Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland

Eoghan · Post #241 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:01 am

WTF. I come in from playing disc golf and the whole damn roster is upside down.

Batum for Vonleh and Hobe: I think I like this trade. I've always been a Batum fan and I think this past year was an anomaly. Would prefer Zeller, obviously. Who we draft at 9 really makes or breaks this trade for me.

Lamb for tattooed corpse of Matt Barnes: YESSSSSSSS! Too good to be true. So much forum drama, the Charlotte board will be better than GoT.

catch20two · Post #242 » by **catch20two** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:03 am

BrotherDave wrote:WTF. I come in from playing disc golf and the whole damn roster is upside down.

Batum for Vonleh and Hobe: I think I like this trade. I've always been a Batum fan and I think this past year was an anomaly. Would prefer Zeller, obviously. Who we draft at 9 really makes or breaks this trade for me.

Lamb for tattooed corpse of Matt Barnes: YESSSSSSSS! Too good to be true. So much forum drama, the Charlotte board will be better than GoT.

Who do you want at #9 besides WCS assuming he's picked before us?

Post #243 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:05 am

yosemiteben wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/SteveReedAP/status/613884840988049408[/tweet]

lol id certainly hope so.

For real. Like there was any question.

MKG is a year older and hopefully starting to fill out and with the way the NBA is going back to small ball, I'm wondering if we might actually see a lot of:

Kemba
Lamb
Batum
MKG
Zeller (or Biz)

Flip Murray · Post #244 » by **Flip Murray** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:05 am

BigSlam wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
lol id certainly hope so.

For real. Like there was any question.

MKG is a year older and hopefully starting to fill out and with the way the NBA is going back to small ball, I'm wondering if we might actually see a lot of:

Kemba
Lamb
Batum
MKG
Zeller (or Biz)

could easily see this. Lamb could also be Booker

catch20two · Post #245 » by **catch20two** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:08 am

JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/SteveReedAP/status/613884840988049408[/tweet]

What the green eggs and ham.

DY_nasty · Post #246 » by **DY_nasty** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:09 am

I'm starting to calm down now. BUT

Vonleh better have been straight up (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Seriously. Giving up a on clear project player one year into the project (after we developed Biz of all people who was an even larger project) is just... All this just reflects how little faith all of us have in our developmental coaches. Vonleh has too many tools to be a throw away.

Liver_Pooty · Post #247 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:10 am

DY_nasty wrote:I'm starting to calm down now. BUT

Vonleh better have been straight up (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Seriously. Giving up a on clear project player one year into the project (after we developed Biz of all people who was an even larger project) is just... All this just reflects how little faith all of us have in our developmental coaches. Vonleh has too many tools to be a throw away.

Kings did the same with Thomas Robinson. Sometimes its best to cash in your chips early before you get screwed in the long run.

Post #248 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:11 am

jdm3 wrote:My biggest problem with this trade is we gave up the only young player we had who had the potential to be more than average at both ends of the court. He was the only guy who could have really turned into something special. If we are going to be picking in the range we are in you have to take gambles like trying to develop him.

MKG?

Eoghan · Post #249 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:16 am

catch20two wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:WTF. I come in from playing disc golf and the whole damn roster is upside down.

Batum for Vonleh and Hobe: I think I like this trade. I've always been a Batum fan and I think this past year was an anomaly. Would prefer Zeller, obviously. Who we draft at 9 really makes or breaks this trade for me.

Lamb for tattooed corpse of Matt Barnes: YESSSSSSSS! Too good to be true. So much forum drama, the Charlotte board will be better than GoT.

Who do you want at #9 besides WCS assuming he's picked before us?

Anyone but Turner (will curse the heavens) or Kaminsky (will roll eyes at the heavens).

DY_nasty · Post #250 » by **DY_nasty** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:16 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:I'm starting to calm down now. BUT

Vonleh better have been straight up (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Seriously. Giving up a on clear project player one year into the project (after we developed Biz of all people who was an even larger project) is just... All this just reflects how little faith all of us have in our developmental coaches. Vonleh has too many tools to be a throw away.

Kings did the same with Thomas Robinson. Sometimes its best to cash in your chips early before you get screwed in the long run.

True. People had a lot of faith in Vonleh - but at the same time, its only because he didn't play. There wasn't any visible reason to not have faith in the rookie. He never got meaningful minutes and his leash was 2 inches long. The only option was hope tbh.

Maybe we are cashing out early... I've just never seen a young guy with as many tools as Vonleh thrown to the bushes for the right to pay a nevergonnabea all-star the following year.

catch20two · Post #251 » by **catch20two** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:17 am

BrotherDave wrote:
catch20two wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:WTF. I come in from playing disc golf and the whole damn roster is upside down.

Batum for Vonleh and Hobe: I think I like this trade. I've always been a Batum fan and I think this past year was an anomaly. Would prefer Zeller, obviously. Who we draft at 9 really makes or breaks this trade for me.

Lamb for tattooed corpse of Matt Barnes: YESSSSSSSS! Too good to be true. So much forum drama, the Charlotte board will be better than GoT.

