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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#101 » by starbosa10 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:38 pm

LukasBMW wrote:McDonough is going to be known as either a complete genius or a complete moron shortly.

He is really the only GM not afraid to make moves that usually would be limited to NBA2k.

I'm not sure how this summer will pan out, but it sure seems like anything could happen.

We might trade up
We might try to sign or sign/trade for Love
We might try to max or sign/trade for Tobias Harris
We might try to grab Cousins
We might trade Bledsoe
We might...

Sure seems like nothing is off limits.

I'm big fan of it as well. Besides it being exciting for fans, its actually what we need right now. we've been in limbo for years( fighting for 8th). Should be exploring every possible situation, staying at 13th and going with what we have will probably result in something similar, maybe grab the 8th spot
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#102 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:40 pm

letsgosuns wrote:If and when the Suns make a trade, I think it will come out of nowhere and be something no one has spoken about before. That is how the NBA usually works and especially Ryan McDonough. The rumored trades basically never materialize and the ones that do happen, chances are no one ever knew about them prior to the deal going through.



+ 1

Even drafting, the players the FO "talks about" publicly and gets praises from them that gets quoted by websites usually dont get drafted by them.

They are air lock in regards to transaction moves. Almost always from the left field.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#103 » by LukasBMW » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:52 pm

Bledsoe/#13 for #4
Max Love
Resign Knight

Knight/Archie
Mario (#4)/Bullock
TJ/PJ/Marcus
Love/Kieff
Len/Wright

That's a McDonough move. We get our superstar Stretch 4, we get our backcourt bombers. TJ and Len continue to devolop and play solid roles. Kieff plea bargins and becomes a 6th man canidate.

But why would love want to come here?
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#104 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:53 pm

Hornets really being active! Traded Hendo/Vonleh for Batum. Then they just traded Matt Barnes for Jeremy Lamb!

Kemba/Lamb/Batum/??????/Jefferson
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#105 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:56 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Hornets really being active! Traded Hendo/Vonleh for Batum. Then they just traded Matt Barnes for Jeremy Lamb!

Kemba/Lamb/Batum/??????/Jefferson

Kaminsky would be a nice fit there with an established low presence in Big Al
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#106 » by thamadkant » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:00 am

Hornets looking like a much better "fitment" team.
C: Jefferson / Biyombo
PF: *Kaminsky / Zeller
SF: Batum / MKG
SG: MKG / Lamb
PG: Walker / FA
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#107 » by thamadkant » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:04 am

Kerrsed wrote:Hornets really being active! Traded Hendo/Vonleh for Batum. Then they just traded Matt Barnes for Jeremy Lamb!

Kemba/Lamb/Batum/??????/Jefferson



I think MKG will start as a SG next to Batum and they'll draft Kaminsky.

Wow, huge upgrade in terms of shooting. Could be an uptempo team with good wing defense.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#108 » by LukasBMW » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:06 am

Another McDonough option

Bledsoe + #13 for #4
Resign Knight
Max or S&T for Tobias Harris

Knight
Archie
TJ
Harris/Pozingis (#4)
Len

Talk about a youth movement. Knight, Harris, and Len could all eventually be all stars. TJ and Archie still have tons of potential. And we get the #4 pick which could be either the super hyped Pozingis or Russel.

Then I'd look for a mid season trade to move the Morris twins if Harris or Pozingis works out.

We'd be pretty bad this year and likley get another high pick, but chances are 2 of our young guys would start to show great potential and we'd now be in a position to use our future picks to snag a star and get over the top.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#109 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:08 am

Kerrsed wrote:Hornets really being active! Traded Hendo/Vonleh for Batum. Then they just traded Matt Barnes for Jeremy Lamb!

Kemba/Lamb/Batum/??????/Jefferson


Finally some shooters. That will be interesting, and Barnes will definitely be a good get for OKC.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#110 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:09 am

Kerrsed wrote:Hornets really being active! Traded Hendo/Vonleh for Batum. Then they just traded Matt Barnes for Jeremy Lamb!

Kemba/Lamb/Batum/??????/Jefferson

CHA had Matt Barnes? :o
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#113 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:21 am

We absolutely must get Love! This team is built just for his style. Unlike Minnesota where he didn't have any help, he'll have Bledsoe/Knight who both can average 18 points a game and 12 assist (as a pair), Len as the anchor in the paint, Kieff off the bench. Phoenix should definitely be a top three destination for Love.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#114 » by bigfoot » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:37 am

Work a sign and trade with Cleveland ... Bledsoe and Morri for Love.

