Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

[THE DINJ]

I dunno, Gery said ....

LOL

[emunney]

Wonder what the Jazz want for Favors.

[Baddy Chuck]

Wonder what the Jazz want for Favors.

I'd imagine closer to someone like Parker then our other assets.

[Prez]

Koufos. We should just get Koufos on a good deal and that's more than enough. Huge, mobile, two-way player. Very good rim protector and solid finisher around the basket. Not a skilled post scorer like Lopez or an athletic freak like DJ but he'll be rock solid on both ends. He could be our Mozgov. Roll with Koufos/Henson/Zaza, Plumlee can fit in wherever he earns his place.

We should explore the Adams situation in OKC as well.

[Baddy Chuck]

3 years toe Chandler? Chandler is already in decline, clogs up the land on offense....that is a pretty crappy list...might just ride with the 3 the bucks have, find a vet stretch 4

Personally I think this idea is a little overstated with guys like Chandler/Jordan. Sure it would be nice to have a guy who can stick a jumper but they take up a ton of attention when they're near the basket and are huge threats on pick and rolls, if you leave these guys you can be punished pretty easily. Pretty much what "good" Henson does except at a higher level. Especially amplified if you believe Parker/Giannis are going to command a ton of attention offensively.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Trying to make more sense of yesterday's events....

Could our biggest attempt at a fa move really be signing one of the shorter term name sg's with local ties like Wade or Butler, while just letting Middleton go or s&t'ing him for the most we can get? Then their plan could be Vaughn steps in place of them in 2-3 years when he's 21-22. I think especially Wade would make sense with that idea because there's little chance he'd be a viable starter beyond that and theoretically he fits in lineups with Vasquez who can share ball-handling duties, guard 2's, and shoot off the ball some.

I don't think yesterday's events, barring future ones, inkle a pursuit of a center much. We still have all 3 of our centers in Henson, Zaza, and Plumlee. We didn't move any yet. That more than covers us from a #'s perspective, especially with the small ball trend. We'd probably have to move one to make Chandler or Rolo part of the plan too. Could have in part drafted Vaughn as a solid to Schwartz to improve our chances of landing Chandler. But then Middleton would need to be s&t'ed for Wade/Butler if you're going to try and add both.

id want to hear the contract numbers being demanded and the return we could get on middleton before I said no. If a team is enamored and offered up a fat package then bye bye middleton for me.

as far as wade goes..... i could be convinced of that too. but then again i liked when the sjax thing was announced as well so i will be the first to admit my opinion should be cautiously considered when aging name guys are brought into the discussion.

[mattg]

3 years toe Chandler? Chandler is already in decline, clogs up the land on offense....that is a pretty crappy list...might just ride with the 3 the bucks have, find a vet stretch 4

Personally I think this idea is a little overstated with guys like Chandler/Jordan. Sure it would be nice to have a guy who can stick a jumper but they take up a ton of attention when they're near the basket and are huge threats on pick and rolls, if you leave these guys you can be punished pretty easily. Pretty much what "good" Henson does except at a higher level. Especially amplified if you believe Parker/Giannis are going to command a ton of attention offensively.

Yeah guys like chandler/Jordan are valuable offensively because they stick to their small role and excel at it. Jordan in particular is a great offensive center more than anything else because he finishes goddamn everything near the rim and doesn't try to be anything more than that. Even with ideal spacing you're going to want someone near the paint or baseline ready to duck in for easy chances.

[xTitan]

3 years toe Chandler? Chandler is already in decline, clogs up the land on offense....that is a pretty crappy list...might just ride with the 3 the bucks have, find a vet stretch 4

Personally I think this idea is a little overstated with guys like Chandler/Jordan. Sure it would be nice to have a guy who can stick a jumper but they take up a ton of attention when they're near the basket and are huge threats on pick and rolls, if you leave these guys you can be punished pretty easily. Pretty much what "good" Henson does except at a higher level. Especially amplified if you believe Parker/Giannis are going to command a ton of attention offensively.

I agree when they are on a team with shooters, but they are on a team where 3 starters strengths are attacking the basket, not shooting, so basically they clog the lane. When you can' t space the floor this allows defenses to collapse the lane which takes away their put back/lob abilities...plus I just hate watching bad offense, prefer a free flowing, strong passing game. I know Zaza is average on his best day, but he might have been the best passer on the team out of the high post and every now and again could knock down a 12 foot jumper.

[Baddy Chuck]

When you can' t space the floor this allows defenses to collapse the lane which takes away their put back/lob abilities..

This is where I just don't agree. I mean if you had like Bogut or something standing there I think it causes a lot of problems but having a guy who is an absolute monster in the pick and roll or stepping in from the baseline can aid a driving team a ton.

[WRau1]

Sign Jason Kapono to play C then schedule our championship parade for next June.

[jimmybones]

By itself, or with Chandler or Lopez/Middleton, the Vasquez trade doesn't make sense.

I think they wanted to upgrade the backup PG spot and Kidd hand picked Vasquez as the best realistically obtainable option. I'm not saying that was the right choice, but I'm pretty confident that's how it played out. With MCW, you need a backup that can shoot. If I had to guess the other reasons I'd think it's willingness to pass and how that can help Jabari/Giannis, PnR potential, size, passion and locker room presence.

Ennis isn't ready, Marshall won't be healthy, Gutierrez lol no. I'm pleased if Kidd identified his buddy Bayless as a spot to upgrade.

[Xanadu]

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[Xanadu]

I would actually prefer Kanter to all the centers being kicked around......IS Myers Leonard avialable? I am guessing Portland won't let him go with the other likely defections.

