Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

[LofJ]

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-icons-shower-praise-on-kaminsky/article_3f5fb7dd-a23a-5844-81ef-87f227c6dcf2.html

Bird and Presti are fans of Frank at least

[mrknowitall215]

+1 from me. Good post. I still prefer Booker over Frank and if we were closer to the earliest phase of our rebuild I think Booker would have been the pick. Winslow and WCS would provide no offense. I was actually kind of frightened by those picks and would only want them if they could be flipped. We see how that worked out with last draft's fallen prospect (Vonleh).

Exactly... Last year, we took a dude in Vonleh who fell to us and it didn't work out. We just had a Duke SG in Hendo who couldn't shoot and everyone was clamoring for him to be shipped out. He finally is, then we want another Duke SG who won't be a consistent shooter is this league.

Yes, I know he shot well last year from the college 3, but he was also the third/fourth option until the end of the year for Duke and was left wide open many times. What's he going to do when 6'7 SG's like Klay Thompson are all over him?

I actually liked us sticking to our gut and taking Frank. I've watched all of his workout vids and he is as pure a shooter as anyone in the draft. Leave him open, he will fill it up. Close out too hard and he'll go to the hole. He doesn't have a flail around post game like a Zeller or Hansbrough. He makes quick decisive post moves and scored at will against all the best big men in the NCAA. If you remember, Zeller had a down year before us drafting him for his athletic ability. The knock on him was that he couldn't score in the paint which showed in his soph season at Indiana b/c of his T-Rex arms.

Well, Frank can flat out score the ball from anywhere at 7'1. If he was a Euro, people would love him b/c he'd be in the mix with Porzingis and Herzonaj. I honestly can't believe people are this upset. If Kaminsky does turn out to be a great pro, the "Frank the Tank" marketing will be off the charts. Jordan is a gambler and I actually like this pick.

[martymane]

So let me get this straight,

Frank shot 41% from deep as a SENIOR and he is a great shooter

Winslow shot 41% from deep as a FRESHMAN But he can't shoot

Winslow was the 4th option behind Okafor, Tyus Jones, and Cook for most of the year. Frank hit step back and contested 3's as the number one option on the Wisconsin offense. Justise for the most part was shooting wide open 3's all year from the college line no less. His stroke won't translate as well to the NBA.

So even if we deem Winslow as good of shooter as Frank (which no NBA exec would agree with) b/c they shot the same percentage, we took the one that is almost a foot taller and fills a need. Versus Winslow who is undersized for a SF and where we already have our future in MKG at 6'7.

Our fans would rather have an unproven 18 year old in Herzonaj playing 15 min a game in Barcelona vs. a player who dominated all of college basketball night in and night out? Doesn't make sense to me... People are just hung up on past picks and think this is more of the same. There is a reason Bird, Phil Jackson, Bilas, MJ, Jay Williams, etc etc are all very high on Kaminsky.

HINT: He's a great basketball player.

[BeesWax]

So let me get this straight,

Frank shot 41% from deep as a SENIOR and he is a great shooter

Winslow shot 41% from deep as a FRESHMAN But he can't shoot

Winslow was the 4th option behind Okafor, Tyus Jones, and Cook for most of the year. Frank hit step back and contested 3's as the number one option on the Wisconsin offense. Justise for the most part was shooting wide open 3's all year from the college line no less. His stroke won't translate as well to the NBA.

So even if we deem Winslow as good of shooter as Frank (which no NBA exec would agree with) b/c they shot the same percentage, we took the one that is almost a foot taller and fills a need. Versus Winslow who is undersized for a SF and where we already have our future in MKG at 6'7.

We also took the slower one who can't defend a chair. He sure can hit wide open threes because the big man defending him wasn't in the same zip code though. Fills no need and was a dumb pick.

[chabber]

Well, Frank can flat out score the ball from anywhere at 7'1. If he was a Euro, people would love him b/c he'd be in the mix with Porzingis and Herzonaj. I honestly can't believe people are this upset. If Kaminsky does turn out to be a great pro, the "Frank the Tank" marketing will be off the charts. Jordan is a gambler and I actually like this pick.

First of all great posts! I agree with most everything you are saying, I just didn't feel like getting into all of the hysteria. Also i'm not going to lie, the first time I saw Frank playing, I actually thought he was a Euro. He looked like a baller to me. When I found out he was local, it curbed my view of him a bit. Caught me off guard that my viewpoint could be skewed by that.

Frank is wearing a shirt with a nice big ass on it on his first day on the job. Warming up to him now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/614434303792021504[/tweet]

Wow, that either takes some balls or he's just oblivious. Either way, it hilarious! Eh he'

[ball teacher]

I agree with Martymane, Kaminsky is going to cause fits in the pick and pop game with Kemba. We don't even have to really run a play, just give Kemba the high pick, if he can't get a good shot, pass to Kaminsky who can score from 3pt range with ease, or the elbow. We should always have a good shot option off of that play alone. Teams will have to respect Frank if he is hitting, and that helps Kemba knowing teams dont have the luxury to double him off the picks.

