aq_ua wrote:If you care to go back, you provided a list of players including Carroll, Milsap, Ellis and Matthews for whom you would more than willingly outbid the market for including extending max contracts in order to sign this summer. If you would like to retract that statement, then go right ahead, but that did read as the entirety of your strategy.
No need for a retraction, given I correctly remember what I wrote, which was:
And100 wrote:Monroe, Carroll, Green, Matthews, maybe Love, maybe Jordan, Milsap, Lopez (either), Ellis, Hibbert, Rondo, Asik, Young, more...
But i don't think anyone to the left side of Ellis is signing for much less than market value.
To the left side of Ellis does not include Ellis, of course.
Can I get the courtesy of an acknowledgment you've misremembered or misunderstood that?
If I further understand your position, you don't mind signing these players to what are considered max contracts today, because as the cap increases, those max contracts would increase in proportion.
I don't think the Knicks will have choice because that's what I think the market will be. What I mind is beside the point.
But the math you cite is relevant yes, of course.
Every player, including players of whatever type and salary slot you deem them to be will be more expensive in 2016 and more expensive than that in 2017. The cap has NEVER risen like this, it's unprecedented. It may be a inconvenient fact for fans with concerns about the cost of players they don't deem stars, but the FACT remains players signed this year WILL become relatively less expensive next year and the year after.
Players signed next year will not relative to 2016 but less expensive relative to 2017. 2017 signees (as far as we know now) will no longer have that advantage.
I think what is fundamentally missing here is an understanding of the exact players you are talking about. The players you are talking about, these are role players. They're not as good as you seem to think they are.
I don't want them to be any better than they are. Has nothing to do with how much I think they're going to get paid by somebody.
but objectively, no team has ever chosen to build around them.
That's fine because I'm not suggesting the Knicks do either. They're building around Melo. Maybe the #4, maybe if thy can snag LMA at max.
Now - I will point out an interesting flaw in your analysis. You make the point of stating a good player on a good contract that the team no longer wants as having an inherent conflict. However, that is the sole reason why Melo is on this team. In fact, that trade and drafts are the only way this team has ever acquired a bonfide star.
Who's the Gallonari and Wilson in this scenario? Hardaway JR?
[/quote][/quote]Furthermore, to your point on outbidding for free agents, the nature of free agency is such that you must outbid the market for any player, hence the inherent conflict of signing a good player to a good contract is exactly there. I found that humorous.
Don't understand the conflict you're pointing out??
