Ed Davis looking for 8-10 mil per yr

[john248]

I'm torn if I'd rather sign him on that range or exercise Hill's option. Seems too high for me. 6-7's more reasonable for me.

At approx the same price, its not even up for debate. I'd take Davis 10/10 times.

Maybe it's just me but I'd want to retain someone who is a two way player. Ed is limited offensively compared to Hill, though he's effective at what he does. Factor in durability and I'm leaning towards Davis. Also, Hill plays PF/C effectively and is a good man defender. Davis gives up a lot of weight but is a good help defender.

I don't even consider Hill a 2 way player. He was absolutely lazy on defense since it was a throw away year. I'd choose Davis without hesitation.

With that said, neither of these players are worth north of $7 mil.

[TyCobb]

Have fun elsewhere, Ed.

[kblo247]

At approx the same price, its not even up for debate. I'd take Davis 10/10 times.

Maybe it's just me but I'd want to retain someone who is a two way player. Ed is limited offensively compared to Hill, though he's effective at what he does. Factor in durability and I'm leaning towards Davis. Also, Hill plays PF/C effectively and is a good man defender. Davis gives up a lot of weight but is a good help defender.

I don't even consider Hill a 2 way player. He was absolutely lazy on defense since it was a throw away year. I'd choose Davis without hesitation.

With that said, neither of these players are worth north of $7 mil.

Only thing hill has going for him is sharing a agent with Okafor, Dragic, and Rondo. Basically the guy we draft, the pg we want, and and the pg we would settle for. The agent has got to find a way to work in a deal with less cash and more years while playing a reserve role if you're hill

[Pointgod]

I agree I rather have Ed back, but Mitch needs not to pull another Mitch and fumble with this like he usually does in the mle territory by giving Ed more years than he deserves like he did Geroge, Sasha, McKie, Walton, Radmanovic, and so on to the point he has to look to use picks to ship them off. I think a 17-20mil deal over 3 years should be where the convo starts and ends. No overpaying for a year like hill or giving out the full 4 years like he used to.

Ed Davis is rather good. Blocks shots, rebounds well and plays excellent pick and roll offense. That's a guy you pay just because even if he doesn't work out he is a trade asset down the road. He was infact one of the very few players on our roster that posted a +ve on both offensive and defensive BPM.

For the millionth time stop throwing around 2008-10 team references and move on.

Ed Davis is competent but on a good team as he has shown he is the fourth rotation big, not the third or a starter. Kufos was in front of him because Kufos was and is better than him both ways. Ed is a good bench piece at the right price and at the right length of time. He however is not a leader, has had no success in the league, and has no clout or real playoff experience. At 3 years and 21 mil, he's worth it, but he's not worth anything past that at all.

And Mitch's past is his past and his track record. If you don't want to rely in that period as a reference, then you may as well have nullified everything you said about an asset, because Mitch 11-15 hasn't created and gotten thing out of an asset in those years. He's gotten nothing, gave out bad deals, and traded away picks on Nash, Dwight, and sessions only for them to walk. Mitch has a habit of giving out bad deals. He had, keyword had a way of correcting them at times, but that hasn't worked since Ariza. He gave out terrible mle deals since the Kobe and Shaq 3 peat and gave out max years to boot to those guys and had to give out picks to get rid of them. He over priced hill this past summer and couldn't flip him for seconds when guys like Prigioni were getting them. He couldn't get a pick out of a team for a leaving Pau Gasol. The fact is he is also the guy who gave Nick his full 4 years available just last summer. He can be very fn bad at length of deals and not getting anything from a "asset" especially in recent years. And for the millionth time get it to register that if you don't know history, and learn from it, you're doomed to repeat the same mistakes

