PC Board OT thread

[Clyde Frazier]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBAHistory/status/613497606057164800[/tweet]

RIP, Harvey. A true basketball lifer.

[kingkirk]

Which actor's films would you pick if you could only watch movies containing one actor?

[Texas Chuck]

Which actor's films would you pick if you could only watch movies containing one actor?

[PaulieWal]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

[RSCD3_]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Not as bad as first take's response

Their B team was on and some woman actually said " Phil Jackson needs to abandon his old ways, the league is trending to more one on one basketball"

I had to replay it three times.

[PaulieWal]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Not as bad as first take's response

Their B team was on and some woman actually said " Phil Jackson needs to abandon his old ways, the league is trending to more one on one basketball"

I had to replay it three times.

The real question is why were you watching First Take in the first place?

Garbage show with garbage "analysts".

[GSP]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Not as bad as first take's response

Their B team was on and some woman actually said " Phil Jackson needs to abandon his old ways, the league is trending to more one on one basketball"

I had to replay it three times.

First Take has a B team???

[RSCD3_]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Not as bad as first take's response

Their B team was on and some woman actually said " Phil Jackson needs to abandon his old ways, the league is trending to more one on one basketball"

I had to replay it three times.

The real question is why were you watching First Take in the first place?

Garbage show with garbage "analysts".

Wanted to hear some jokes about the upcoming draft, it's like how some people watch fox news for laughs

They couldnt even make fun of the knicks right

[E-Balla]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Well was he wrong? Remember he's coming from the early days of basketball where half the teams had a set offense. He is right in saying most teams just spam the PNR like someone playing the AI on 2k.

[PaulieWal]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Well was he wrong? Remember he's coming from the early days of basketball where half the teams had a set offense. He is right in saying most teams just spam the PNR like someone playing the AI on 2k.

I'd say he is wrong.

Often now, the PnR is just a misdirection to get into a better offensive set. And with the PnR ball movement and player movement is considered important. And I'd even argue that the 90s and early 2000s were more about iso ball and we are seeing a definite shift towards more team ball.

It's not like you have a PnR and then 3 guys standing around to catch and shoot or something. Players are constantly moving. Just look at the best teams of the past 4-5 years: Dallas, Heat, Spurs, GSW now, even the Hawks this season all emphasized ball AND player movement. The only exception here is OKC but that's because of 2 elite offensive talents and the new coach there should help.

[Goudelock]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Well was he wrong? Remember he's coming from the early days of basketball where half the teams had a set offense. He is right in saying most teams just spam the PNR like someone playing the AI on 2k.

I will say that i've been watching a lot of 80's basketball recently, and it seems like every team posted up on each half-court possession. The offense was dribble down the court, throw it into the post, and either they're doubled and kick it out, or they score. That's just as repetitive as endless PnR's, imo.

[E-Balla]

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Well was he wrong? Remember he's coming from the early days of basketball where half the teams had a set offense. He is right in saying most teams just spam the PNR like someone playing the AI on 2k.

I'd say he is wrong.

Often now, the PnR is just a misdirection to get into a better offensive set. And with the PnR ball movement and player movement is considered important. And I'd even argue that the 90s and early 2000s were more about iso ball and we are seeing a definite shift towards more team ball.

It's not like you have a PnR and then 3 guys standing around to catch and shoot or something. Players are constantly moving. Just look at the best teams of the past 4-5 years: Dallas, Heat, Spurs, GSW now, even the Hawks this season all emphasized ball AND player movement. The only exception here is OKC but that's because of 2 elite offensive talents and the new coach there should help.

The PNR is rarely used as a misdirection outside of the elite teams. You basically mentioned 5 teams that don't operate that way (I'd actually argue when Dallas ran the PNR it was just a standard PNR) but what about teams like Charlotte, New Orleans, OKC, Cleveland, Toronto, Houston, and the Clippers that don't use the PNR that way at all. He said the league as a whole not just the top teams.

Is it just me or is everybody else also getting tired of Phil Jackson's fetishization of the "Triangle" and how it's "pure basketball"? I know he's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants but he's just plain wrong on how there's no more team basketball in the NBA. I found it bizarre that he has these views as the President of the Knicks. If he wasn't in the league I could understand him being this cranky old troll but he's in the league in an important role. I hope he's trolling for the Knicks' sake because otherwise he's making no sense.

Well was he wrong? Remember he's coming from the early days of basketball where half the teams had a set offense. He is right in saying most teams just spam the PNR like someone playing the AI on 2k.

I will say that i've been watching a lot of 80's basketball recently, and it seems like every team posted up on each half-court possession. The offense was dribble down the court, throw it into the post, and either they're doubled and kick it out, or they score. That's just as repetitive as endless PnR's, imo.

The NBA existed over 30 years before the 80s. Look at Phil's rookie season in 68. The 6ers, Celtics, Knicks, Lakers, and Warriors all had coaches that had offensive systems and that's nearly half the league (and that's the only teams I can think of off the top).

