ORL/76ers

[tiderulz]

I see the potential in Gordon but do question if he is a SF or PF, if he's the defender they need next to Vucevic and his outside shot. If I'm Orlando I take this and run and draft the major upside of Porzingis as I think he could be a near perfect fit next to Vucevic.

Payton
Oladipo
Winslow #5
Porzingis #3
Vucevic

Wow

That said...I don't get it for Philly and not sure how much more they would need.

in today's NBA, he can be either SF or PF, depending on the need. That is what we seem to be moving to. Porzingis upside could be good, or there is a list of Euro's that have failed to develop too.

There's an even bigger list of American college kids that have failed.
As for the tweener label, seems you already have and could keep one in Harris and given your commitment to Vucevic isn't it important to have the right compliment at PF?

Gordon has defensive impact that Harris wont. And if Gordon grows just a little bit, he will definitely move into the PF spot. But again, the game is moving to fluid lineups, not strict positional ones. there is a big list of tweeners that failed, but not many had the defensive skills that AG has

[youngcrev]

I like Gordon more than most non-Magic fans, but no way is he worth the 3rd pick in the draft. Interesting that some Magic fans value him higher than Oladipo though.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I like Gordon more than most non-Magic fans, but no way is he worth the 3rd pick in the draft. Interesting that some Magic fans value him higher than Oladipo though.

I admit that Gordon's potential is greater than Oladipos which could in some eyes translate to having higher value but as today and current production I'm almost positive Oladipo is valued higher around the league in regards to current value.

[mksp]

#3 for #5 + ORL 2016 1st (Top-3 Protected?) makes too much sense for both franchises.

Porzingis makes all the sense in the world for Orlando, bringing much needed shooting and shot-blocking.

Payton-Oladipo-Gordon-Porzingis-Vucevic is actually an intriguing core. I don't think Orlando can afford to come out of this draft without a shooter. They can take Hezonja, but playing him at SF and Gordon at PF means you have two undersized guys on the wing.

Philly doesn't mind trading back because the glut of big men, can take whoever Hinkie prefers out of the Mudiay-Hezonja-Winslow trio, all of whom project to start on the 2016 team.

I suppose ORL can sit there at #5 and hope Porzingis falls, but I think Hinkie may believe Porzingis is the 3rd-best player in the draft and would take him anyway, or trade back with SAC or DEN.

[tiderulz]

#3 for #5 + ORL 2016 1st (Top-3 Protected?) makes too much sense for both franchises.

Porzingis makes all the sense in the world for Orlando, bringing much needed shooting and shot-blocking.

Payton-Oladipo-Gordon-Porzingis-Vucevic is actually an intriguing core. I don't think Orlando can afford to come out of this draft without a shooter. They can take Hezonja, but playing him at SF and Gordon at PF means you have two undersized guys on the wing.

Philly doesn't mind trading back because the glut of big men, can take whoever Hinkie prefers out of the Mudiay-Hezonja-Winslow trio, all of whom project to start on the 2016 team.

I suppose ORL can sit there at #5 and hope Porzingis falls, but I think Hinkie may believe Porzingis is the 3rd-best player in the draft and would take him anyway, or trade back with SAC or DEN.

no it doesnt. not mortgaging our future for the possibility of Porzingis. I actually would prefer either Hezonja, WCS or trading back.

as for taking Hezonja and playing him at SF and Gordon at PF. What wing are you saying is undersized? Hezonja is 6'8. that isnt undersized at SF.

If we had to move up, the only pick i would offer is the one owed to us by LA.

[j-ragg]

I'd rather take Winslow than deal with Philly again. I hope Rob feels the same way.

Pick whoever the f you want.

[HartfordWhalers]

#3 for #5 + ORL 2016 1st (Top-3 Protected?) makes too much sense for both franchises.

Porzingis makes all the sense in the world for Orlando, bringing much needed shooting and shot-blocking.

Payton-Oladipo-Gordon-Porzingis-Vucevic is actually an intriguing core. I don't think Orlando can afford to come out of this draft without a shooter. They can take Hezonja, but playing him at SF and Gordon at PF means you have two undersized guys on the wing.

Philly doesn't mind trading back because the glut of big men, can take whoever Hinkie prefers out of the Mudiay-Hezonja-Winslow trio, all of whom project to start on the 2016 team.

I suppose ORL can sit there at #5 and hope Porzingis falls, but I think Hinkie may believe Porzingis is the 3rd-best player in the draft and would take him anyway, or trade back with SAC or DEN.

no it doesnt. not mortgaging our future for the possibility of Porzingis. I actually would prefer either Hezonja, WCS or trading back.

as for taking Hezonja and playing him at SF and Gordon at PF. What wing are you saying is undersized? Hezonja is 6'8. that isnt undersized at SF.

If we had to move up, the only pick i would offer is the one owed to us by LA.

