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Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

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Which three guys would you most like to draft if they are there at 13?

Kevon Looney
23
11%
Devin Booker
18
9%
Myles Turner
38
18%
Frank Kaminsky
48
23%
Trey Lyles
13
6%
Bobby Portis
15
7%
Willie Cauley-Stein
18
9%
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
9
4%
Stanley Johnson
17
8%
Montrezl Harrell
9
4%
 
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Post#2321 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:49 am

And another good article from today....a small tidbit...click link for whole story....
As Porzingis walked into the gym, he was immediately greeted by Kyle Lowry, who had trained with Porzingis last summer at Impact. “Everybody’s coming to see you,” Lowry said. “I told them last year you would be a top-six pick. Make me look good.”

We’ll see how solid a talent evaluator Lowry is. With representatives from the top five teams in the NBA draft in attendance, it was the first time many top execs would be able to draw a direct comparison between Porzingis and Turner, a player of similar size and ability who was ESPN’s no. 2 recruit behind Jahlil Okafor in last year’s high school senior class. But drills are run in isolation; whatever competitive tension the players felt was internal. It was 50 minutes to give guys like Flip Saunders, Phil Jackson, and Stan Van Gundy anecdotal knowledge of Porzingis, to help them confirm (or reject), with their own eyes, what their international scouts have been telling them for the past year.

The murmurs of Porzingis finding his way up the big boards of the top three teams predated his pro day, but they erupted into frenzy once video of the workouts surfaced. Lakers at no. 2? Sixers at no. 3? Does he actually have a case for no. 1?


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/notalleuros-the-perfect-storm-behind-kristaps-porzingiss-rise/
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2322 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:54 am

Just another tid bit why I mentioned Hibbert...

With Roy Hibbert, especially how he bothers Lebron James penetration ability.
I have my reasons.... Elite Rim protection... so players like Harden, Lebron, Curry etc... will have trouble getting shots up inside.
Cousins will average 13 rebounds in any case, so Hibbert's 6 rebounds a game will not be too much of a bad thing.

If Bogut is available I rather have him, he can pass better and similar rim protection but not available.
Chandler will stick with Mavericks or chase rings, so he isnt a realistic option... Hibbert by the sound of things, can be had very cheaply. Used correctly... as in a rim protector.... can be the difference against the Rockets, Cavs etc who have players who can break down defenses. Thats my reasoning...



Also, regarding RHJ.... if Suns are serious about him... they can probably get a pick 16-20 and get him there.. Instead of using Pick 13... where there are better needs and higher ceiling guys might be available.
I do like his passing ability... reads plays well....
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2323 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:02 am

1UPZ wrote:Just another tid bit why I mentioned Hibbert...

With Roy Hibbert, especially how he bothers Lebron James penetration ability.
I have my reasons.... Elite Rim protection... so players like Harden, Lebron, Curry etc... will have trouble getting shots up inside.
Cousins will average 13 rebounds in any case, so Hibbert's 6 rebounds a game will not be too much of a bad thing.

If Bogut is available I rather have him, he can pass better and similar rim protection but not available.
Chandler will stick with Mavericks or chase rings, so he isnt a realistic option... Hibbert by the sound of things, can be had very cheaply. Used correctly... as in a rim protector.... can be the difference against the Rockets, Cavs etc who have players who can break down defenses. Thats my reasoning...



Also, regarding RHJ.... if Suns are serious about him... they can probably get a pick 16-20 and get him there.. Instead of using Pick 13... where there are better needs and higher ceiling guys might be available.
I do like his passing ability... reads plays well....


Please take this into the offseason thread. Indy is desperately trying to get rid of Hibbert and hopes he doesn't opt in for a reason. He doesn't really fit into today's nba. He is too slow, and also is kind of a headcase. Once upon a time he was pretty good, but not so much lately.
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Post#2324 » by DRK » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:27 am

Can someone outline for me the infatuation with Kaminsky? Not long ago he wasnt even projected as a NBA Prospect, then one season later suddenly he's Lottery Potential?

It's easy to dominate the college game when you are 7'2 with some skills, and playing against 6'8 guys most nights. Can he replicate that against NBA talent? He's skilled yes, but he's also 2-3 years older than most other big men prospects we are looking at - thats 2-3 years more time honing skills in the gym.

Kaminsky does not excite me at all, and I have alot of trouble seeing how his offensive game can translate to the pro's, where the defence is much tougher, physical, and smarter.

However, if we are looking at drafting a slower, worse defending and shooting Channing Frye at #13, by all means go ahead.
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Post#2325 » by carey » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:29 am

Come play our mock draft contest if you feel like it. Winner just gets bragging rights. I won one year and I promise I didn't lord it over everyone for 364 days or anything. :p

http://www.phx-suns.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=747
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Post#2326 » by StarMaker » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:43 am

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25222636/report-kings-demarcus-cousins-asked-for-a-trade-a-month-ago
Report: Kings' DeMarcus Cousins asked for a trade a month ago...Cousins and Karl reportedly haven't spoken since April.


