The #2 Pick

ChrispShots · Post #1441 » by **ChrispShots** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:27 am

EArl wrote:What are you guys thoughts on Mitch looking to get Cousins? Is he worth the Lakers 2nd?

Definitely worth it. Only thing is Kings would want more assets (Randle/Clarkson/picks) which wouldn't make it worthwhile for us.

Michael Lucky · Post #1442 » by **Michael Lucky** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:11 am

ChrispShots wrote:
EArl wrote:What are you guys thoughts on Mitch looking to get Cousins? Is he worth the Lakers 2nd?

Definitely worth it. Only thing is Kings would want more assets (Randle/Clarkson/picks) which wouldn't make it worthwhile for us.

Hence why you don't push all in at this point and let the kings leverage fall over the next couple of years which inevitably happens with all teams that keep their disgruntled stars around (well unless your player owns everything about the team from plays called on the court to top level of management decisions - Lebron).

dipstick · Post #1443 » by **dipstick** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:23 am

Michael Lucky wrote:
ChrispShots wrote:
EArl wrote:What are you guys thoughts on Mitch looking to get Cousins? Is he worth the Lakers 2nd?

Definitely worth it. Only thing is Kings would want more assets (Randle/Clarkson/picks) which wouldn't make it worthwhile for us.

Hence why you don't push all in at this point and let the kings leverage fall over the next couple of years which inevitably happens with all teams that keep their disgruntled stars around (well unless your player owns everything about the team from plays called on the court to top level of management decisions - Lebron).

True. We are not at the point wherein Cousins can come and we automatically become contenders. Won't happen. Even if we rape the Magic and Kings and end up getting the 6th pick without giving up Randle and Clarkson, we still won't be contenders. We will have a future but not contenders.

But realistically, we will have to give up Randle and/or Clarkson. That's why I'm not for this. We do have a building block but we end up taking 2 steps back. Instead of having possibly at least 3 pieces for the future, we end up with 1, who may end up bolting in a few years if we don't build the proper pieces around him. Remember that we still don't have next year's pick. I'd rather develop our 3 guys into assets. If they don't end up as stars, then at least they would become more valuable trade assets than they are now.

moonpie · Post #1444 » by **moonpie** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:14 am

3 days out, my top 30:

1-D'angelo Russell
2-Karl Anthony Towns
3-Jahlil Okafor
4-Willie Cauley Stein
5-Mario Hezonja
6-Justise Winslow
7-Kristaps Porzingis
8-Emmanuel Mudiay
9-Stanley Johnson
10-Frank Kaminsky
11-Myles Turner
12-Trey Lyles
13-Cameron Payne
14-Jerian Grant
15-Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
16-Sam Dekker
17-Kevon Looney
18-Devin Booker
19-Kelly Oubre
20-Montrezl Harrell
21-Delon Wright
22-Justin Anderson
23-Tyus Jones
24-RJ Hunter
25-Bobby Portis
26-Branden Dawson
27-Joseph Young
28-Guillermo Hermangomez
29-Rashad Vaughn
30-Mouhammadou Jaiteh

LFAHFN22 · Post #1445 » by **LFAHFN22** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:40 am

Kilroy wrote:I think Cousins is really over-rated and stat inflated right now. That said if you can get Cousins and the 6th, without giving up Clarkson or Randle, it's a good deal for us... I think Ok4 is going to surpass Cousins, but if you add the 6th, it gives us a chance at a better core.

Why do you think it'd be remotely possible to get Cousins and the number six for trash and the number two? If we could get Cousins for Randle and the number two, you'd have to give that some very serious consideration. I'd personally hold on to the number two and select Okafor, based purely on the difference in salary, but once again, you'd have to strongly consider it. What you're talking about is such a pipe dream, though. If we could swap picks with them and get Cousins for Randle, THAT would be a very good, however unlikely, deal.

ArC_man · Post #1446 » by **ArC_man** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:44 pm

Porzingis measurements:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/613163586706407425[/tweet]
Yikes!

Penberthy · Post #1447 » by **Penberthy** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:14 pm

dipstick wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:
ChrispShots wrote:
Definitely worth it. Only thing is Kings would want more assets (Randle/Clarkson/picks) which wouldn't make it worthwhile for us.

Hence why you don't push all in at this point and let the kings leverage fall over the next couple of years which inevitably happens with all teams that keep their disgruntled stars around (well unless your player owns everything about the team from plays called on the court to top level of management decisions - Lebron).

True. We are not at the point wherein Cousins can come and we automatically become contenders. Won't happen. Even if we rape the Magic and Kings and end up getting the 6th pick without giving up Randle and Clarkson, we still won't be contenders. We will have a future but not contenders.

But realistically, we will have to give up Randle and/or Clarkson. That's why I'm not for this. We do have a building block but we end up taking 2 steps back. Instead of having possibly at least 3 pieces for the future, we end up with 1, who may end up bolting in a few years if we don't build the proper pieces around him. Remember that we still don't have next year's pick. I'd rather develop our 3 guys into assets. If they don't end up as stars, then at least they would become more valuable trade assets than they are now.

