[Woj] George Karl wants to trade DeMarcus Cousins

[jbk1234]

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fire him before its too late

As several thousand Nuggets fans chant "give him another chance, give him another chance.."

[Birdie]

If they don't want Cousins, this is the perfect time to sell high.

Of course, why the **** wouldn't you want him though? Karl is a moron.

Kings wins in the last 7 years:

2009 - 17
2010 - 25
2011 - 24
2012 - 22
2013 - 28
2014 - 28
2015 - 29

What I don't understand is why everyone is acting like Cousins is some kind of savior. He hasn't shown he is a difference maker on the level of Lebron, Durant, or Davis. Anthony Davis went to a worse situation than the Kings and he has his team on the cusp of being a 50 win team in the West. Look at the Pelicans win totals since Davis came on board:

2013 - 27
2014 - 34
2015 - 45

Now these are not apples to apples situations but can anyone legitimately say Monty Williams is a better coach than any of the past Kings coach's or that the Pelicans have significantly better talent than the Kings? Plus it is not as is Demarcus does not come with his own issues on the court as well. I do not see Cousins name anywhere leading in the advanced metrics, if you are making an argument for Cousins it's based purely on PPG and REB.

Demarcus is not found in the top 20 in the following:

VORP
WS (offensive nor defensive)
DRtg
ORtg

He is 10th in Def +/-, 15th in Box +/-, 3rd in USG, 16th in Block %, 4th in REB%, 7th in PER.

Now his production is pretty good, but his USG is high as hell so he should have the counting stats. What is more telling is what impact does that have on the rest of the team? Offensively the Kings were 14th in offense (not overly talented but middle of the road team), but on defense where big men should have the most impact the Kings are 27th in defense.

Cousins doesn't help the offense by turning the ball over 4.3 times a game which is nearly double of any other King and he is 2nd in the NBA in that category behind Russell Westbrook and ahead of Lebron. In fact you do not find another big man with that many TOV until you get to Josh Smith who turned the ball over 2.5 times. Then Demarcus can't stay on the court because he is the league leader in fouls at 4.1 a game, the only player in the league who fouls at least 4 times a game. The next highest is crazy Larry Sanders at 3.9 fouls.

So I get where some people hear the name "Demarcus Cousins" and assume oooooohhh talented big guy, you have to do everything to keep him happy. Yet in this perimeter oriented NBA Cousins style of play is not where the game is trending. He isn't like Davis who can play inside and out and defend in a multitude of ways. I'm not even going to get into his attitude which is tolerable at best and detrimental/devisive at worst.

Also I think the Kings would take the #2 pick or young talent if they had the time to develop them but management feels they need to put a winning producto on the court this season. Then be playoff contenders the following seasons to keep fans paying for the high priced tickets for the new arena. The Kings are in a tough situation, they need to win now but everyone is not on the same page. They need to start from scratch and build around a young talent like the Thunder/Pelicans have done. Personally, I don't see Cousins ever being a winner, he is a worse Dwight Howard imo, better offense, worse defense and a crappy attitude.......

Nailed it,I like Cousins game but he has issues and isn't a top ten or even fifteen player in the league.People around here are acting like he's LeBron,Davis,Curry,Durant...ect If I had to pick between a HOF coach that always gets his teams into the playoffs(yes I know he get KO'ed way to much in the 1st round) or a big man thats talented but has issues and never has won in the NBA that right now with good contract and is getting into his prime can land me a player or players that can help me win now and also has the upside to be as good as the player I am trading out or even better I move him.

Problem is, SAC most likely isn't going to receive those "win now" type players in return if they even entertain moving Boogie. I think it's pretty unfair to say "he hasn't won anything in the NBA" narrative just because he's been on a bad team. Sometimes, you're just placed in a bad situation and nothing goes right.

KLove is best case of this "hasn't won/done anything but put up empty stats on a bad team" story. Kyrie to an extent as well. Just because these guys weren't leading their teams to the NBA playoffs or beyond doesn't necessarily mean they aren't "talented" individuals when compared to some of their peers that might get more shine because they've been more successful.

Is Damian Lillard a better player than Kyrie because Lilliard got his team to the playoffs quicker? Well, we can continue playing this winner/loser narrative with numerous other players as well. Look at John Wall as a great example as well. AD falls in this boat too. He barely made the playoffs in his 4th year. There might be a chance he doesn't even make it back next year because of how brutal the West is or he'll be forever teetering as a 8th/9th seed type team despite his beast-like play. That necessarily doesn't diminish the fact that AD is a "premier" player. Boogie is a Top 3-5 frontcourt player in the league, period. There is no debating that. He has the skills, moves, intangibles that just don't come out of nowhere as frequently. Just because he might have a piss poor attitude doesn't discount the impact, if he were on a good team, to take advantage and maximize those gifts. Clearly, in Sactown, they've been a steaming pile of garbage since they drafted him.