This is the moment McDonough all the time said he is looking for. Go get Cousins. No matter what we lose, we have to get him. Show your ability. This is your time, McDonough. If the GM can't acquire him, I will be really disappointed and say McDonough is just a bluffer.

But I hope we hold Alex Len because I want to see the next version of Randolph and Gasol duo. If we trade Bledsoe, Morris brothers, 13th pick, Tucker, future picks to Kings for Cousins and some, we just do resign Knight. And then we get Khris Middleton in the FA Market.

PG : Knight, 44th pick
SG : Middleton, Goodwin
SF : Warren, Granger
PF : Cousins, Alec Brown
C : Len, Wright

We will be able to go into Playoff games with this roster.
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Post#2327 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:53 am

DRK wrote:Can someone outline for me the infatuation with Kaminsky? Not long ago he wasnt even projected as a NBA Prospect, then one season later suddenly he's Lottery Potential?


If you have to ask, there is nothing anyone can tell you to get you to understand.
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2328 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:56 am

DRK wrote:Can someone outline for me the infatuation with Kaminsky? Not long ago he wasnt even projected as a NBA Prospect, then one season later suddenly he's Lottery Potential?

It's easy to dominate the college game when you are 7'2 with some skills, and playing against 6'8 guys most nights. Can he replicate that against NBA talent? He's skilled yes, but he's also 2-3 years older than most other big men prospects we are looking at - thats 2-3 years more time honing skills in the gym.

Kaminsky does not excite me at all, and I have alot of trouble seeing how his offensive game can translate to the pro's, where the defence is much tougher, physical, and smarter.

However, if we are looking at drafting a slower, worse defending and shooting Channing Frye at #13, by all means go ahead.


Well, if they were committed to immediately competing, I think he is very skilled. I actually noticed him after a huge game where he hit a bunch of 3's early in his Jr year and scored like 45 and I thought "who is this guy?" and pulled up his profile and saw he was like 7 ft and blocked shots....so I thought "where is he projected in the draft?" and looked and he wasn't on any mock for 2014 or 2015. I thought that was odd. Then of course he slowly moved up.

I watched him kill AZ last year in the tourney...the dude has skills. Does he have NBA upside? I don't know, but he is a smart player and can shoot 3s and play well in the post. Can he be a good defender and will those offensive skills translate to the NBA? I don't know...if he is open at the 3 pt line, yes, but with his short wingspan, he won't be shooting over many people like Porzingis could. But he is smart, has skills, and could contribute immediately. But his upside might not be huge. He did improve a ton the last two years though and seems like a hard worker. I think he is a guy that could definitely help a deep team who wants to contend and has vets. At this point, I'm not sure he makes sense for us though.

I'm hoping we can move up, but I am not sure who I would take at 13. If he is there, I might take him, at a minimum for trade value. Looney or Portis might make more sense, but I don't think Portis has huge upside and there is the asthma worry with Looney. If Turner is there, I think he should probably be the pick, but there on concerns with him too. Maybe taking a guy like Booker makes sense, or trading down, picking up an asset for doing so, and drafting RJ Hunter or Christian Wood.
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Post#2329 » by StarMaker » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:58 am

DRK wrote:Can someone outline for me the infatuation with Kaminsky? Not long ago he wasnt even projected as a NBA Prospect, then one season later suddenly he's Lottery Potential?

It's easy to dominate the college game when you are 7'2 with some skills, and playing against 6'8 guys most nights. Can he replicate that against NBA talent? He's skilled yes, but he's also 2-3 years older than most other big men prospects we are looking at - thats 2-3 years more time honing skills in the gym.

Kaminsky does not excite me at all, and I have alot of trouble seeing how his offensive game can translate to the pro's, where the defence is much tougher, physical, and smarter.

However, if we are looking at drafting a slower, worse defending and shooting Channing Frye at #13, by all means go ahead.


Don't underrate him.

Look at Draymond Green. He was also a graduate. He played against players who are 2-3 years younger than him, played against 6'8guys most nights as well when he was a senior. And then now he is DPOY runner-up this season and contributes a lot to winning NBA Final.