2016:
Clarkson
Mario
Durant
Randle
Cousins

That is not a contender?

ROballer · Post #1448 » by **ROballer** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:18 pm

ArC_man wrote:Porzingis measurements:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/613163586706407425[/tweet]
Yikes!

Dude could end up 7'3 if he grows a little more....**** me

Lakeristic · Post #1449 » by **Lakeristic** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:25 pm

http://streamable.com/rf3i

Wavy Q · Post #1450 » by **Wavy Q** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:28 pm

Lakeristic wrote:http://streamable.com/rf3i

I'm **** dead :rofl:

ROballer · Post #1451 » by **ROballer** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:30 pm

Lakeristic wrote:http://streamable.com/rf3i

son of a bitch :rofl:

Post #1452 » by **Slava** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:39 pm

I'd seen that on twitter last night :rofl:

moonpie · Post #1453 » by **moonpie** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:47 pm

2 days out, my first round mock 1.0:

1. Wolves-Karl Anthony Towns
2. Lakers-D'angelo Russell
3. Sixers-Jahlil Okafor
4. Knicks-Emmanuel Mudiay
5. Magic-Kristaps Porzingis
6. Kings-Willie Cauley Stein
7. Nuggets-Mario Hezonja
8. Pistons-Justise Winslow
9. Hornets-Stanley Johnson
10. Heat-Frank Kaminsky
11. Pacers-Cameron Payne
12. Jazz-Devin Booker
13. Suns-Myles Turner
14. Thunder-Trey Lyles
15. Hawks-Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
16. Celtics-Sam Dekker
17. Bucks-Jerian Grant
18. Rockets-Tyus Jones
19. Wizards-Kelly Oubre
20. Raptors-Cedi Osman
21. Mavericks-Kevon Looney
22. Bulls-RJ Hunter
23. Blazers-Bobby Portis
24. Cavs-Jonathan Holmes
25. Grizzlies-Montrezl Harrell
26. Spurs-Christian Wood
27. Lakers-Justin Anderson
28. Celtics-Chris McCullough
29. Nets-Jarell Martin
30. Warriors-Cliff Alexander

Kalidogg24 · Post #1454 » by **Kalidogg24** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:20 pm

Jah looking ripped nowadays!

#NoHomo

dipstick · Post #1455 » by **dipstick** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:12 pm

Penberthy wrote:
dipstick wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:Hence why you don't push all in at this point and let the kings leverage fall over the next couple of years which inevitably happens with all teams that keep their disgruntled stars around (well unless your player owns everything about the team from plays called on the court to top level of management decisions - Lebron).

True. We are not at the point wherein Cousins can come and we automatically become contenders. Won't happen. Even if we rape the Magic and Kings and end up getting the 6th pick without giving up Randle and Clarkson, we still won't be contenders. We will have a future but not contenders.

But realistically, we will have to give up Randle and/or Clarkson. That's why I'm not for this. We do have a building block but we end up taking 2 steps back. Instead of having possibly at least 3 pieces for the future, we end up with 1, who may end up bolting in a few years if we don't build the proper pieces around him. Remember that we still don't have next year's pick. I'd rather develop our 3 guys into assets. If they don't end up as stars, then at least they would become more valuable trade assets than they are now.

2016:
Clarkson
Mario
Durant
Randle
Cousins

That is not a contender?

What? Our premise in our posts was that it wasnt happening without giving up clarkson and/or randle. And I doubt they are giving up 6. If that were the deal obvious no brainer. Even without the 6, id do 2 for cousins. But its not gonna happen.

PKABOOICU · Post #1456 » by **PKABOOICU** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:17 pm

If we select jahlil okafor (2), justin anderson (27), and robert upshaw (34)....we win the draft.

LApwnd · Post #1457 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:24 pm

League sources saying phi willing to trade up to #2 to ensure Russell. ....i say why not....either a 1st next yr (mia or okc) or our 2016 pick back

PKABOOICU · Post #1458 » by **PKABOOICU** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:30 pm

LApwnd wrote:League sources saying phi willing to trade up to #2 to ensure Russell. ....i say why not....either a 1st next yr (mia or okc) or our 2016 pick back

i don't think they need to...

the top 3 picks are pretty much set in stone imo

LApwnd · Post #1459 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:32 pm

TheSpecialist wrote:
LApwnd wrote:League sources saying phi willing to trade up to #2 to ensure Russell. ....i say why not....either a 1st next yr (mia or okc) or our 2016 pick back

i don't think they need to...

the top 3 picks are pretty much set in stone imo

If they want it why not indulge them? Lol

rzzzzz · Post #1460 » by **rzzzzz** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:07 pm

LApwnd wrote:
TheSpecialist wrote:
LApwnd wrote:League sources saying phi willing to trade up to #2 to ensure Russell. ....i say why not....either a 1st next yr (mia or okc) or our 2016 pick back

i don't think they need to...

the top 3 picks are pretty much set in stone imo

If they want it why not indulge them? Lol

Philly fans want Russell. Hinkie wants BPA. Whether he kept him or used him to shake down the Knicks and/or the Magic, Sam would be all smiles taking Okafor.

Who do we pick