[PaulieWal]

The PNR is rarely used as a misdirection outside of the elite teams. You basically mentioned 5 teams that don't operate that way (I'd actually argue when Dallas ran the PNR it was just a standard PNR) but what about teams like Charlotte, New Orleans, OKC, Cleveland, Toronto, Houston, and the Clippers that don't use the PNR that way at all. He said the league as a whole not just the top teams.

But that's also my main point. Outside of a few teams it's always either iso-ball or post-up back in the day and now PnR. The best teams have always emphasized ball and player movement. That's where he's wrong. The bottom-rung teams weren't running complicated sets in the 90s or 2000s or even when Phil was a player.

I just don't get his fetishization of the Triangle. Not to even mention MJ, Kobe, Shaq etc. broke off from the Triangle plenty and did their own thing many times as do most superstars.

I don't think offenses were any purer back when he was a player and/or a coach than now. In fact, even you would agree we are returning or entering more team emphasis on offense after the early 2000s/90s.

That's why I think Pop is the GOAT coach over PJ or Riley or anyone else you wanna throw in there. He's taken offensive sets/pointers from everyone and isn't stuck to a "system".

[lorak]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/just-how-bad-were-the-bad-boys/

Were Bad Boys really as bad as their reputation suggests? Really interesting read.

[Clyde Frazier]

The PNR is rarely used as a misdirection outside of the elite teams. You basically mentioned 5 teams that don't operate that way (I'd actually argue when Dallas ran the PNR it was just a standard PNR) but what about teams like Charlotte, New Orleans, OKC, Cleveland, Toronto, Houston, and the Clippers that don't use the PNR that way at all. He said the league as a whole not just the top teams.

But that's also my main point. Outside of a few teams it's always either iso-ball or post-up back in the day and now PnR. The best teams have always emphasized ball and player movement. That's where he's wrong. The bottom-rung teams weren't running complicated sets in the 90s or 2000s or even when Phil was a player.

I just don't get his fetishization of the Triangle. Not to even mention MJ, Kobe, Shaq etc. broke off from the Triangle plenty and did their own thing many times as do most superstars.

I don't think offenses were any purer back when he was a player and/or a coach than now. In fact, even you would agree we are returning or entering more team emphasis on offense after the early 2000s/90s.

That's why I think Pop is the GOAT coach over PJ or Riley or anyone else you wanna throw in there. He's taken offensive sets/pointers from everyone and isn't stuck to a "system".

I've never seen Jackson deny / go against the bolded portion. Also, Riley didn't stick to a system when he came to NY from LA.

I do think people kinda forget that Jackson's a little off, along with his mind games and strange sense of humor. I don't think you're going to get many serious answers from him in interviews. Obviously different tone than pop who's more overt.

We'll see what happens going forward. Now back to my anxiety about the draft for the next 6+ hrs...

[PaulieWal]

I've never seen Jackson deny / go against the bolded portion. Also, Riley didn't stick to a system when he came to NY from LA.

I do think people kinda forget that Jackson's a little off, along with his mind games and strange sense of humor. I don't think you're going to get many serious answers from him in interviews. Obviously different tone than pop who's more overt.

We'll see what happens going forward. Now back to my anxiety about the draft for the next 6+ hrs...

I never said he said the bolded part about superstars not breaking off in any system. I am just railing against his the Triangle is "pure" and there's "no more team basketball in the NBA".

FTR, I think he's done fine as an exec so far, just that whole interview was bizarre.

[Clyde Frazier]

I've never seen Jackson deny / go against the bolded portion. Also, Riley didn't stick to a system when he came to NY from LA.

I do think people kinda forget that Jackson's a little off, along with his mind games and strange sense of humor. I don't think you're going to get many serious answers from him in interviews. Obviously different tone than pop who's more overt.

We'll see what happens going forward. Now back to my anxiety about the draft for the next 6+ hrs...

I never said he said the bolded part about superstars not breaking off in any system. I am just railing against his the Triangle is "pure" and there's "no more team basketball in the NBA".

FTR, I think he's done fine as an exec so far, just that whole interview was bizarre.

I mean, if you asked him about teams like the spurs / hawks / warriors, I don't think he'd say they aren't playing "team basketball".

Totally agree that the interviews have been bizarre. I've stopped paying attention to them as they don't provide much meaningful info.

[RSCD3_]

Supreme Court made a landmark decision for marriage equality. Hats off to them.

[RSCD3_]

Kawhi growing a beard

[trex_8063]

Have to admit I don't really follow college hoops much, and consequently don't really pay attention to draft prospects and so forth.

However, I recall watching the NCAA tourney last year, and having the impression that that Kentucky team could give several NBA teams a run for their money. And this morning I happened to scrutinize the draft results and noted that SIX (RUkiddingme?) players from Kentucky were drafted, including 4 of the top 13 picks. My goodness that was an insanely stacked college team. Doesn't even seem fair; shame they couldn't pull off the undefeated season straight thru to a championship.