I'd rather have Robin Lopez than Kanter without question. Lopez isn't great at anything, but is solid at most everything. Play him 30 minutes and we could get about 12 points and 9 boards, with solid defense. He's also only 26.

Problem is though he'll have multiple other suitors.

The more I hear about RoLo the less I want him. Seems overrated around the league and on this board. Not worth the contract I would much rather take a chance on a cheap unknown like KOQ, Ajinca, or Koufus. Doesn't seem to be the way were going but would prefer any of those to almost all the big name centers. Just think a young guy buried on the bench who could explode with starter minutes is the way to go. If it doesn't work out not much lost. If you sign a vet to a large contract and it doesn't work out it could seriously hurt the future of this team. Just think a guy like Koufus could thrive with starters minutes and could be had for a lot less then the big name guys.

[Xanadu]

Koufos. We should just get Koufos on a good deal and that's more than enough. Huge, mobile, two-way player. Very good rim protector and solid finisher around the basket. Not a skilled post scorer like Lopez or an athletic freak like DJ but he'll be rock solid on both ends. He could be our Mozgov. Roll with Koufos/Henson/Zaza, Plumlee can fit in wherever he earns his place.

We should explore the Adams situation in OKC as well.

So totally agree just makes so much more sense for this team and where the Bucks are at right now. Signing a guy like Lopez or even Dj could potentially derail our future. I think you wait at least one more year to go after a big name so you can see how the core of MCW Jabari and Giannis are developing together. This year we should use the cap space to bring in some young unproven bench guys and give them some more minutes to see if we can find a diamond in the rough. See if we sign a big name now and the MCW experiment doesn't work and his value becomes to negative what would you do to replace him? I would look to free agency or a trade to bring in a capable PG to fit next Giannis and Parker. If our cap space is tied up in Midds and a middle tier center or a potentially bad fit we may not have the flexibility to make the move we need to make when that last piece becomes available.

The end goal is a championship and the key is not to rush that process. We are ahead of schedule now don't get greedy.

Anybody know what free agent PGs are potentially out there next year?

[mattg]

When you can' t space the floor this allows defenses to collapse the lane which takes away their put back/lob abilities..

This is where I just don't agree. I mean if you had like Bogut or something standing there I think it causes a lot of problems but having a guy who is an absolute monster in the pick and roll or stepping in from the baseline can aid a driving team a ton.

Yeah you want a guy there for the dump off. The issue is having perimeter players that aren't a threat to shoot, not a monster finishing 7fter not having range.

[Stoltz3]

What do you think the difference in seeding would be if we were to get DJ compared to a guy such as Rolo?

[Xanadu]

Think you are overthinking it Bern. I expect Middleton back and Lopez, Lopez, or Chandler signed. I'll be shocked if Mids isn't a Buck next year.

I try to eventually operate under the belief most people are reasonable, and so there is a logical thought process behind what they do, even if it may be wrong. I don't know, maybe I shouldn't operate under that belief, but with Kohl gone I thought it was warranted for a while.

By itself, or with Chandler or Lopez/Middleton, the Vasquez trade doesn't make sense. Vaughn makes a little sense, but it only adds to the confusion if Middleton is back. So that's where I'm at right now. Hoping and half expecting there is some kind of Chip Kelly revelation at the end here where I get where they were going with this.

There is some logic behind these moves. Kidd is the logic he is now the czar of bball in Milwaukee and if you can't see it I feel sorry for you cause it will blindside you when he trades Giannis for Al Jefferson.

Seriously though I think this is just Kidd saying he likes a guy and tells Hammond go get him. As far as Vaughn I want to think it was just BPA on Hammond's board but a small paranoid part of me says its Kidd hooking up another of his agents clients. OK maybe that part isn't so small. God Kidd with absolute power scares the **** out of me.

[El Duderino]

Seriously though I think this is just Kidd saying he likes a guy and tells Hammond go get him. As far as Vaughn I want to think it was just BPA on Hammond's board but a small paranoid part of me says its Kidd hooking up another of his agents clients. OK maybe that part isn't so small. God Kidd with absolute power scares the **** out of me.

I'm just as scared as many here are of Kidd getting to much power in roster building.

That said, i just have a hard time buying into the favor to his agent angle with our draft pick and even more so if a big contract is handed out to a free agent who also happens to be a client of Schwartz.

For the Bucks to eventually reach the legit contender status which Kidd clearly wants, he's going to need the talent on the court to get that far. Being a former player on good teams himself, Kidd knows this. So i just have a hard time believing that he's out there deciding that doing a favor for his agent was of high importance on who the Bucks would choose in the first round, instead of who he and the rest of the staff had highest on their board.

Like how exactly would that work out. Everyone from Kidd, Hammond, all of the scouts, and the analytics staff put together their draft board after countless hours of work and then the Bucks get on the clock. There are say 2-3 players rated above Vaughn, but Kidd jumps in and says hey sorry everyone, gotta do a favor for my agent so the pick is going to have be Vaughn? Or was he super cagey about making sure his agent's client was picked, regardless of whether Vaughn was rated highest?

Then once free agency opens. Kidd is going to talk with Schwartz and ask him, hey which of your centers needs help most with a big multi-year offer, even if that center may not be the best fit and that a major signing like that would have huge implication for years going forward as to whether Kidd will be able to win as much as he badly wants to? But at least Kidd will have helped his buddy agent.

[Prince12]

Alex Kennedy tweeting we are still heavily interested in Kanter.
Will cost less then Jordan, will space the floor a bit but is a doormat on D.
I'd still take Jordan.

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