Cousins for Drummond?

[kurtis48239]

I'd do this

Detroit trades: Drummond, 2016 First
Detroit receives: Noel, #3,
We get a defensive monster in Noel + potential star G Russell. We still land Winslow at 8. Our upside would be tremendous with a core of Jackson/Russell/KCP/Winslow/Noel. We may be able to convince Monroe to return as our C as well.

Philly receives: Cousins
Philly trades: Noel, #3
Philly acquires their star player

Kings receive: Drummond, 2016 First
Kings trade: Cousins
Kings get a C that can play in Karls uptempo style + a pick

If a gun was at my head and I had to trade dre,this wouldnt be a bad haul,but philly needs to give up something else as well,we would also take a big risk hoping noel dosent re-injury himself.

[Cowology]

Don't want him. Certainly wouldn't give up Dre for him. One of my favorite sayings is "Culture eats structure for breakfast". You can have the best laid plans and all the talent in the world, but if your team/staff/whatever isn't buying in it doesn't mean a damn thing. I'm a big big believer in culture and while I'm OK bringing in a questionable character to an already solid foundation (such as adding Sheed to our '04 team) I don't think we're currently in any sort of position to make it functional.

If I were a team like the Spurs that has that sorta structure in place and think they can prolong their window, then sure. But right now I want no part of him.

[Jackattaq]

Don't want him. Certainly wouldn't give up Dre for him. One of my favorite sayings is "Culture eats structure for breakfast". You can have the best laid plans and all the talent in the world, but if your team/staff/whatever isn't buying in it doesn't mean a damn thing. I'm a big big believer in culture and while I'm OK bringing in a questionable character to an already solid foundation (such as adding Sheed to our '04 team) I don't think we're currently in any sort of position to make it functional.

If I were a team like the Spurs that has that sorta structure in place and think they can prolong their window, then sure. But right now I want no part of him.

I would say that the shedding of Josh Smith really shows this to be true. When the rotten apple was removed from the basket, the team took off. No one can deny that Josh Smith (I hate to admit it), has some talent and ability to help a team win. However, with him in Detroit, it was obviously not working. Josh didn't "buy in" when he was a Piston, he needed the ball in his hands (or so he thought) to be successful.

I'm happy with Andre (work on the FT's big fella), I love his development. I think things will open up even more this season for him as Stan continues to put shooters around him and emphasize him as an inside threat. With Moose gone, Andre will see even more touches and more chances. If he can just get a bit more proficient finishing around the rim and using his massive size and athletic ability to push smaller players around, I think he can really flourish. Dre still plays small inside. I want him to overpower people in the paint, but that can come in time. Last year was the first year where the Pistons force fed him the ball inside. I liked Dre's passing out of the post and his ability to catch lobs. He's a guy that has immense potential if he can just put it all together.

I wouldn't do a Cousins for Drummond, only because Dre has two years less in the league, Drummond grabs 13 boards a night without really trying. He's a beast inside and he has the ability to be a better defender, rim protector than Cousins. Once Drummond gets the touches and starts putting it all together, I think his numbers will be close to Cousins without the headache that comes with getting an ego that accompanies DeMarcus.

Go Pistons !!!!

P.S. Really unsure who the Pistons take in the draft, it's gotta be a SF though, Not sure who I want either. Didn't watch Stanley Johnson or Winslow much (not a big college fan), Hezonja is scary because his sample size is so small and he's not playing against the highest talent levels. I guess we'll have to trust SVG, so far I haven't been disappointed, love the Ersan trade BTW (giving up no assets for a player that's at worse a role player on your team is good IMO)

[Sheedpocalypse]

Question:

Isn't Cousins like straight up crazy?

[Jackattaq]

Question:

Isn't Cousins like straight up crazy?

I suppose that depends on who you ask. If he's got the right coach and situation, he's a very productive player. His Technical fouls were way down under Mike Malone. He's a player that has immense talent but needs to be handled with kid gloves and I'm just not all that interested in having to coddle a guy that much. I don't think he's crazy so much as he wants to win and wants things to be his way and when they don't go his way he hasn't learned the appropriate way to react.

