[Woj] George Karl wants to trade DeMarcus Cousins

[zimpy27]

Are Kings making finals in the next few years?

They timed their jump wrong and they surrounded Cousins with the wrong players. They messed up.

Trading Cousins isn't a mistake, it's actually a way to have a do over with high picks and a selection of players.

Hard pill to swallow though

Hes only 24 not exactly past his prime or in it for that matter

Yeah he's still young. I didn't mean he was passed his prime, I was referring to his free agency.

[Kings2013]

if true screw Karl

[RIPskaterdude]

He literally just signed his extension two seasons ago and still has 3 years left...

[Slava]

Oh boy, you aren't really making this any easy on yourselves.

[City of Trees]

Fire Karl on the grounds of being insubordinate. Vlade has already warned him publicly to know his his place, Kings want to keep Cousins.



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[Ballerhogger]

I wonder who Karl wants to bring in to replace cousins?

he probably wants a guard to run his fast tempo offense .

[Ballerhogger]

Fire Karl on the grounds of being insubordinate. Vlade has already warned him publicly to know his his place, Kings want to keep Cousins.



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fire him now then indeed. Cousins doesn't really fit his offense . Maybe he wants to trade for Clarkson and randle plus 2nd rounder for fast paced young team?

[Han Solo]

Cousins for #2

[JellosJigglin]

Fire Karl on the grounds of being insubordinate. Vlade has already warned him publicly to know his his place, Kings want to keep Cousins.



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fire him now then indeed. Cousins doesn't really fit his offense . Maybe he wants to trade for Clarkson and randle plus 2nd rounder for fast paced young team?

To me Randle is untradeable, but he's the perfect run and gun PF. Guy can rebound, push the ball up the floor and bully his way in the paint. If he develops 3 point range he'll be an all-star.

[Ballerhogger]

Fire Karl on the grounds of being insubordinate. Vlade has already warned him publicly to know his his place, Kings want to keep Cousins.



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fire him now then indeed. Cousins doesn't really fit his offense . Maybe he wants to trade for Clarkson and randle plus 2nd rounder for fast paced young team?

To me Randle is untradeable, but he's the perfect run and gun PF. Guy can rebound, push the ball up the floor and bully his way in the paint. If he develops 3 point range he'll be an all-star.

Randle is tradeable i rather have sure star in cousins than randle.

[City of Trees]

Cousins for #2

Not enough

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[dc]

Woj is done with me, first the anti Vivek narrative post PDA and now this

Woj is the best reporter in the league, and at the moment it's not really close. Unless he has some personal vendetta (like that time with Lebron's decision) , he's the NBA's most accurate and connected reporter.

[Birdie]

I don't understand why Karl is considered some kind of grand pooba type coach? In 26 seasons, he's been to ONE NBA Finals and 3 Conf. Finals with a sh*t ton of 1st rd exits. He's the Melo of coaches. (Sorry Melo lovers, I apologize for that shot, it was uncalled for. )

The lame has been fired by 4 teams, 1 resignation and 1 left for a better contract/$$$.

He's had his share of handling mercurial/"super"star athletes throughout his tenure, i.e. A.I., Melo, Kemp, Payton, Prime Ray Allen.

You're gonna tell me he can't handle Boogie? You just want to "give" away a Top 3 front court player in the NBA/Top 15 player overall because you can't get along with him? ON TOP of the fact, Boogie's contract gonna look like peanuts in 1-2 years time.

Suck it up Karl or see the door. If I were Vivek, Karl has to go. Go throw some cash at Mark Jackson/JVG/Thibs. This was just utterly stupid of Karl, imo. Crazy.

[Ballerhogger]

Cousins for #2

Not enough

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yea randle plus clarkson and probably our 27th pick hope we don't have give up 27th pick is enough

[G35]

If they don't want Cousins, this is the perfect time to sell high.

Of course, why the **** wouldn't you want him though? Karl is a moron.

Kings wins in the last 7 years:

2009 - 17
2010 - 25
2011 - 24
2012 - 22
2013 - 28
2014 - 28
2015 - 29

What I don't understand is why everyone is acting like Cousins is some kind of savior. He hasn't shown he is a difference maker on the level of Lebron, Durant, or Davis. Anthony Davis went to a worse situation than the Kings and he has his team on the cusp of being a 50 win team in the West. Look at the Pelicans win totals since Davis came on board:

2013 - 27
2014 - 34
2015 - 45

Now these are not apples to apples situations but can anyone legitimately say Monty Williams is a better coach than any of the past Kings coach's or that the Pelicans have significantly better talent than the Kings? Plus it is not as is Demarcus does not come with his own issues on the court as well. I do not see Cousins name anywhere leading in the advanced metrics, if you are making an argument for Cousins it's based purely on PPG and REB.

Demarcus is not found in the top 20 in the following:

VORP
WS (offensive nor defensive)
DRtg
ORtg

He is 10th in Def +/-, 15th in Box +/-, 3rd in USG, 16th in Block %, 4th in REB%, 7th in PER.

Now his production is pretty good, but his USG is high as hell so he should have the counting stats. What is more telling is what impact does that have on the rest of the team? Offensively the Kings were 14th in offense (not overly talented but middle of the road team), but on defense where big men should have the most impact the Kings are 27th in defense.

Cousins doesn't help the offense by turning the ball over 4.3 times a game which is nearly double of any other King and he is 2nd in the NBA in that category behind Russell Westbrook and ahead of Lebron. In fact you do not find another big man with that many TOV until you get to Josh Smith who turned the ball over 2.5 times. Then Demarcus can't stay on the court because he is the league leader in fouls at 4.1 a game, the only player in the league who fouls at least 4 times a game. The next highest is crazy Larry Sanders at 3.9 fouls.

So I get where some people hear the name "Demarcus Cousins" and assume oooooohhh talented big guy, you have to do everything to keep him happy. Yet in this perimeter oriented NBA Cousins style of play is not where the game is trending. He isn't like Davis who can play inside and out and defend in a multitude of ways. I'm not even going to get into his attitude which is tolerable at best and detrimental/devisive at worst.

Also I think the Kings would take the #2 pick or young talent if they had the time to develop them but management feels they need to put a winning producto on the court this season. Then be playoff contenders the following seasons to keep fans paying for the high priced tickets for the new arena. The Kings are in a tough situation, they need to win now but everyone is not on the same page. They need to start from scratch and build around a young talent like the Thunder/Pelicans have done. Personally, I don't see Cousins ever being a winner, he is a worse Dwight Howard imo, better offense, worse defense and a crappy attitude.......

[pelifan]

Am I the only one who think the Lakers leaked this?

[Ballerhogger]

Am I the only one who think the Lakers leaked this?

yes

[Cyrusman122000]

Im sure Im in the minority, but I feel Cousins is overrated. He's the Carmelo Anthony of big men. A lot of talent, but whiney attitude, and no team success to go along with that talent. Not one playoff appearance in 5 years, of even close to sniffing the playoffs. Not a leader by any means either.

[Higga]

Coaches should not have a say in personnel. They're almost always wrong.

[skywalker33]

So the Kings have two choices

1. Fire Karl (Brian Shaw is still available I hear )

2. Trade Cousins, but you'll never see fair value for him, you've seen some low-ball offers now, wait until he asks for a trade !!