2015 Draft Thread - Part 1

[keynote]

There's something about a sweaty sheen against the backdrop of dark skin...

sigworthy?

[nate33]

There's something about a sweaty sheen against the backdrop of dark skin...

sigworthy?

[W. Unseld]

It does kind of sound like Dr. Evil talking about a "sheered scrot#m"

[Jaekast]

We should start a Bobby Portis Shrine and instead of paying homage to Portis we can instead berate Kelly Oubre all day long......starting with his shoes and moving on from there. And 10 years from now when Bobby Portis has championship rings on 8 fingers & 2 opposable thumbs, we can look back at the infamous 2015 NBA draft with great remorse and sorrow for what could have been . R.I.P. Wizards Franchise #BobbyportisG.O.A.T.

[Jaekast]

Bobby Portis, game changer #thenextbigthing, savior of franchises. Srsly guys, get over this stiff already. He's about as athletic as our second round pick.

[WizardsMemes]

Any chance the Wizards get Cliff Alexander on the Summer League team? He can't stretch the floor as the four, but he's a gritty, energy guy who we should definitely take a chance on.

[WizardsMemes]

Bobby Portis, game changer #thenextbigthing, savior of franchises. Srsly guys, get over this stiff already. He's about as athletic as our second round pick.

Oubre is going to be better than Portis. Higher ceiling, and he fits what Trevor Ariza was for us in 2014.

[Ruzious]

Bobby Portis, game changer #thenextbigthing, savior of franchises. Srsly guys, get over this stiff already. He's about as athletic as our second round pick.

Obviously you haven't seen the sweaty sheen against the backdrop of his skin...

Actually, with Portis' size, length, and skills, he doesn't need to be much of an athuhlete to excel. Chicago's got a wealth of talent up front. Don't tell Durant.

[nuposse04]

What rubs me the wrong way, is that essentially both of our draft picks will contribute little, or next to nothing (especially White if he goes overseas) and we're a team short on assets, can't really spend...that needs to improve in order to get prominent FA attention...so how do we rectify that in the draft? Well lets draft TWO guys who can't help much in year one.

It looks like EG and the Zards made the decision that the long-term upside of Oubre was more valuable than the short-term benefit of a more NBA-ready player like Grant...or maybe Portis. We'll have to wait and see if that was the smart move.

It was very unlikely that the #49 pick would have been of much help in year one.

I don't mind them choosing what they think is the BPA when it comes to Oubre...but if the whole goal of this two year plan is to show we are an attractive team on the rise to Durant...or anyone else worth a damn...we actually need to improve as a team. Now since he isn't going to be here this season (supposedly) I would have gone guys potential who wanted to be here, and we could have developed...(Woods, Alexander, Jiteh etc...). My motivation for that is also, now someone who understands contracts better then me let me know.... A potentially useful 2nd round player this year ought to be significantly cheaper to sign this season then when the cap balloons right? I don't fault White for waiting for more money, but if we could have gotten someone who could be equally as effective as him while being cheaper....well then why not? Is he THAT good? Even if it is JUST the 49th pick, I want to squeeze all the value I can out of it.

So yeah, if our only hope is that the improvements of Wall+Beal+porter will make the team better while staving off the departure of Pierce and the decline of Nene.... Eh... should be another treadmill season coming up unless Pierce actually stays or we find a diamond in the rough Big in FA (Birch, maybe Ed Davis at MLE money etc...)

I will say though, Oubre's production in year one leads me to believe he may not be as bad as projected in his rookie season. Dude has potential, just don't understand the fit unless we can get Porter to add 10 lbs of muscles to his legs lol.

[nate33]

I will say though, Oubre's production in year one leads me to believe he may not be as bad as projected in his rookie season. Dude has potential, just don't understand the fit unless we can get Porter to add 10 lbs of muscles to his legs lol.

Man. That would be so awesome if Porter developed the strength to be a stretch four full time. If we landed Durant, we could potentially have 5 interchangeable guys to guard positions 1 through 4 (Wall, Beal, Oubre, Durant, Porter).

[nuposse04]

There's something about a sweaty sheen against the backdrop of dark skin...

sigworthy?

lol, it could be that Nate, but he doesn't appear to be the most chiseled individual. He could use some more girth against bigger 4s since I don't think he will be all too useful in guarding perimeter S4s. The only 4s I thought were strong enough right away would have been Portis, Alexander, R. Holmes and Harrell. And I only preferred 3 of those 4. So the odds were I'd be complaining about potential strength issues either way...

[gambitx777]

YES I am ok with Aaron White! 6'9 Rebounds well, plays solid D, high energy effort guy, He can stretch the floor a bit too.

You mean "rebounds poorly", right? 9.5 per 40 minutes -- Oubre out-rebounds White!

Still... not a terrible pick -- especially given that the guy I'd have taken, Cliff Alexander, wasn't even drafted. Lets look back later and see whether that was a mistake.

white put down about 7.3 rebounds a game last year, he is not a poor rebounder, he's a good rebounder, not a great or really good, just good, respectable, or solid. I don't care much for per 40 numbers much, I would rather look at game logs, per game and totals. Kelly Obre pulled down 4.9 a game last year and in total got 179 rebounds. White had a total of 248. But like you said not a terrible pick, I just clearly like him more than some. I wish we would not stash him in europe for a year! I would rather have him on the team or send him to the D league, at least in the D league we can bring him in if we want or need too.