They looked pretty damn good before Boogie got mono and they quick fired Malone, so, if anything, I'd put the onus on the fact Vivek running a shoddy operation. Big guys like Boogie don't grow on trees as often, so, if I were 29 other teams, you know you'd kill to have him on your team until he actually flamed out or got with the program to succeed. IMO, well worth the risk as opposed to when everyone thought Bynum was the 2nd coming of Wilt. In Bynum's case, he had a lot of red flags that indicated something was missing up there. In Boogie's case, I think the losing/being jerked around by SAC has worn on him these past years. In the right environment, I think he could blossom to an even more unstoppable force where all he has to do is his job.

[Magic_Johnny12]

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fire him before its too late

Do it George!

Either Kurt Helin is the biggest troll on planet earth or Sacramento really don't deserve to have talent like Boogie.

[cpower]

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fire him before its too late

yeah it was horrible. he might as well give up Cousins for nothing.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Lawson, Faried, and #7 for Cousins?

lol someone end the madness already. The homie Vivek needs to come out and say something.

[Goon]

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fire him before its too late

Maybe this was Denver's master plan all along haha. Fire Karl, hire Shaw and gain a decent pick, Karl sneaks into another team, disrupts their best player, then forces a trade that sends him to Denver. Then gets himself fired so he earns double salary after he is again hired by Denver.

Masterpiece.

[Cactus Jack]

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fire him before its too late

yeah it was horrible. he might as well give up Cousins for nothing.

The Nuggets owner must still be writing him checks.

[Italian Job]

That's why I take Cousins over Karl 1'000 times out of 100. LOL at whoever said that Karl may be right.

Desiring players who fit his scheme better is something, but trading a legit top15 player (world champ with the national team, All Star, All Nba 2nd teamer) for freakin' Lawson (a good PG who is being shopped with some baggage - the DUI stuff... don't even start me with "Cousins is immature" and that stuff... In that regard Ty has much more serious troubles) and Faried is on a whole another level.

Mike Malone may be the happiest man in the world of bball if that's the case.

[King4Day]

I'd love to see the Suns make a run at him. This article gives some insight on what it could take.

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2015/06/23/how-the-phoenix-suns-can-get-demarcus-cousins/

[swyftdahoe]

Love for Cousins!!!!! And whatever fillers to make it work.

I don't see why Love would agree to that trade but.. it's pretty intriguing to me!

[BigFatBob]

Trade Cousins to the Pistons for Drummond

[Run PDX]

So, effectively, George Karl wants to trade the Sacramento Kings for the Denver Nuggets... Hmm...

[MistyMountain20]

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fire him before its too late

[keshmoney]

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[perezident]

Kings beat writer Aliene Viosin tweeted..she just spoke to a frustrated Divac and he said "he is not trading Cousins"

[Bubstubbler]

Love/Mozgov for Cousins

[Jkam31]

Now we got morons in here thinking cousins isn't a top 10 player. Funny stuff


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[StocktonShorts]

That's why I take Cousins over Karl 1'000 times out of 100. LOL at whoever said that Karl may be right.

Desiring players who fit his scheme better is something, but trading a legit top15 player (world champ with the national team, All Star, All Nba 2nd teamer) for freakin' Lawson (a good PG who is being shopped with some baggage - the DUI stuff... don't even start me with "Cousins is immature" and that stuff... In that regard Ty has much more serious troubles) and Faried is on a whole another level.

That is not a good trade for the Kings; I don't think the value is particularly close, but I do think you've cherry picked some odd data to support your argument.

If being a world champ on the national team is so great for Cousins (first thing you list), then why isn't it even more significant for Faried? Cousins played 14 minutes for that team off the bench, but Faried started every game and played over 21 minutes/game.

Ty Lawson's DUI troubles are indeed troubling, but that is definitely an off-the-court issue. Cousins, on the other hand, seems to have ON COURT maturity issues. I'm not sure which is worse -- they're both bad in different ways -- but I don't get why so many people are quick to sweep Cousins' detrimental behavior under the rug and/or blame it on someone else.

Let me be clear: I don't think it's a fatal flaw; guys with similar issues have had Hall-of-Fame caliber careers, but I do think it's something you have to consider and it makes him an imperfect fit for some teams.

[StocktonShorts]

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If true, I'd love to be at training camp day 1.

[Italian Job]

I put the accomplishments in cronological order, not taking in consideration their value.

All NBA; All Star; Gold Medalist. This is the correct ranking.

You won't get a player who actually belongs in the first 2 categories I mentioned, nor even they have that potential with that trade.

They're who they are, and their value together it's simply not even close to a single DMC.

To me, off-court issues are much worse, because for those you need a psychologist, not just a coach/mentor. You can ruin your life with off-court troubles, with on-court, not so much. It can be something that just delays (or completely negates) the ascension to stardom (which has happened in the case of DMC, considering the amount of talent he has).

He's not a perfect fit everywhere of course, or a guy who can single-handedly change the course of a franchise like LeBron, but again I don't see many players outside of the very first tier of guys who have the potential to be so good, with the current production he's been bringing to the table.

We've seen that he's coachable, with Malone in Sacto, Thibs/coach K at team USA (you can find a lot of praise by the coaches themselves). And referring to the aspect that he was coming off the bench, you should appreciate the fact that he was willing to come off the bench while clearly a superior player to Faried (starter because of the better fit in international play), and was very important, very efficient and dominant in the gold medal game.