Buy or Sell: 8th & 38th and future 1st & 2nd rd pick for

Webbdog · Post #1 » by **Webbdog** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:41 pm

Gordon Hayward, Trey Burke and Grant Jerret.

The Penguin · Post #2 » by **The Penguin** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:46 pm

Sell! Yuck

Post #3 » by **theBigLip** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:50 pm

Hezonja or WInslow might become as good as Gordon, and they will have rookie scale contracts for the next several years, saving us enough money to get another free agent or two. Especially the future first - that one hurts.

Post #4 » by **dVs33** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:32 pm

I'm not a fan of trading future picks and especially not for that package.

El Chivo · Post #5 » by **El Chivo** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:37 pm

stay put and draft one between Hezonja, Winslow, WCS if healthy and Stanley Johnson.

no need to break eggs this time.

rmfc · Post #6 » by **rmfc** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:39 pm

8 for Gordon Hayward

Ghost · Post #7 » by **Ghost** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:05 pm

El Chivo wrote:stay put and draft one between Hezonja, Winslow, WCS if healthy and Stanley Johnson.

no need to break eggs this time.

That's pretty much where I am.

Pharaoh · Post #8 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:50 pm

Deal is essentially Hayward for #8 & a future 1st...

Hell Yeah!

Ain't no way Utah does this

BIG BEN'S FRO · Post #9 » by **BIG BEN'S FRO** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:19 pm

I don't think we are going to win a championship with Drummond as our only (hopefully) superstar. If we don't draft one, we probably won't get one. IMO we should be the ones stockpiling high picks, not giving them away. GH isn't going to get us there, along with what will probably be only an average pick.

The Penguin · Post #10 » by **The Penguin** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:22 pm

BIG BEN'S FRO wrote:I don't think we are going to win a championship with Drummond as our only (hopefully) superstar. If we don't draft one, we probably won't get one. IMO we should be the ones stockpiling high picks, not giving them away. GH isn't going to get us there, along with what will probably be only an average pick.

I completely agree with this line of thinking, problem is some guys are afraid Dre will want to walk if we don't start winning and are desperate to get swept by Cleveland due to our playoff drought.

BIG BEN'S FRO · Post #11 » by **BIG BEN'S FRO** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:34 pm

He may want to leave regardless of what we do. Maybe WCS is a better pick than we think if he does want to go since he is an insurance policy (assuming he is healthy). This waiting sucks, that all I know.

DBC10 · Post #12 » by **DBC10** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:40 pm

BIG BEN'S FRO wrote:He may want to leave regardless of what we do. Maybe WCS is a better pick than we think if he does want to go since he is an insurance policy (assuming he is healthy). This waiting sucks, that all I know.

That's basically what happened with Monroe, Dre was likely drafted to be our insurance too. If we truly go that route, I'd rather see us completely bottom out to nab a top 3 pick so we stop this nonsense of drafting in the same spot over and over again.

Definition of insanity, etc etc.

coordinator0 · Post #13 » by **coordinator0** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:45 pm

I would say the chances of Van Gundy offering Drummond a true max offer to stick around are pretty high. From what we've heard Monroe wasn't going to get anything close to that kind of money from the Pistons. That's a pretty big difference if true.

Laimbeer · Post #14 » by **Laimbeer** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:03 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Deal is essentially Hayward for #8 & a future 1st...

Hell Yeah!

Ain't no way Utah does this

Yeah people are sleeping on Hayward here. We hope our pick will be as good as him someday. No way Utah does it.

Pharaoh · Post #15 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:07 pm

It boggles my mind that people aren't willing to pony up for a quality young SF, locked up long term, capable of initiating the offense, can be a go to guy.

As if we're gonna get anything close to Hayward in free agency or the Draft

BIG BEN'S FRO · Post #16 » by **BIG BEN'S FRO** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:06 am

It's not that I don't like GH. I do, but we aren't going to win anything without a superstar or 3. Even the warriors who built their team so creatively still had a true MVP player. What's the point of having an average team all the time? We have been doing this for years and it seems it annually earns us a late lotto pick. It's just harder to hit on a superstar from there. It's just a philisophical difference we have Pharaoh. I just don't think we can win a championship without hitting rock bottom or making trades to get top lotto picks. I would love to have another 2004 but that's so hard to repeat. It's what made that team so special, but so difficult to reconstruct.

Blkbrd671 · Post #17 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:33 am

Negative ghostrider. If we were in a Win now mode, i'd strongly consider it, but as SVG said, we aren't in a rush nor sacrificing our future to win now. Though we will try to win as much as possible.

Pharaoh · Post #18 » by **Pharaoh** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:36 am

IMO getting Hayward wouldn't sacrifice the future. He's young enough.

The question is if Drummond, Hayward & RJ would be good enough in 2 years time to be contenders from the East.

If you think yes then you'd do the deal.

If you think no you say no

Personally I don't think Utah would even entertain the thought

Post #19 » by **Snakebites** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:44 am

25 year old small forward who scores nearly 20 ppg, can shoot and make plays?

Don't teams jealously hoarde draft picks because they have a small percentage chance of yielding a player of that quality down the road?

The cost gives me some pause, I won't lie about that. But I'm surprised some people are so dismissive of a move like this.

And honestly, I don't even want to talk about Drummond's plans right now. If we believe he's leaving like Monroe did (which is possible) then we might as well quit and go home. This team is on an endless treadmill of suckitude. Don't go down that road of thought until we have to.