I do not agree that Frank should play center, not yet anyway cause he didnt show alot of strength inside versus other bigs his size, nor much athleticism. I think using him as a pick and pop player is right up his alley. I do think he can post up small power forwards, right now the only worry I have regarding his game is his lateral quickness on defense. Will he struggle to keep up with the tweener power forwards?

I see alot of free space on the court with Kemba, Batum, MKG, Frank and Al. Al will stay around the rim posting up, Frank will give picks to Kemba, Batum, or MKG. Kemba should have a solid year with better offensive players, MKG should have room to operate on the offensive end. Batum is another playmaking forward with versatility, I think he will be a more aggressive Boris Diaw type for us. Then we bring Hawes and Biz or Cody off the bench, we have PJ to stretch the floor, Taylor who is decent and Ridnour who I'm not particulary fond of but at least he can get the offense in it's sets and he can occasionally hit the open jumper. For what Cliff is trying to do, Kaminsky is a very good player to fit that system at the 4 spot. And again, at 7ft tall, he will be shooting over the small ball power forwards with ease.

[catch20two]

Kaminsky gotta win the starting PF spot. Life just became 100x easier for Kemba off the pick and pop. And the driving lane for MKG just got about 3-5 feet wider.

[yosemiteben]

I think I'm ok with Frank because I do think he's a very good fit for this team and I'm excited that I think we'll be a much, much better team this year.

Where it could bite us in the ass is five years down the line.

[InProblematique]

Threads like these are why I hate a lot of my fellow Hornets fans.

Good pick. Quite happy with it. Sick of the inane overreactions.

[LofJ]

I agree with Martymane, Kaminsky is going to cause fits in the pick and pop game with Kemba. We don't even have to really run a play, just give Kemba the high pick, if he can't get a good shot, pass to Kaminsky who can score from 3pt range with ease, or the elbow. We should always have a good shot option off of that play alone. Teams will have to respect Frank if he is hitting, and that helps Kemba knowing teams dont have the luxury to double him off the picks.

I do not agree that Frank should play center, not yet anyway cause he didnt show alot of strength inside versus other bigs his size, nor much athleticism. I think using him as a pick and pop player is right up his alley. I do think he can post up small power forwards, right now the only worry I have regarding his game is his lateral quickness on defense. Will he struggle to keep up with the tweener power forwards?

I see alot of free space on the court with Kemba, Batum, MKG, Frank and Al. Al will stay around the rim posting up, Frank will give picks to Kemba, Batum, or MKG. Kemba should have a solid year with better offensive players, MKG should have room to operate on the offensive end. Batum is another playmaking forward with versatility, I think he will be a more aggressive Boris Diaw type for us. Then we bring Hawes and Biz or Cody off the bench, we have PJ to stretch the floor, Taylor who is decent and Ridnour who I'm not particulary fond of but at least he can get the offense in it's sets and he can occasionally hit the open jumper. For what Cliff is trying to do, Kaminsky is a very good player to fit that system at the 4 spot. And again, at 7ft tall, he will be shooting over the small ball power forwards with ease.

It may have been lost in the craziness of the last two days, but we traded Ridnour to OKC for Jeremy Lamb.

[martymane]

Everyone needs to read this article on how the NBA "big man" is changing then judge the pick. It's the reason so many execs were very high on Frank. Those complaining about our interior defense have not been paying attention to the direction the league is heading.

"Post-ups appear to be dying, and on the surface, these playoffs read like their obituary."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-interrupt-this-eulogy-for-the-nba-post-up-game-to-bring-you-its-rebirth/

[EmpireFalls]

Everyone needs to read this article on how the NBA "big man" is changing then judge the pick. It's the reason so many execs were very high on Frank. Those complaining about our interior defense have not been paying attention to the direction the league is heading.

"Post-ups appear to be dying, and on the surface, these playoffs read like their obituary."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-interrupt-this-eulogy-for-the-nba-post-up-game-to-bring-you-its-rebirth/

Right, and in their place we need speed, versatility, length, and the ability to switch onto guards.

I love Frank's offensive game, in all honesty I do. But his defense is just subpar and will be exposed in today's nba.

[MKGsMotor]

We drafted Bargnani

[Soul Rebel]

I get that Frank's defense is going to be rough at the next level, but he could improve that facet with time. Even if he doesn't, I'm confused as to fan's pointing out his defensive deficiencies, while also complaining that we don't have enough offense. In an ideal world, we get a solid 2-way player that can defend and score buckets, but where was that player at 9.... and don't say Justice Winslow. Winslow would've been just as much of an offensive gamble, as Kaminsky is a defensive gamble.

I'd rather judge Frank on the eye test in '15/'16, but fully in about 3-4 years. During his rookie deal, I think Frank can hit the weight room a little bit, work on his quickness and improve his defense.