[nuposse04]

I will say though, Oubre's production in year one leads me to believe he may not be as bad as projected in his rookie season. Dude has potential, just don't understand the fit unless we can get Porter to add 10 lbs of muscles to his legs lol.

Man. That would be so awesome if Porter developed the strength to be a stretch four full time. If we landed Durant, we could potentially have 5 interchangeable guys to guard positions 1 through 4 (Wall, Beal, Oubre, Durant, Porter).

Porter has good upper body strength I believe... if you use bench press as a gauge of upper body strength at least, I believe he was on Melo's level at the combine. He just needs to be in the gym doing legs day like every other day....hard. The lineup you detail is scary, but it is really dependent on Porter. I think he will add some strength this off season, maybe 5lbs tops, but I'd prefer it be his lower body.

[AFM]

Like I said...You have the lower body and you have no upper body, you got a problem building...wait a minute. You have the upper body, and you have no legs, you got a problem building your legs. You have the upper...you have the lower body and you don't have the upper body, the upper body, it is easier to build. So if you have the lower body and you don't have the upper body, it is easier to build the upper body. You have the upper body and you don't have the legs, you got a problem building the lower body... No, you don't understand. You have the upper body, but you don't have the lower body, you got a problem building downstairs. You got the up- legs on the bottom, it is easier to build on the top, so you don't have much as a problem. Yeah.

[gambitx777]

I want to see Obre shut guys down in summer league, I want to see him hitting 3's I want him going for at least 10-15 points a game, around 5 boards, 1-2 steals, and I want him to limit his turn overs.

[BruceO]

I don't understand how you people are not happy about Kelly oubre. He was out of the range I expected but dude is going to be really good.

You're thinking that this means they don't care about porter but the reality is a team like GS had multiple good wings. Oubre is going to be very good. He has work ethic and I see him getting to be as good as the Paul Georges and Jimmy butlers.

He's already going to be working out with wiggins and Beal this summer. Don't think about him from a porter replacement perspective but from a playoff nine rotation player perspective and he'll be one of them.

Ernie really got us a solid two way player who can be almost all star level or even an all star with the 19th pick as a basis. Kawhi was picked at the same slot this kid was picked. Kawhi grew cause of work ethic. This kid has that ethic and a huge upside which I have no doubt he'll achieve.

Nick young 2.0 ? Same size and frame yeah but if nick had work ethic and was smart or passed the ball he'd be a top two guard in this league. We got ourselves ad baller. I can not be more pleased at our range

[BruceO]

Ran Oubre through my statistical doppelganger machine looking for "most similar" guys. Closest match was PJ Tucker's freshman year, but not really all that close a match. Where 100 is an exact match, Tucker's "similarity" was only an 85.

Going down from there, here are the other "most similar" from previous years -- Victor Oladipo (SO), Luther Head (SO), Quincy Miller (FR), Danny Green (FR).

His closest match this year was actually Myles Turner, who's a PF/C.

White's statistical similars were SFs and SGs. His closest match was also an 85 -- that was Quincy Pondexter (SR). After that, Jeff Taylor (SR), Elias Harris (SR), Cory Jefferson (SR), Perry Jones (SO), Andre Emmet (SR), Jon Leuer (JR & SR).

when you run Paul George college numbers what do you get as comparisons? How about wiggins?

With Kelly oubre coming from Kansas where their numbers are naturally deflated and he went through a learning curve period I hesitate to use his numbers to quantify him. Then he has the type of athleticism that the nba being wide open will help him. I get a Paul George, Andrew wiggins type vibe from him when they came out. Type players you think will do good in the pros and they all had that frame and athleticism.

Kelly oubre work ethic now that he's in the pros with make his college numbers Irrelevant

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[TheSecretWeapon]

Ran Oubre through my statistical doppelganger machine looking for "most similar" guys. Closest match was PJ Tucker's freshman year, but not really all that close a match. Where 100 is an exact match, Tucker's "similarity" was only an 85.

Going down from there, here are the other "most similar" from previous years -- Victor Oladipo (SO), Luther Head (SO), Quincy Miller (FR), Danny Green (FR).

His closest match this year was actually Myles Turner, who's a PF/C.

White's statistical similars were SFs and SGs. His closest match was also an 85 -- that was Quincy Pondexter (SR). After that, Jeff Taylor (SR), Elias Harris (SR), Cory Jefferson (SR), Perry Jones (SO), Andre Emmet (SR), Jon Leuer (JR & SR).

when you run Paul George college numbers what do you get as comparisons? How about wiggins?

With Kelly oubre coming from Kansas where their numbers are naturally deflated and he went through a learning curve period I hesitate to use his numbers to quantify him. Then he has the type of athleticism that the nba being wide open will help him. I get a Paul George, Andrew wiggins type vibe from him when they came out. Type players you think will do good in the pros and they all had that frame and athleticism.

Kelly oubre work ethic now that he's in the pros with make his college numbers Irrelevant

So, I re-ran Oubre through the doppelganger machine with the revised measurement. Here's the new "similar" list: PJ Tucker (FR), Rudy Gay (FR), LaMarcus Aldridge (FR), Trevor Booker (SO), Otto Porter (SO), David Lee (JR), Greg Monroe (FR), Danny Green (JR), Josh Howard (JR).

Paul George similars: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (SO), Caron Butler (FR), Ronnie Brewer (FR), Tony Allen (FR), Danny Granger (JR).

I didn't run YODA on last year's draft, so no Wiggins. I may run it if I get time just for the hell of it.

[gambitx777]

Can we all agree that this dud is the real MVP of the Draft lol !
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