Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

DRK · Post #2601 » by **DRK** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:49 pm

JMac1 wrote:
DRK wrote:Are we trading up to 9 for Stanley Johnson? That'll be great!

Denial is a very long river to be floating on.

We get it. If you dont have anything further to add, please leave me in peace.

JMac1 · Post #2602 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:50 pm

DRK wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/614057953600126976

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/06/25/phoenix-suns-high-myles-turner-frank-kaminsky-draft-options/29253539/

End of the story.

to all the Bledsoe and Kaminsky haters.

All of this losing has made the Realgm posters here blind, dumb, and crazy. Glad the FO doesn't drink what you guys do. Don't have to worry about Kaminsky though, some other team will get him and later we can bitch and moan about how we should have lost more games and drafted him....guaranteed to happen.

Tell you what mate. I've never attacked you for your opinion on Kaminsky. If you are so great at player evaluation maybe you should go and apply for a front office job or something. I've stated my points and my reasons clearly why I believe Kaminsky is going to struggle at the NBA level, but that is my personal opinion only, and I dont expect anyone to take it as fact.

You however are treating your own personal opinion like fact, and patronising everyone that doesnt agree with it. You even started a thread on the GB about how already plan to gloat when Kaminsky turns out great. (again, from your opinion only)

You are entitled to your opinion, however let me say this. If Kaminsky really does turn out to be a very mediocre player in the league, or bust, alot of us doing the gloating around here, and it certainly wont be you.

Somebody is butt hurt. Too bad.

Damn right, I believe in Kamisky and I am his most ardent and loyal supporter....deal with it!

I said posters...........I didn't say DRK, you could just be blind....or you could be dumb....or you could be crazy..... That is my opinion of the posters all over RealGM, I spoken and argued enough about Kaminsky to know what posters fell about him. I am willing to bet you think you are the dumb one, thus this unnecessary post and 5 year snitching....."You even made a post on the Big Board....." what a bitch move!!

Now suspend me, because I am calling you a bitch!

JMac1 · Post #2603 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:51 pm

DRK wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
DRK wrote:Are we trading up to 9 for Stanley Johnson? That'll be great!

Denial is a very long river to be floating on.

We get it. If you dont have anything further to add, please leave me in peace.

I'm happy to hear the news, you are the distraught one attacking my posts. Ignore if you don't like me gloating or bragging and believing in what I say and posting it.

SarcasticSun · Post #2604 » by **SarcasticSun** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:56 pm

JMac1 wrote:
DRK wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
to all the Bledsoe and Kaminsky haters.

All of this losing has made the Realgm posters here blind, dumb, and crazy. Glad the FO doesn't drink what you guys do. Don't have to worry about Kaminsky though, some other team will get him and later we can bitch and moan about how we should have lost more games and drafted him....guaranteed to happen.

Tell you what mate. I've never attacked you for your opinion on Kaminsky. If you are so great at player evaluation maybe you should go and apply for a front office job or something. I've stated my points and my reasons clearly why I believe Kaminsky is going to struggle at the NBA level, but that is my personal opinion only, and I dont expect anyone to take it as fact.

You however are treating your own personal opinion like fact, and patronising everyone that doesnt agree with it. You even started a thread on the GB about how already plan to gloat when Kaminsky turns out great. (again, from your opinion only)

You are entitled to your opinion, however let me say this. If Kaminsky really does turn out to be a very mediocre player in the league, or bust, alot of us doing the gloating around here, and it certainly wont be you.

Somebody is butt hurt. Too bad.

Damn right, I believe in Kamisky and I am his most ardent and loyal supporter....deal with it!

I said posters...........I didn't say DRK, you could just be blind....or you could be dumb....or you could be crazy..... That is my opinion of the posters all over RealGM, I spoken and argued enough about Kaminsky to know what posters fell about him. I am willing to bet you think you are the dumb one, thus this unnecessary post and 5 year snitching....."You even made a post on the Big Board....." what a bitch move!!

Now suspend me, because I am calling you a bitch!

If you're calling someone a bitch over the internet in a serious tone, you've already lost. C'mon there's no need for this stuff guys, let's stick to draft talk.