I don't think we can judge him like that because he is a graduate and he is old.
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Post#2330 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:02 am

I don't like Kaminsky because I think he's delusional. He actually wrote he hates Anthony Davis because people think he's better than him. As if there isn't a person alive who doesn't KNOW Davis is better than him. There's a difference between confidence, irrational confidence, and straight up lunacy. I hope we get Turner or Portis for that and other reasons. But I do think Kaminsky is a good fit for our team.
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Post#2331 » by saintEscaton » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:13 am

Anybody> Harrell or Grant at 13 ( Portis is stretching it and Looney has enough upside and intriguing skill set to warrant being selected in the late lotto but still worries me and im not sold). Frank the Tank will most likely peak as a rotational Stretch 4 but his floor is still probably a more well rounded Frye. His ceiling would probably be Olynk without the ball skills but better defense, rebounding, passing instincts, release/touch and perimeter shooting abilities. Although he has solid footwork and a repertoire of primary/secondary post moves he lacks length and would needs to add a lot of upper body strength and bulk to bang down low against NBA bigs, something his frame probably wont hold up without compromising his mobility. Kinda reminds of Mehmet Okur in some ways. Blast from the past
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2332 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:28 am

AtheJ415 wrote:I don't like Kaminsky because I think he's delusional. He actually wrote he hates Anthony Davis because people think he's better than him. As if there isn't a person alive who doesn't KNOW Davis is better than him. There's a difference between confidence, irrational confidence, and straight up lunacy. I hope we get Turner or Portis for that and other reasons. But I do think Kaminsky is a good fit for our team.


Can you please give me that quote in its entire context. I like to do that before I pass judgement and call someone irrational and delusional. I am willing to bet, you are taking it out of context to stir up hatred for Kaminsky... :wink:
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Post#2333 » by ATTL » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:37 am

I don't rememberer everyone being so divided on who we picked last year.
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Post#2334 » by saintEscaton » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:37 am

JMac1 wrote:
DRK wrote:Can someone outline for me the infatuation with Kaminsky? Not long ago he wasnt even projected as a NBA Prospect, then one season later suddenly he's Lottery Potential?


If you have to ask, there is nothing anyone can tell you to get you to understand.


I'm not even the biggest fan of Frank the Tank and I agree that shallow analysis/dismissals without studying tape from both sides is not helpful. I've outlined my criticisms and positive evaluations in previous posts. If we pass on other more promising boom or bust prospects for him I would be disappointed but he's not a stiff
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Post#2335 » by SunsFanSSOL » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:38 am

I hate Kaminsky's face tbh. :lol:

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But that's not why I think we shouldn't draft him. He's unathletic, small wingspan, old, arrogant, low ceiling, Channing Frye 2.0, and just a boring pick. The Kendall Marshall of this draft, good college career that won't translate to the NBA. It doesn't surprise me however that he'd be a popular player in Phoenix.
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Post#2336 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:42 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:I hate Kaminsky's face tbh. :lol:

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But that's not why I think we shouldn't draft him. He's unathletic, small wingspan, old, arrogant, low ceiling, Channing Frye 2.0, and just a boring pick. The Kendall Marshall of this draft, good college career that won't translate to the NBA. It doesn't surprise me however that he'd be a popular player in Phoenix.


Wow! I didn't know Kendall Marshall was player of the year in college and Channing Frye could pass, face-up, and had a post game :o
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Post#2337 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:43 am

OK, I added Stanley Johnson just in case he is there, so if he would be a top 3 choice, switch your votes! I replaced Dekker with him, since he had the least number of votes.
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Post#2338 » by DirtyDez » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:50 am

Some scout apparently compared Prizzy to KG?
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Post#2339 » by DRK » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:56 am

StarMaker wrote:
DRK wrote:Can someone outline for me the infatuation with Kaminsky? Not long ago he wasnt even projected as a NBA Prospect, then one season later suddenly he's Lottery Potential?

It's easy to dominate the college game when you are 7'2 with some skills, and playing against 6'8 guys most nights. Can he replicate that against NBA talent? He's skilled yes, but he's also 2-3 years older than most other big men prospects we are looking at - thats 2-3 years more time honing skills in the gym.

Kaminsky does not excite me at all, and I have alot of trouble seeing how his offensive game can translate to the pro's, where the defence is much tougher, physical, and smarter.

However, if we are looking at drafting a slower, worse defending and shooting Channing Frye at #13, by all means go ahead.


Don't underrate him.

Look at Draymond Green. He was also a graduate. He played against players who are 2-3 years younger than him, played against 6'8guys most nights as well when he was a senior. And then now he is DPOY runner-up this season and contributes a lot to winning NBA Final.

I don't think we can judge him like that because he is a graduate and he is old.


Draymond Green and Frank Kaminsky are completely different players. I dont think you could possibly find two more different basketball players in the world right now. (Okay that was an exaggeration)

Kaminsky's strengths are his offensive skill set and "size". Draymond's were his tenacious rebounding and passing ability. His passing ability was unique for a big man and both of his strengths coming out of college easily (and has proven to) translate to the pros.

Can Kaminsky's "versatile" scoring ability translate to the pros too? That's the million dollar question.
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Post#2340 » by saintEscaton » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:56 am

I would try to trade Tucker for either a late first/early second and draft Justin Anderson(prototypical 3 and D wing) or Christian Wood (my favorite sleeper pick/ lanky super athletic Ibaquesque PF)
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