[martymane]

Everyone needs to read this article on how the NBA "big man" is changing then judge the pick. It's the reason so many execs were very high on Frank. Those complaining about our interior defense have not been paying attention to the direction the league is heading.

"Post-ups appear to be dying, and on the surface, these playoffs read like their obituary."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-interrupt-this-eulogy-for-the-nba-post-up-game-to-bring-you-its-rebirth/

Right, and in their place we need speed, versatility, length, and the ability to switch onto guards.

I love Frank's offensive game, in all honesty I do. But his defense is just subpar and will be exposed in today's nba.

We were 8th in the league in team defensive efficiency last year and added a better defender in Batum to replace Hendo.

I don't believe it's going to be as easy to score against a lineup of Kemba (6'1), Batum (6'8), MKG (6'7), Frank (7'1), and Al (6'10) as some of y'all seem to think...

I mean 4 of our 5 starters will have a 7 foot wingspan pretty much. That's crazy.

[yosemiteben]

Last season we were league worst in efficiency and three point shooting, and borderline elite in defensive efficiency with a coach who clearly has a knack for building reliable defenses. People are complaining about us addressing the thing we spent all last year complaining about - our lack of shooting.

[LofJ]

Everyone needs to read this article on how the NBA "big man" is changing then judge the pick. It's the reason so many execs were very high on Frank. Those complaining about our interior defense have not been paying attention to the direction the league is heading.

"Post-ups appear to be dying, and on the surface, these playoffs read like their obituary."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-interrupt-this-eulogy-for-the-nba-post-up-game-to-bring-you-its-rebirth/

Rim defense isn't dying though and outside of Biz we have no one that can do that. Bogut wasn't much use in the finals, but they never would have gotten there without him. The Grizzlies would be in the finals without Bogut. That isn't a strike against Kaminsky because being able to play multiple styles well is essential to being successful. If we let Biz go this organization is straight dumb. I agree that Frank does offer us a lot of flexibility but he's not a perfect player, we still need guys who can defend bigs out on the perimeter and protect the rim.

[martymane]

Everyone needs to read this article on how the NBA "big man" is changing then judge the pick. It's the reason so many execs were very high on Frank. Those complaining about our interior defense have not been paying attention to the direction the league is heading.

"Post-ups appear to be dying, and on the surface, these playoffs read like their obituary."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-interrupt-this-eulogy-for-the-nba-post-up-game-to-bring-you-its-rebirth/

Rim defense isn't dying though and outside of Biz we have no one that can do that. Bogut wasn't much use in the finals, but they never would have gotten there without him. The Grizzlies would be in the finals without Bogut. That isn't a strike against Kaminsky because being able to play multiple styles well is essential to being successful. If we let Biz go this organization is straight dumb. I agree that Frank does offer us a lot of flexibility but he's not a perfect player, we still need guys who can defend bigs out on the perimeter and protect the rim.

But....... We won't need much rim defense if Batum and MKG are doing their jobs. Why are some of y'all complaining about the one thing this team IS GOOD AT? Defense is the only thing Cliff has proven to have a knack for. If he wasn't worried about Al's defense why would he worry about Frank's? We needed a floor spacer and scoring. He provides both and is the perfect pick and pop guy with Kemba. It will be a nightmare to guard.

I agree we should keep Biz, if possible. Still see potential. Just a bit!

[LofJ]

Everyone needs to read this article on how the NBA "big man" is changing then judge the pick. It's the reason so many execs were very high on Frank. Those complaining about our interior defense have not been paying attention to the direction the league is heading.

"Post-ups appear to be dying, and on the surface, these playoffs read like their obituary."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-interrupt-this-eulogy-for-the-nba-post-up-game-to-bring-you-its-rebirth/

Rim defense isn't dying though and outside of Biz we have no one that can do that. Bogut wasn't much use in the finals, but they never would have gotten there without him. The Grizzlies would be in the finals without Bogut. That isn't a strike against Kaminsky because being able to play multiple styles well is essential to being successful. If we let Biz go this organization is straight dumb. I agree that Frank does offer us a lot of flexibility but he's not a perfect player, we still need guys who can defend bigs out on the perimeter and protect the rim.

But....... We won't need much rim defense if Batum and MKG are doing their jobs. Why are some of y'all complaining about the one thing this team IS GOOD AT? Defense is the only thing Cliff has proven to have a knack for. If he wasn't worried about Al's defense why would he worry about Frank's? We needed a floor spacer and scoring. He provides both and is the perfect pick and pop guy with Kemba. It will be a nightmare to guard.

I agree we should keep Biz, if possible. Still see potential. Just a bit!

We have no chance in hell against teams like Cleveland, Chicago, and Miami that have multiple players that can drive to the rim without someone to have MKG and Batum's back when they inevitably get burned against those teams. Lebron/Kyrie, Rose/Butler, and Dragic/Wade/WInslow are too good at slashing for us to contain them all game.

[EwingSweatsALot]

So we passed on a **** ton of picks from Boston including at least one of the Nets unprotected picks from Boston.

If this doesn't pan out....