Who do you want at #9 besides WCS assuming he's picked before us?

Anyone but Turner (will curse the heavens) or Kaminsky (will roll eyes at the heavens).

Dammit, you scratched off 2 on my list of 4. Oubre and Booker are still alive.

BeesWax · Post #252 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:23 am

BigSlam wrote:
jdm3 wrote:My biggest problem with this trade is we gave up the only young player we had who had the potential to be more than average at both ends of the court. He was the only guy who could have really turned into something special. If we are going to be picking in the range we are in you have to take gambles like trying to develop him.

MKG?

He is great but not a two way player really. I just want him functional on offense with his great defense. Noah had potential to be very good on both ends.

Post #253 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:31 am

BigSlam wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
lol id certainly hope so.

For real. Like there was any question.

MKG is a year older and hopefully starting to fill out and with the way the NBA is going back to small ball, I'm wondering if we might actually see a lot of:

Kemba
Lamb
Batum
MKG
Zeller (or Biz)

Nope, but you'll see a lot of
Kemba
Batum
MKG
Hawes
Jefferson

NCHeels2008 · Post #254 » by **NCHeels2008** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:50 am

Batum had injury problems last year; he will regress to the mean and be a wicked two way player. If we believe strongly in a PF/C with this choice than better we trade now while we have leverage. We need shooting in the worst way as well.

8miles · Post #255 » by **8miles** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:51 am

jdm3 wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
jdm3 wrote:My biggest problem with this trade is we gave up the only young player we had who had the potential to be more than average at both ends of the court. He was the only guy who could have really turned into something special. If we are going to be picking in the range we are in you have to take gambles like trying to develop him.

MKG?

He is great but not a two way player really. I just want him functional on offense with his great defense. Noah had potential to be very good on both ends.

So did every other player we've drafted in the last 5 years

BeesWax · Post #256 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:57 am

8miles wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
BigSlam wrote:MKG?

He is great but not a two way player really. I just want him functional on offense with his great defense. Noah had potential to be very good on both ends.

So did every other player we've drafted in the last 5 years

I never thought Biz, MKG or Zeller had the same type of offensive potential or that Zeller or Kemba had the defensive potential. Zeller has shocked me with his perimeter defense though.

8miles · Post #257 » by **8miles** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:01 am

jdm3 wrote:
8miles wrote:
jdm3 wrote:He is great but not a two way player really. I just want him functional on offense with his great defense. Noah had potential to be very good on both ends.

So did every other player we've drafted in the last 5 years

I never thought Biz, MKG or Zeller had the same type of offensive potential or that Zeller or Kemba had the defensive potential. Zeller has shocked me with his perimeter defense though.

Don't know if the tweet has been posted here (i'm assuming it has though) about Vonleh's inability to understand plays and his lack of feel for the game, but I think that sums it up. We've already gone through the same thing with Biz and I think he is a much better defender than Vonleh will ever be.

BeesWax · Post #258 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:03 am

8miles wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
8miles wrote:
So did every other player we've drafted in the last 5 years

I never thought Biz, MKG or Zeller had the same type of offensive potential or that Zeller or Kemba had the defensive potential. Zeller has shocked me with his perimeter defense though.

Don't know if the tweet has been posted here (i'm assuming it has though) about Vonleh's inability to understand plays and his lack of feel for the game, but I think that sums it up. We've already gone through the same thing with Biz and I think he is a much better defender than Vonleh will ever be.

Nobody on this team looks like they know what is going on. That isn't a player problem it is a coaching problem which should have been the first major move of the offseason.

stinger14 · Post #259 » by **stinger14** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:17 am

jdm3 wrote:
8miles wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I never thought Biz, MKG or Zeller had the same type of offensive potential or that Zeller or Kemba had the defensive potential. Zeller has shocked me with his perimeter defense though.

Don't know if the tweet has been posted here (i'm assuming it has though) about Vonleh's inability to understand plays and his lack of feel for the game, but I think that sums it up. We've already gone through the same thing with Biz and I think he is a much better defender than Vonleh will ever be.

Nobody on this team looks like they know what is going on. That isn't a player problem it is a coaching problem which should have been the first major move of the offseason.

I may agree with this more than anything else I have ever read on a sports forum, Clifford is an idiot

8miles · Post #260 » by **8miles** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:17 am

jdm3 wrote:
8miles wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I never thought Biz, MKG or Zeller had the same type of offensive potential or that Zeller or Kemba had the defensive potential. Zeller has shocked me with his perimeter defense though.

Don't know if the tweet has been posted here (i'm assuming it has though) about Vonleh's inability to understand plays and his lack of feel for the game, but I think that sums it up. We've already gone through the same thing with Biz and I think he is a much better defender than Vonleh will ever be.

Nobody on this team looks like they know what is going on. That isn't a player problem it is a coaching problem which should have been the first major move of the offseason.

Oh i agree. If clifford doesn't get it right this year with a team that has the 3 pt shooting to surround Al like last year's team so dearly missed then he can kiss my ass