to me than his foot injury. It's not like the NBA court is any softer than a college court, and now he's going to be expected to play a lot more games than ever before, but needing 3 doctors to check his foot is a little alarming.

If he just broke his foot I don't think there would be an issue, or if he just had back fractures that needed rest then fine, but damn he's been injured twice for significant time before he's even stepped on the court for the Sixers, so it's a little frustrating. What really sucks is the shape he was in by the end of the season he looked great, hopefully this "setback" or whatever it is quickly remedied so he can get back to work.