That is why we need to concentrate on actual B guys when and if the max guys say no as our plan a in Love, Dragic, Deandre, Aldridge, and Marc. We can't afford to say **** off and wait Lowry, Lance, Isiah, etc to Monroe, Hibbert, Tyson, Rondo, Green, Carroll, and Deng this summer especially if we want to be seen as competent enough to attract a star and get them to invest in the fact that the laker a have a plan, a path. And aren't the butchered mess who hires bad coaches, signs trash players, and doesn't want to win. We can't simply punt cap space this summer on a bs David Lee deal like with Lin, or giving out bad over priced 1 year rental deals and starting a role player in Ed at 10mil like with Hill, or giving Ellington/Wes a bs deal ala Nick. We need to do better to actually get better and that's on Mitch, byron, and Jimmy. If they fail at it, I won't shed a tear if Jeanie holds that fire them after this summer if they aren't relevant promise over Jimmy's head as she has said she will to all the world

I get what you're saying with the B level players. Are target should be Tobias Harris, but if that fails a better plan would be to use our cap space to take on David Lee and assets and sign some younger players to cost effective value contracts. Locking in guys like KJ Mcdaniels, Jae Crowder, Koufos, Aminu into long term contracts is the type of move that could pay dividends for us when if we actually do end up becoming a playoff team. I think we could make the pitch to the top tier free agents, but lets be honest they have no reason to even come within 100 feet of this team.

[kblo247]

Let's be real here la hasn't played the rfa game since 91, it won't happen for butler, Harris, or Middleton.

Punting cap space for lee is a rehash of the lin trade where we paid 14 mil for a bench player and 27th pick. It makes no sense for us compared to lee joining NY or Phili. We don't maximize our so called assets in reality. So don't punt that space

Mcdaniels, crowder, and aminu aren't even C guys. Lin, Nick, Meeks, and the like we're C guys. The only c guy you listed was Kufos who played a role on a playoff team in Denver and Memphis. McGee, Brewer, and JR Smith are C guys. Aminu, Crowder, kJ are D level guys like Wes, Ellington, Davis, Xavier and the like who can't stay in an actual rotation full time and wash out from team to team. You don't invest in and sign that because one they aren't good at all and two they attract no one.

A - Dragic, Marc, Aldridge, Jordan, Love, LeBron
B - Wade, Deng, Rondo, Hibbert, Tyson, Monroe, Wes Matthews, Danny Green, Carroll
C - JR, Brewer, Lou Williams, Mo Williams, Boozer, Kufos, Asik, Javale McGee, Lin, Hill, Gerald Green
D - Ed Davis, Wes Johnson, Ellington, Beasley
F - camp invites who went undrafted, d league guys

[KeyserRozay]

Great breakdown although I think Lebron is in his own category (A+).

[Mamba Venom]

I'm all for developing young core of Okafor, Randle & Clarkson

Offer the max to a great player to team up w/ our young core.

They should be in line to get the keys to the Lakers Kingdom after Kobe's last season (hopefully he a last 80+ games). Best gig in the NBA IMHO. I want to shake things up. No Hill or Davis for that money.

What great player wastes his prime? And out west as opposed to east like Bron joining Kyrie they would waste it. You need proven B guys in place with said youth to attract a great player. Its essential to get some of these guys because no one, not KD or Russ is wasting their prime on Russell, Clarkson, and who we draft to get it .., there will need to be a foundation of players there who have played, been there, and done that with playoff battles as well

By no means is Okafor, Randle Clarkson as good as Kyrie, Wiggins & TT or Jones, Van Excel & Ceballos, however, once FA notice the young talent's skill its logical that star isn't afraid to 'waste' their prime in LA. I'm really looking forward to having 3 young guys who can BALL! Not all players are afraid to play in the West. That's why there are so many great players in the West.

If Okafor and Randle pan out the Lakers will have a rare opportunity. The current gen has been sleeping on LA as an attractive destination for FA. I'm hoping for a follow up like Farve -> Rodgers, Montana -> Young. I'm hoping Lakers find a way to Lake. Historically thats a good bet.