JMac1 · Post #2605 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:04 pm

SarcasticSun wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
DRK wrote:
Tell you what mate. I've never attacked you for your opinion on Kaminsky. If you are so great at player evaluation maybe you should go and apply for a front office job or something. I've stated my points and my reasons clearly why I believe Kaminsky is going to struggle at the NBA level, but that is my personal opinion only, and I dont expect anyone to take it as fact.

You however are treating your own personal opinion like fact, and patronising everyone that doesnt agree with it. You even started a thread on the GB about how already plan to gloat when Kaminsky turns out great. (again, from your opinion only)

You are entitled to your opinion, however let me say this. If Kaminsky really does turn out to be a very mediocre player in the league, or bust, alot of us doing the gloating around here, and it certainly wont be you.

Somebody is butt hurt. Too bad.

Damn right, I believe in Kamisky and I am his most ardent and loyal supporter....deal with it!

I said posters...........I didn't say DRK, you could just be blind....or you could be dumb....or you could be crazy..... That is my opinion of the posters all over RealGM, I spoken and argued enough about Kaminsky to know what posters fell about him. I am willing to bet you think you are the dumb one, thus this unnecessary post and 5 year snitching....."You even made a post on the Big Board....." what a bitch move!!

Now suspend me, because I am calling you a bitch!

If you're calling someone a bitch over the internet in a serious tone, you've already lost. C'mon there's no need for this stuff guys, let's stick to draft talk.

You are right, that's why I put him on ignore. Internet or not, people can say things to upset you. It is easy to evaluate something when you are not involved though. I appreciate the check though.

Mr Puddles · Post #2606 » by **Mr Puddles** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:04 pm

DRK wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Defensively. ...yes. But on offense he is limited to put backs, alley oops and garbage points, so I don't think so.
He can play some minutes here and there like a PF, but I think he is better suited as C.

Is he strong enough to play the C though? It seems his defensive prowess more from his quickness, agility and athleticism - those are better suited for defending the PF spot and switching on pick 'n rolls. His midrange shot seems decent, if with the help of Hornacek he could become consistent I think he might be better suited playing mainly the PF spot.

WCS reminds me of a shot-blocking Tristan Thompson. Not bad for the 9th/13th pick?

I agree, in his ability to defend the pick and roll and go after offensive boards. My concern with WCS is that (unlike TT) he doesn't have the strength to box out adequately on defense, or defend big centers - WCS would be a great pickup at 13 though as he addresses a lot of our needs.

King4Day · Post #2607 » by **King4Day** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:04 pm

Guys can you please act like adults, put your anger aside and move on?
Nobody cares how you feel about each other. As a bystander, you are wasting my time as I try to sift through these posts.

Not everyone is going to agree with who we should draft. If Jmac wants Kaminsky, that's awesome. We can get his perspective on 'why' (I'm still on board with getting him too). If other posters hate the idea to no end...that's great too. Debate why but don't attack each other.

I've been posting on different forums for about a decade, including as a mod on another Suns board. Nothing is more embarrassing than having other posters from other team boards see us act like this. It comes off as 'all suns fans are like this'.

Take a breath before posting, put your anger aside and either post and debate or stay angry and don't respond.
I don't care who started it and I don't care who is right or wrong in the argument. Just end it now.

Sunsdeuce · Post #2608 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:10 pm

So I'm seeing a lot of rumors saying lakers are taking Russell.

DRK · Post #2609 » by **DRK** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:14 pm

Mr Puddles wrote:
DRK wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Is he strong enough to play the C though? It seems his defensive prowess more from his quickness, agility and athleticism - those are better suited for defending the PF spot and switching on pick 'n rolls. His midrange shot seems decent, if with the help of Hornacek he could become consistent I think he might be better suited playing mainly the PF spot.

WCS reminds me of a shot-blocking Tristan Thompson. Not bad for the 9th/13th pick?

I agree, in his ability to defend the pick and roll and go after offensive boards. My concern with WCS is that (unlike TT) he doesn't have the strength to box out adequately on defense, or defend big centers - WCS would be a great pickup at 13 though as he addresses a lot of our needs.