[sfballa13]

This is the bottom line #2/Randle/Clarkson is not as good as #8/Drummond. Randle is an unknown coming off a serious injury at best he would go #7-8 in this year's draft given his situation, #2 overall picks can bust, just ask Darko - again unknown.

SVG needs to get in on this. We are missing a go to guy. Someone to take the offensive load on his shoulders. Drummond will never be that guy. Yes Andre gets more rebounds and is younger but he will never have the polished offensive game of Cousins. We would be lucky if he reaches Cousins level in 3 years.

Don't forget Cousins has played for like 4 coaches in one of the most dysfunctional environments in the league. He is itching at a chance to just play basketball and not worry about stupid ****.

I think he would thrive in the easy East and in an environment where he is wanted and accepted. Remember we did win a championship with Rasheed and he was just as bad as Cousins attitude wise, if not worse. Cousins doesn't take games off, Rasheed did.

Add to the fact that his contract is very cheap for his production and he is signed for another 3 years, it's a no brainer.

[Jackattaq]

This is the bottom line #2/Randle/Clarkson is not as good as #8/Drummond. Randle is an unknown coming off a serious injury at best he would go #7-8 in this year's draft given his situation, #2 overall picks can bust, just ask Darko - again unknown.

SVG needs to get in on this. We are missing a go to guy. Someone to take the offensive load on his shoulders. Drummond will never be that guy. Yes Andre gets more rebounds and is younger but he will never have the polished offensive game of Cousins. We would be lucky if he reaches Cousins level in 3 years.

Don't forget Cousins has played for like 4 coaches in one of the most dysfunctional environments in the league. He is itching at a chance to just play basketball and not worry about stupid ****.

I think he would thrive in the easy East and in an environment where he is wanted and accepted. Remember we did win a championship with Rasheed and he was just as bad as Cousins attitude wise, if not worse. Cousins doesn't take games off, Rasheed did.

Add to the fact that his contract is very cheap for his production and he is signed for another 3 years, it's a no brainer.

Cousins scores more, YES, but is he all that productive? Without looking at the numbers, I remember watching him and he shoots a lot of jumpers and needs a lot of touches to stay happy. That, combined with his attitude/ego issues. I'm passing. I'd rather give Dre a couple years with the right pieces around him and see where we are. I like Dre's attitude so far, he doesn't seem like he can't wait to get out of Detroit. He's a star you have to build around. He may not be that "GO TO" star offensively, but if he can get his defense together I'd rather roll with that.

[sfballa13]

This is the bottom line #2/Randle/Clarkson is not as good as #8/Drummond. Randle is an unknown coming off a serious injury at best he would go #7-8 in this year's draft given his situation, #2 overall picks can bust, just ask Darko - again unknown.

SVG needs to get in on this. We are missing a go to guy. Someone to take the offensive load on his shoulders. Drummond will never be that guy. Yes Andre gets more rebounds and is younger but he will never have the polished offensive game of Cousins. We would be lucky if he reaches Cousins level in 3 years.

Don't forget Cousins has played for like 4 coaches in one of the most dysfunctional environments in the league. He is itching at a chance to just play basketball and not worry about stupid ****.

I think he would thrive in the easy East and in an environment where he is wanted and accepted. Remember we did win a championship with Rasheed and he was just as bad as Cousins attitude wise, if not worse. Cousins doesn't take games off, Rasheed did.

Add to the fact that his contract is very cheap for his production and he is signed for another 3 years, it's a no brainer.

Cousins scores more, YES, but is he all that productive? Without looking at the numbers, I remember watching him and he shoots a lot of jumpers and needs a lot of touches to stay happy. That, combined with his attitude/ego issues. I'm passing. I'd rather give Dre a couple years with the right pieces around him and see where we are. I like Dre's attitude so far, he doesn't seem like he can't wait to get out of Detroit. He's a star you have to build around. He may not be that "GO TO" star offensively, but if he can get his defense together I'd rather roll with that.