But you are right too. It prob wont happen until Okafor and Randle show their skill on the court. No major injuries. There are some huge ifs. But Lakers gonna Lake!!! Am I right !?!

[Pointgod]

Let's be real here la hasn't played the rfa game since 91, it won't happen for butler, Harris, or Middleton.

Punting cap space for lee is a rehash of the lin trade where we paid 14 mil for a bench player and 27th pick. It makes no sense for us compared to lee joining NY or Phili. We don't maximize our so called assets in reality. So don't punt that space

Mcdaniels, crowder, and aminu aren't even C guys. Lin, Nick, Meeks, and the like we're C guys. The only c guy you listed was Kufos who played a role on a playoff team in Denver and Memphis. McGee, Brewer, and JR Smith are C guys. Aminu, Crowder, kJ are D level guys like Wes, Ellington, Davis, Xavier and the like who can't stay in an actual rotation full time and wash out from team to team. You don't invest in and sign that because one they aren't good at all and two they attract no one.

A - Dragic, Marc, Aldridge, Jordan, Love, LeBron
B - Wade, Deng, Rondo, Hibbert, Tyson, Monroe, Wes Matthews, Danny Green, Carroll
C - JR, Brewer, Lou Williams, Mo Williams, Boozer, Kufos, Asik, Javale McGee, Lin, Hill, Gerald Green
D - Ed Davis, Wes Johnson, Ellington, Beasley
F - camp invites who went undrafted, d league guys

Good break down. I'd break down group A and B into legitimate all stars(Marc, Aldridge,Jordan,Love, Lebron), above average players(Wade, Deng, Rondo, Hibbert, Tyson, Danny Green and Carroll, Dragic) and young players with potential to develop into an all star (Wes Matthews, Monroe). We aren't getting any player in the all star category so that's a wash. Monroe is someone that we should pursue depending on who we draft and Wes Matthews I'd sign on a short term deal to see how he heals from his injury. That leaves the "established players" Right off the bat I wouldn't sign Green or Carroll because they'd command 10 million plus and they're essentially role players great ones but role players none the less. I don't see Dragic leaving Miami considering the most any team can offer him is 20 per year and at his age I don't see him as a difference maker for the 20 million dollar price. Hibbert, Tyson, Wade and Rondo are really the third piece of the puzzle after you've established gotten 2 established stars. Rondo is a good buy low candidate, but realistically there's no upside with the guys we're looking at. Unless we get extremely luky and either our pick, Clarkson or Randle becomes an all star next year, none of the guys in group B will attract a superstar unless Monroe takes the next step. That's why I'd advocate for signing guys like KJ Mcdaniels whos' only in his 2nd year. The upside for improvement is there, same thing for Koufos who might flourish in a starting role(It woud be interesting to see his advanced stats). David Lee is already a B level type player and getting him along with some assets makes more sense than using that space on Danny Green or Caroll. Lakers can't just keep operating under an antiquated way of thinking. They need to take some risks with restricted free agency. Harris should be prority unless any of group A's agents send out feelers to us. I'm not under any delusions that David Lee and KJ Mcdaniels is attracting any superstar, but we have to be realistic with ourselves and realize that Durant just isn't in the cards next season. We can go for next year's crop of B level free agents and collect assets to make in a trade for an allstar or superstar free agent signing. Overall I'm in agreement with you that we can't have a disasterous off sesaon like last year but our options aren't looking too good.

[DEEP3CL]

Let's be real here la hasn't played the rfa game since 91, it won't happen for butler, Harris, or Middleton.

I agree kblo, that game hasn't suited us all that well. Also in 91 we tendered an offer to Sherman Douglas only to see the Heat match the offer 15 days later.

[kblo247]

I like lee, he's better than Lin, but he's so damn injury prone.