Russell (or Okafor???) for #5 and the LAL pick isn't a bad basis. It would need Philly to feel pretty indifferent between Russell and whoever is left that they get at #5, while Orlando pays the price to get a guy that is going #4 definitely if not #3.

[mksp]

#3 for #5 + ORL 2016 1st (Top-3 Protected?) makes too much sense for both franchises.

Porzingis makes all the sense in the world for Orlando, bringing much needed shooting and shot-blocking.

Payton-Oladipo-Gordon-Porzingis-Vucevic is actually an intriguing core. I don't think Orlando can afford to come out of this draft without a shooter. They can take Hezonja, but playing him at SF and Gordon at PF means you have two undersized guys on the wing.

Philly doesn't mind trading back because the glut of big men, can take whoever Hinkie prefers out of the Mudiay-Hezonja-Winslow trio, all of whom project to start on the 2016 team.

I suppose ORL can sit there at #5 and hope Porzingis falls, but I think Hinkie may believe Porzingis is the 3rd-best player in the draft and would take him anyway, or trade back with SAC or DEN.

no it doesnt. not mortgaging our future for the possibility of Porzingis. I actually would prefer either Hezonja, WCS or trading back.

as for taking Hezonja and playing him at SF and Gordon at PF. What wing are you saying is undersized? Hezonja is 6'8. that isnt undersized at SF.

If we had to move up, the only pick i would offer is the one owed to us by LA.

Russell (or Okafor???) for #5 and the LAL pick isn't a bad basis. It would need Philly to feel pretty indifferent between Russell and whoever is left that they get at #5, while Orlando pays the price to get a guy that is going #4 definitely if not #3.

I don't think a 2018 LAL pick is worth moving back two spots.

If ORL wants to be stubborn because they got hijacked last year, that's fine, but I don't think it's necessarily rational thinking - the Elf deal is a sunk cost, so to speak, what matters is which move ORL can make today to make themselves better.

But whatever, I'm happy taking Russell or Mudiay or Porzingis at #3 as well.

[mksp]

#3 for #5 + ORL 2016 1st (Top-3 Protected?) makes too much sense for both franchises.

Porzingis makes all the sense in the world for Orlando, bringing much needed shooting and shot-blocking.

Payton-Oladipo-Gordon-Porzingis-Vucevic is actually an intriguing core. I don't think Orlando can afford to come out of this draft without a shooter. They can take Hezonja, but playing him at SF and Gordon at PF means you have two undersized guys on the wing.

Philly doesn't mind trading back because the glut of big men, can take whoever Hinkie prefers out of the Mudiay-Hezonja-Winslow trio, all of whom project to start on the 2016 team.

I suppose ORL can sit there at #5 and hope Porzingis falls, but I think Hinkie may believe Porzingis is the 3rd-best player in the draft and would take him anyway, or trade back with SAC or DEN.

no it doesnt. not mortgaging our future for the possibility of Porzingis. I actually would prefer either Hezonja, WCS or trading back.

as for taking Hezonja and playing him at SF and Gordon at PF. What wing are you saying is undersized? Hezonja is 6'8. that isnt undersized at SF.

If we had to move up, the only pick i would offer is the one owed to us by LA.

Hezonja is faaaaaar more interesting of a prospect as a 6'8" SG that can shoot the lights out and finish above the rim, than an average- to under- sized SF. Just my opinion.

[tiderulz]

#3 for #5 + ORL 2016 1st (Top-3 Protected?) makes too much sense for both franchises.

Porzingis makes all the sense in the world for Orlando, bringing much needed shooting and shot-blocking.

Payton-Oladipo-Gordon-Porzingis-Vucevic is actually an intriguing core. I don't think Orlando can afford to come out of this draft without a shooter. They can take Hezonja, but playing him at SF and Gordon at PF means you have two undersized guys on the wing.

Philly doesn't mind trading back because the glut of big men, can take whoever Hinkie prefers out of the Mudiay-Hezonja-Winslow trio, all of whom project to start on the 2016 team.

I suppose ORL can sit there at #5 and hope Porzingis falls, but I think Hinkie may believe Porzingis is the 3rd-best player in the draft and would take him anyway, or trade back with SAC or DEN.

no it doesnt. not mortgaging our future for the possibility of Porzingis. I actually would prefer either Hezonja, WCS or trading back.

as for taking Hezonja and playing him at SF and Gordon at PF. What wing are you saying is undersized? Hezonja is 6'8. that isnt undersized at SF.

If we had to move up, the only pick i would offer is the one owed to us by LA.

Hezonja is faaaaaar more interesting of a prospect as a 6'8" SG that can shoot the lights out and finish above the rim, than an average- to under- sized SF. Just my opinion.

6'8" is pretty average for SF. never heard Lebron called undersized at SF.