Knight / Goodwin
Tucker / Bullock
Warren / Granger
Love / FA / Rookie
Len / Wright
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#115 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:42 am

^Definite overpay bigfoot. Love owes Cleveland nothing, no reason they make out like bandits and take Morri AND Bledsoe for Love. The twins should be a fine settlement for the Cavs, plus they would fit in perfectly for their team.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#116 » by thamadkant » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:46 am

McD's stringent trading reputation might bite him up the butt... GMs are probably weary of his trades. Another example is the 3-way trade for Knight, the Lakers pick becoming a 2016 pick instead and potentially a late lottery at best.

He might have to overpay to get that star/asset he wants... and I think he should.... better than staying put and missing out on star(s). When I say "overpay", more like "even" trades... as opposed to McD "winning" the trade.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#117 » by Stix » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:46 am

Qwigglez wrote:^Definite overpay bigfoot. Love owes Cleveland nothing, no reason they make out like bandits and take Morri AND Bledsoe for Love. The twins should be a fine settlement for the Cavs, plus they would fit in perfectly for their team.


All Love has to do is say "no", and it's done. Pretty sure he either stays a Cav or goes to LA.

With that said, I wouldn't mind shopping the twins for TT.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#118 » by tdjm » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:48 am

Going to post a PSA to everyone who's proffering up big sign and trades for Love.

The *only* compelling reason Cleveland has to move on from Love is to avoid slamming head first into an enormous luxury tax bill. Not only does the luxury tax cost you a **** load of money, but it sets you up for danger of reaching the repeater tax, and it also costs you all of your exceptions (if you're in the tax, say goodbye to your MLE, BAE etc.)

Bledsoe would not be included in a Love S&T. Neither would both Morris twins. Cleveland would very clearly rather keep their 19 mil star PF, instead of doing a deal like Tucker + Morris twins which would cost them 18.5 million anyways.

Big sign and trades are a thing of the past, since you can no longer sign and trade players to teams over the cap (for example, the sign and trade the Suns did with Nash to the Lakers is no longer legal, as of 2014).

Moreover, Love would get the same amount of money signing with the Suns outright in free agency that he would with a sign and trade. From the cbafaq:

"Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two"

The Suns would be able to outright sign Love if they renounced all their cap holds (except Knight) and traded Tucker. This would be rather easy to do, for the record. If Love wants to sign in Phoenix, Cleveland can do very little about that (Dwight wanted to sign in Houston, LAL was powerless to stop that).

Now, a more realistic sign and trade might be something like the following:

Tucker + CLE 2016 first to Cleveland

Love to Suns

Cleveland gets a roleplayer that could thrive next to Lebron (3&D wing who can cover multiple positions), who doesn't break the bank. Their 2016 first returning means they can trade their 2016 first to improve, or their 2017 first since it's no longer Stepien prohibited.

The Suns don't have to waste time finding a Tucker suitor, and add a first option player.


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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#119 » by BobbieL » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:54 am

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Coro is always truth serum that's for sure. Puts a damper on things and also ticks you off when he reports the true talks that fizzled

So... if Bledsoe is not leaving - what does that mean? So if true..

The rumors are the Cavs are dangling Haywoods contract to a team so they can get back talent. Why not the Morris twins for Haywood - Suns immediately would clear a bunch of cap space. Granted, not sure if the Morri for Haywood work work after uly 1 when the Morri get abig raise. Cavswould have to throw in another contract or two I think - minimum guys.

I still want Love - this team needs a superstar player and I don't see how the Cavs can sign both Love and Thompson. Seems like Love would have to be a sign and trade.

I just kno - the building of this team starts with the right roster balance and right chemistry and I don't care about their contracts, the Morri and Tucker need to go
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#120 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:07 am

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Qwigglez wrote:^Definite overpay bigfoot. Love owes Cleveland nothing, no reason they make out like bandits and take Morri AND Bledsoe for Love. The twins should be a fine settlement for the Cavs, plus they would fit in perfectly for their team.


All Love has to do is say "no", and it's done. Pretty sure he either stays a Cav or goes to LA.

With that said, I wouldn't mind shopping the twins for TT.



All Love has to do is say yes and he signs with us too, I don't understand what you're getting at.

TT wants a max contract, and while he is a good rebounder/hustler he hardly has any offensive game and we don't have the firepower to insert him into our starting lineup and being able to outscore our opponent. He's too limited offensively for my taste.

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