Dragic is a little doable just if we go 17-18 to start compared to miamis 15 w/o taxes. He could and would start here, he's one of the most efficient guards there are and we have w relationship with his agents who clients are Rondo, Okafor, Hill, Reggie Jackson, and Nash.

If Miami goes in and maxes Dragic, I really would look at wade just because he's a guy who I think could teach these guys and play at a high level especially with something to prove. Paying Wade and then using what's left of the cap space on a wing like Gerald Green and signing McGee to the room would suffice and still be better than last year.

We have to have something though ... I mean Wade, Gerald Green, Okafor, McGee isn't a terrible offseason and trumps last year IMO

But ideally we hit on Dragic ... If not you go for two of group B ... Rondo and Deng ... Tyson and Deng ... Rondo and Hibbert ... Green and Carroll even to lock down the perimeter and space the floor with their 3 ball while Kobe playmakes and you bring Clarkson off the bench along with Nick

[kblo247]

Great breakdown although I think Lebron is in his own category (A+).

He is and isn't IMO. His talent level is, what comes attached to him with his wanting to be GM and coach isn't. I mean you take him if you can get him obviously, but it takes another very strong will to balance him

[kblo247]

Wes Matthews was on his way to a huge pay day before he got hurt. He was probably the best swingman free agent there was outside Bron. He was shooting great, defended well, was a post up converter, and could play 2/3. His injury makes him a buy low candidate IMO, but if he got most of what he had back, he's a steal

[Pointgod]

I like lee, he's better than Lin, but he's so damn injury prone.

Dragic is a little doable just if we go 17-18 to start compared to miamis 15 w/o taxes. He could and would start here, he's one of the most efficient guards there are and we have w relationship with his agents who clients are Rondo, Okafor, Hill, Reggie Jackson, and Nash.

If Miami goes in and maxes Dragic, I really would look at wade just because he's a guy who I think could teach these guys and play at a high level especially with something to prove. Paying Wade and then using what's left of the cap space on a wing like Gerald Green and signing McGee to the room would suffice and still be better than last year.

We have to have something though ... I mean Wade, Gerald Green, Okafor, McGee isn't a terrible offseason and trumps last year IMO

But ideally we hit on Dragic ... If not you go for two of group B ... Rondo and Deng ... Tyson and Deng ... Rondo and Hibbert ... Green and Carroll even to lock down the perimeter and space the floor with their 3 ball while Kobe playmakes and you bring Clarkson off the bench along with Nick

Now see Wade is an interesting option but we had better sign a defensive wing because him and Kobe on the perimeter with Okafor holding down the middle is sounds like a defensive recipe for disaster. I think him and Miami get a deal done though. He's wanting his Kobe contract after he's taken a pay cut and I believe eventually they'll give it to him. I'm still not buying that we could land Dragic unless he absolutely wants to come to the Lakers and only the Lakers. Considering that Miami could trump any offer that any other team makes, it would have to be a Dwight Howard situation and all things considered I think we got the best part of that deal.

Other than that your combinations of group B all look like treadmill solutions. Although Rondo and Hibbert would make sense defensively if we draft Russell and can find a versatile defensive specialist at the 4.

I think if we come away with additional assets and don't waste our cap resigning our own players we've already surpassed last offseason.

[Dmanning2]

Goodbye Eddie

[kblo247]

It would be damn hard to be as bad as last offseason ...

[Fresh360Waves]

Ed Davis and Okafor playing next to each other does sound like a solid front court however.

[kblo247]

Ed Davis and Okafor playing next to each other does sound like a solid front court however.

Good god at when they get hacked and take free throws

[MAMBAEMD]

Definitely not worth 8-10 mil a year.
I'd be surprised if anybody gives him that much.
But if they do, see you around Ed.

[Fresh360Waves]

Ed Davis and Okafor playing next to each other does sound like a solid front court however.

Good god at when they get hacked and take free throws

Yeah that's true. I think Okafor could improve his free throws and Davis can too if he works at it.