Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion

[bigfoot]

The 1-2 3pt shooters on the floor isn't a new concept either. Rockets with Hakeem did it... Robinson and the spurs had it. Suns Ainge and Majerle in the KJ/Barkley era.. It's not a new concept.

Actually the Rockets played the four out in 94-95. Robert Horry was probably the original stretch 4. Kenny Smith, Mario Ellie, Clyde Drexler, and Robert Horry all shot very well at three point range.

Houston took close to 1800 three pointers that year ... 400 more than their competition. Funny that GSW took 2200 three pointers this year ... 400 more than their opponents. Really need four good three point shooters on the court not 1-2.

[thamadkant]

The 1-2 3pt shooters on the floor isn't a new concept either. Rockets with Hakeem did it... Robinson and the spurs had it. Suns Ainge and Majerle in the KJ/Barkley era.. It's not a new concept.

Actually the Rockets played the four out in 94-95. Robert Horry was probably the original stretch 4. Kenny Smith, Mario Ellie, Clyde Drexler, and Robert Horry all shot very well at three point range.

Houston took close to 1800 three pointers that year ... 400 more than their competition. Funny that GSW took 2200 three pointers this year ... 400 more than their opponents. Really need four good three point shooters on the court not 1-2.

Agreed.

That Rockets team would win championships today.

Hakeem surrounded by Horry, Elie, Maxwell, Smith.... Geez. Poor centers going one on one against the dream.

Spurs also had a few of shooters back then. Del Negro, Ellis, Person surrounding Robinson.

The 3-pt surrounding a great big man Is not a new concept.

If I had a big man as good as Cousins, Davis etc. I'll plug 3 shooters around him and let the opponents pick their poison.


Hence Knight to me is the keeper between Bledsoe and him. Because you need a PG who can nail the 3. Besides Goodwin can bring the athleticism, Bookers can be a specialist 3pt...Bogdan the all rounder.
Bledsoe is a heck of a player but needs to be on a team with great shooting already.

Maybe to Mavericks for Parsons and a future unprotected first? Lol

[nevetsov]

What ever happened to Ryan Anderson? he was a really good rebounding stretch four for a while.

[SkinnyOMiller]

I don't think Milsap would leave a winning situation in Atlanta for us.

$$$$, bruh. If we can't even ply a FA like Millsap then we're in deep dog doodoo.

Milsap would be a nice addition but not a guy who makes this team a championship contender or even a lock to make the playoffs, all it does is lock you into mediocrity, much like the Suns in the late 90's were.

[SkinnyOMiller]

I don't think Milsap would leave a winning situation in Atlanta for us.

$$$$, bruh. If we can't even ply a FA like Millsap then we're in deep dog doodoo.

But then that raises another problem...to get Milsap to come here, we have to overpay him. Are we really at the point where we can overpay a Tier 2 guy like Paul Milsap? Don't you run the risk of tying up too much money in a team that's good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to get past the first round?

Exactly. If you're a fringe playoff team, you shouldn't be overpaying a guy like Milsap just so you can move from 9th or 10th seed to 7th or 8th seed.


I also don't buy the notion that this team will become attractive to free agents just by making the playoffs, at least not the free agents that really matter, those guys are looking at teams that are legit title contenders, not teams barely squeaking into the playoffs.

[bigfoot]

The 1-2 3pt shooters on the floor isn't a new concept either. Rockets with Hakeem did it... Robinson and the spurs had it. Suns Ainge and Majerle in the KJ/Barkley era.. It's not a new concept.

Actually the Rockets played the four out in 94-95. Robert Horry was probably the original stretch 4. Kenny Smith, Mario Ellie, Clyde Drexler, and Robert Horry all shot very well at three point range.

Houston took close to 1800 three pointers that year ... 400 more than their competition. Funny that GSW took 2200 three pointers this year ... 400 more than their opponents. Really need four good three point shooters on the court not 1-2.

Agreed.

That Rockets team would win championships today.

Hakeem surrounded by Horry, Elie, Maxwell, Smith.... Geez. Poor centers going one on one against the dream.

Spurs also had a few of shooters back then. Del Negro, Ellis, Person surrounding Robinson.

The 3-pt surrounding a great big man Is not a new concept.

If I had a big man as good as Cousins, Davis etc. I'll plug 3 shooters around him and let the opponents pick their poison.


Hence Knight to me is the keeper between Bledsoe and him. Because you need a PG who can nail the 3. Besides Goodwin can bring the athleticism, Bookers can be a specialist 3pt...Bogdan the all rounder.
Bledsoe is a heck of a player but needs to be on a team with great shooting already.

Maybe to Mavericks for Parsons and a future unprotected first? Lol

Really there are two ways to play the four-out. Superb big man (Duncan, Hakeem) and four shooters playing inside out. Alternatively you play the Kentucky-style with a PG who can drive and either 1) make the layup or 2) kick the ball out to an open shooter when the defense collapses. Bledsoe can certainly get to the hoop. He has very high shooting percentage within 3 feet of the basket (.644). He just sucks everywhere else on the court shooting less than .400 and his decision making on the kick out pass is suspect. Too many turnovers last year. It really does make sense to move Bledsoe unless he has been working on his three point shooting this summer. Otherwise we really need to move him for a good PF.