[HornetJail]

I think Orlando could include #5 in this deal and the OPs deal and the 76ers would still decline

[Trader_Joe]

in today's NBA, he can be either SF or PF, depending on the need. That is what we seem to be moving to. Porzingis upside could be good, or there is a list of Euro's that have failed to develop too.

There's an even bigger list of American college kids that have failed.
As for the tweener label, seems you already have and could keep one in Harris and given your commitment to Vucevic isn't it important to have the right compliment at PF?

Gordon has defensive impact that Harris wont. And if Gordon grows just a little bit, he will definitely move into the PF spot. But again, the game is moving to fluid lineups, not strict positional ones. there is a big list of tweeners that failed, but not many had the defensive skills that AG has

I thought Gordon's highest defensive potential was as a SF/his versatility?
IMO Porz has a higher ceiling on O and as a shot blocker who can play along side or behind Vucevic.

Also, it seems you have a bias against the Euros from a couple posts here but..
A. There are more Euros in the NBA than ever
B. Scouting is better than ever and more extensive. Its financed much more and the internet has helped.
C. They play against a higher level of competition than college kids IMO
D. They play longer against this competition
E. College kids are playing inferior competition that has been weakened by all the one and zones
F. The top college prospects usually only have a year of college

Point is...I think we're seeing and will continue to see less and less Euro busts like Darko or Veseley, where perhaps we will see more college busts instead like a Beasley or Derrick Williams. The riskier Euros will be second round draft and stash where you have years to wait if wanted.

[mksp]

no it doesnt. not mortgaging our future for the possibility of Porzingis. I actually would prefer either Hezonja, WCS or trading back.

as for taking Hezonja and playing him at SF and Gordon at PF. What wing are you saying is undersized? Hezonja is 6'8. that isnt undersized at SF.

If we had to move up, the only pick i would offer is the one owed to us by LA.

Hezonja is faaaaaar more interesting of a prospect as a 6'8" SG that can shoot the lights out and finish above the rim, than an average- to under- sized SF. Just my opinion.

6'8" is pretty average for SF. never heard Lebron called undersized at SF.

I mean, comparing anybody to Lebron is silly, but Lebron has 50 lbs of muscle on Hezonja.

[sixerswillrule]

Hezonja is faaaaaar more interesting of a prospect as a 6'8" SG that can shoot the lights out and finish above the rim, than an average- to under- sized SF. Just my opinion.

If he turns out to be a star player then it won't matter if he plays SG or SF.

[tiderulz]

There's an even bigger list of American college kids that have failed.
As for the tweener label, seems you already have and could keep one in Harris and given your commitment to Vucevic isn't it important to have the right compliment at PF?

Gordon has defensive impact that Harris wont. And if Gordon grows just a little bit, he will definitely move into the PF spot. But again, the game is moving to fluid lineups, not strict positional ones. there is a big list of tweeners that failed, but not many had the defensive skills that AG has

I thought Gordon's highest defensive potential was as a SF/his versatility?
IMO Porz has a higher ceiling on O and as a shot blocker who can play along side or behind Vucevic.

Also, it seems you have a bias against the Euros from a couple posts here but..
A. There are more Euros in the NBA than ever
B. Scouting is better than ever and more extensive. Its financed much more and the internet has helped.
C. They play against a higher level of competition than college kids IMO
D. They play longer against this competition
E. College kids are playing inferior competition that has been weakened by all the one and zones
F. The top college prospects usually only have a year of college

Point is...I think we're seeing and will continue to see less and less Euro busts like Darko or Veseley, where perhaps we will see more college busts instead like a Beasley or Derrick Williams. The riskier Euros will be second round draft and stash where you have years to wait if wanted.

i dont have a bias against Euros, im just not a believer in Porzingis. I actually want us to take Hezonja, a Euro.

[tiderulz]

Hezonja is faaaaaar more interesting of a prospect as a 6'8" SG that can shoot the lights out and finish above the rim, than an average- to under- sized SF. Just my opinion.

6'8" is pretty average for SF. never heard Lebron called undersized at SF.

I mean, comparing anybody to Lebron is silly, but Lebron has 50 lbs of muscle on Hezonja.

thought we were talking about height when saying he would be "undersized" at the position.

[Dcebucks11]

I think Orlando could include #5 in this deal and the OPs deal and the 76ers would still decline

naw

[BadWolf]

I believe magic should trade one of Dipo or Elf, probably Dipo. Who would take him in the lottery, maybe with some sweetener? NY? Nuggets? I don't really see a market between lottery teams for a ball dominant off guard that can't shoot. Draft Winslow in that case.
Payton Winslow Harris Gordon Vuc...
Anyway, they sit pretty well where they are, a very nice player that fits well will fall in their lap.

[gumbyr24]

Yikes A Gordon is wayyyyy overrated. The rose colored glasses need to be taken off
until he actually does something on the court.

[Sixteen]

I think Orlando could include #5 in this deal and the OPs deal and the 76ers would still decline

naw

Yes