His ability to defend the pick and rolls is a unique skill -Joakim Noah-esque. Noah isnt the strongest guy out there, nor the most athletic. I think WCS has the ability to really anchor our defence. He defended all 5 positions at the collegiate level, and I think he can do very well switching onto guards in the NBA too.

His Ft shooting improved every year at Kentucky, and hopefully continues to trend upwards. If he can develop a nice little go-to move "bang bang BBQ Chicken" in the post, or a nice mid range jumper he'd be a great player for our system - allowing us to adequately defend against "small ball" teams and bully opposing small-lineups inside with Len as his running mate.

Sunsdeuce · Post #2610 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:15 pm

Looks like Suns are working to get the #9 pick. We shall see.

King4Day · Post #2611 » by **King4Day** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:18 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:So I'm seeing a lot of rumors saying lakers are taking Russell.

I wonder why Okafor is starting to potentially slide.

If he falls to NY, they really dodged a bullet with the poor draft lottery.

Sunsdeuce · Post #2612 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:19 pm

DarkHawk wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So I'm seeing a lot of rumors saying lakers are taking Russell.

I wonder why Okafor is starting to potentially slide.

If he falls to NY, they really dodged a bullet with the poor draft lottery.

I think because Russell has more long term star potential.

King4Day · Post #2613 » by **King4Day** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:19 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Looks like Suns are working to get the #9 pick. We shall see.

I was thinking we deal a shooter to them. Maybe Marcus. Or that we take back a contract like Williams (though this would remove us from most free agent options).

Post #2614 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:24 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So I'm seeing a lot of rumors saying lakers are taking Russell.

I wonder why Okafor is starting to potentially slide.

If he falls to NY, they really dodged a bullet with the poor draft lottery.

I think because Russell has more long term star potential.

Not just that. There are several PF/C's who are entering free agency and the Lakers believe they can land one of them.

DRK · Post #2615 » by **DRK** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:25 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:So I'm seeing a lot of rumors saying lakers are taking Russell.

Either they are confident they are getting Cousins, or they are smokescreening and hoping the 76'ers trade up for him...

Either that or they just believe DeAngelo is going to be a star.

I love the draft time!!

Saberestar · Post #2616 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:25 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So I'm seeing a lot of rumors saying lakers are taking Russell.

I wonder why Okafor is starting to potentially slide.

If he falls to NY, they really dodged a bullet with the poor draft lottery.

I think because Russell has more long term star potential.

I prefer Russel over Okafor too. I have seen 2 Ohio State games recently and I see an amazing player in Russell. He can dominate games ala Harden or Ginobilli.

Sunsdeuce · Post #2617 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:27 pm

Doug and wolf (listening to right now) brought up a good point. No one from the front office has come out and tried to stop the bledsoe trade rumors. Doug said he usually gets a text or a call from someone within the organization saying please stop the trade rumors when the team wants to keep the player. He said no one has even attempted to stop the rumors.

I truly believe bledsoe is VERY available!!!

sunsbum · Post #2618 » by **sunsbum** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:52 pm

Bled should be available. He's a dead end PG.

Post #2619 » by **TASTIC** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:54 pm

Maystack wrote:
TASTIC wrote:
Maystack wrote:In ten hours or so. That's midnight here so probably around 7 eastern?

Oh I was beaten to it

This time thing sucks man.

I stayed up for it last year but was suffering at work, didn't go to bed til like 3am and was effed the next day haha

Will be a million updates on my phone from Game Time and Bleacher Report anyway...

I'm going to NZ vs Great Britain next month, you going?

I think I'm only going to stay up for the first round. And I don't start work until 2 tomorrow, so I'll hopefully have enough sleep.

I didn't even know GB were playing? Is it the Euroleague again?

Not sure what it's for - can get cheap tickets on Groupon for £13 (£30 at door)

Sunsdeuce · Post #2620 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:55 pm

It would be badass if we could trade bledsoe straight up for the #9 and keep the #13. Ryan can get his man Frank (everything I am hearing is ryan LOVES frank) and then see who falls to #13. Get a steal at 13. Drop bledsoes contract, get two young studs, and have more money to get at least one key free agent.

Which three guys would you most like to draft if they are there at 13?