[carey]

What ever happened to Ryan Anderson? he was a really good rebounding stretch four for a while.

A very scary neck injury. He was back playing well at the end of the year though.

[JMac1]

Gallinari, Mirotic, Cousins

Give Nuggets Cavs 2016 pick +
Give bulls Morris twins + Tucker +



Sign Danny Green


Cousins / Mirotic / Galinari / Green /Knight

Would give Warriors a run for their money offensively and 3pt shots made.

Could Galinari play the stretch four? Not enough defense huh?!

[carey]

Milsap would be a nice addition but not a guy who makes this team a championship contender or even a lock to make the playoffs, all it does is lock you into mediocrity, much like the Suns in the late 90's were.

No one player does that except for LeBron James. My vote is to move the Morris twins and sign Millsap if we don't get Love or LMA. Even if we have to overpay a little I think we'll be a much better team. Regardless, I think the real problem, as I've said many times, is our back court. I just don't think Bledsoe & Knight compliment each other.

[AtheJ415]

Gallinari, Mirotic, Cousins

Give Nuggets Cavs 2016 pick +
Give bulls Morris twins + Tucker +



Sign Danny Green


Cousins / Mirotic / Galinari / Green /Knight

Would give Warriors a run for their money offensively and 3pt shots made.

Could Galinari play the stretch four? Not enough defense huh?!

Galinari can play the 3 and 4, and he's actually quite a good fit here. I've advocated for him going back to last season. Also young enough to grow with our core. As a guy being sold by his team, we may be able to get him at a good price.

[AtheJ415]

Milsap would be a nice addition but not a guy who makes this team a championship contender or even a lock to make the playoffs, all it does is lock you into mediocrity, much like the Suns in the late 90's were.

No one player does that except for LeBron James. My vote is to move the Morris twins and sign Millsap if we don't get Love or LMA. Even if we have to overpay a little I think we'll be a much better team. Regardless, I think the real problem, as I've said many times, is our back court. I just don't think Bledsoe & Knight compliment each other.

Also this. I don't understand the criteria advocated by so many here that any FA signing has to get us to the playoffs. The only guy who could do that and is going to be an FA is Lebron, who isn't leaving Cleveland, and Aldridge or Love, who will be very though to get. The criteria, imo, should be to get someone who can have a real impact on our core group, either through veteran leadership or by getting someone young enough to be a part of our core.

Our window begins when the elite teams start to age and decline, and when the younger teams (us and New Orleans) begin to age into their primes. For us that will probably be 2-3 years from now. We've set ourselves up well imo, despite some of the whining I read on here, and shouldn't just abandon ship for a quick fix now.

[JMac1]

The Memphis Grizzlies are one of the teams pursuing Denver Nuggets forward Danilo Gallinari, according to ESPN's Marc Stein. Yahoo Sports' Marc Spears reported on Wednesday that the Nuggets had made Gallinari available.

Gallinari, as long as he can stay healthy, is just what the Grizzlies need. His shooting would be a huge boost, and he won't compromise their excellent defense. After a way-too-long road back from a torn ACL, Gallinari looked great for Denver in the last six weeks of the season. He even had a 47-point game in a one-point, double-overtime loss to the Dallas Mavericks in April.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25224687/report-grizzlies-pursuing-danilo-gallinari-trade-with-nuggets

Lawson out, Bledsoe in?!

[JMac1]

Galinari can play the 3 and 4, and he's actually quite a good fit here. I've advocated for him going back to last season. Also young enough to grow with our core. As a guy being sold by his team, we may be able to get him at a good price.

Hmm... Watching his 47 pt game vs Dallas, it appears he is playing the 4


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAqhXv955cI[/youtube]

[DirtyDez]

How many seasons now have Suns' fans been pimping Danilo Gallinari?

[bwgood77]

bigs still available:

Jonathan Holmes
Christian Wood
Robert Upshaw
Cliff Alexander

Enough upside there to take chance on one of these guys for our summer roster

Wow, surprised Wood and Alexander didn't get drafted. I guess there is a reason. I wish they'd at least invite TJ McConnell to our summer roster.

[thamadkant]

I'm up for Gallinari.
Ship Morris twins out for Gallinari.

Granger and Gallinari forward Combination will allow 3s to rain. Len will need to be able to guard the other team's best interior player though. Hence a backup defensive PF/C will come handy.

Wright would be good there, but if he leaves... Sign Jordan Hill!!

[thamadkant]

How many seasons now have Suns' fans been pimping Danilo Gallinari?

3

[thamadkant]

Need a player who can guard players like Melo, Lebron, Durant though... Iguadala level defender... Tucker ain't it.

[bwgood77]

Also, I'd like to give Goodwin a shot at being our backup 1. It makes sense given our roster logjam at the combo spot, as Goodwin is more of a 1 than any of our other bench guards.

I agree with this if we ever need a backup 1. With Bledsoe/Knight, it would be silly not to have one of them on the floor at all times, but if we trade or one gets injured, or for whatever reason they both need a rest or we are in a blowout either way, Goodwin should play the 1. If he ever plays right now, it should be with Knight, because at least Knight can shoot.

[letsgosuns]

I mentioned Gallinari within the past couple of days also. I would take him. I watched his recent highlights and he just reminds a lot of Stojakovich. Fantastic shooter and 6'10". If he is healthy, any team would love to have him.