Drummond is very conscious of his brand and is always seen hanging out with Lebron and other NBA superstars.

I'm not so sure he will stay in Detroit if we keep losing.

I could see him bolting to a big market like NY, Miami, LA

[tmorgan]

Drummond is very conscious of his brand and is always seen hanging out with Lebron and other NBA superstars.

I'm not so sure he will stay in Detroit if we keep losing.

I could see him bolting to a big market like NY, Miami, LA

Really? I see Drummond as a big, goofy, nice kid that's just learning how to be a man and take his job seriously. I don't see any brand management going on at all, really. He took a dose of public humiliation with that Disney chick and seems to have backed off from the public eye since. What am I missing?

[tmorgan]

Drummond is very conscious of his brand and is always seen hanging out with Lebron and other NBA superstars.

I'm not so sure he will stay in Detroit if we keep losing.

I could see him bolting to a big market like NY, Miami, LA

Really? I see Drummond as a big, goofy, nice kid that's just learning how to be a man and take his job seriously. I don't see any brand management going on at all, really. He took a dose of public humiliation with that Disney chick and seems to have backed off from the public eye since. What am I missing?

[Choob]

Cow and Jackattaq are spot on. Dude would destory the culture we're trying to build and I doubt he and SVG would mesh.

[Spider156]

Here's the deal. The Kings can't get a better player than Drummond unless they pick #1. No other player other than Russell can match Drummond and he's a PG. The only offer I would give them is Drummond and Jennings for Cousins. I wouldn't give them our pick.

[Jackattaq]

Just looked it up, Cousins only shot 46.7% FG, that's not too good for a big. Especially a guy that should punish inside, that tells me he shoots too many outside shots. I want a big that shoots from inside the painted area. Andre still has a lot of room for growth in this area, but at least his shots come from in the paint. I'm not in love with bigs that wanna shoot jumpers (sorry Dirk). There is a reason that tall people play basketball, SIZE MATTERS. Use the size and punish other teams in the paint. Drummond shot 51.4% FG last year. I think we can all agree he wasn't as good last year as we can expect him to be in the next few. If he's around the 55% area and putting up 16ppg and 17RPG and protecting the rim, without the drama, I don't know why we'd want to give that up for a guy with a history of blowing his top.

[Collymore]

17RPG?

[ComboGuardCity]

17RPG?

Yeah I'm thinking atleast 25


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[Jackattaq]

17RPG?

Last season Drummond averaged 13.5 rebounds per game in only 30.5 mins a game. He was often hampered by foul trouble. He was also an absolute beast on the glass. If he can get anywhere near 36-38 minutes a game, I don't think 3-3.5 more rebounds a game is unrealistic. He was pretty poor finishing in the paint, often he would get 3 offensive rebounds just from playing volleyball with his own misses. I don't expect him to all of a sudden make all of those bunnies he missed last year, I do however expect him to get more touches with Greg Monroe gone. I also expect that Reggie Jackson going to the paint and shooting floaters and (missing some) will give Drummond more freedom to roam around the offensive glass. Maybe 17 rebounds is too optimistic, but the guy is huge, he's ultra athletic and he's a load to box out. We shall see I guess.

[ComboGuardCity]

17RPG?

Last season Drummond averaged 13.5 rebounds per game in only 30.5 mins a game. He was often hampered by foul trouble. He was also an absolute beast on the glass. If he can get anywhere near 36-38 minutes a game, I don't think 3-3.5 more rebounds a game is unrealistic. He was pretty poor finishing in the paint, often he would get 3 offensive rebounds just from playing volleyball with his own misses. I don't expect him to all of a sudden make all of those bunnies he missed last year, I do however expect him to get more touches with Greg Monroe gone. I also expect that Reggie Jackson going to the paint and shooting floaters and (missing some) will give Drummond more freedom to roam around the offensive glass. Maybe 17 rebounds is too optimistic, but the guy is huge, he's ultra athletic and he's a load to box out. We shall see I guess.

Soon he will be focusing on being an anchor on defense and a bigger force on offense. He won't be able to just focus on rebounding.


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