Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

[Braggins]

I realized that I'm not nearly as upset about picking Frank as I am about the Batum trade. Zeller, Kaminsky, Biz, and Vonleh would have been a sweet big rotation in two years. Passing Justice is still silly imo, but it wouldn't seem nearly as bad if hadn't just traded away our best young asset to fill the position Winslow could have with a guy that we probably can't retain after this season.

I think we would be in much better shape with Frank if we had just acquired Lamb and not done any trades. We could have used the extra seconds we got from the draft to offload Marv and Hendo and maybe pick up some scraps. We would be looking something like this:

Kemba/Calderon/Roberts
Lamb/Hairston/Daniels
MKG/Lance/Hairston
Zeller/Kaminsky/Vonleh
Al/Biz

we really limited our teams upside with that trade. if Batum can average 15/5/5 and resigns it wont be that bad, if he walks and Vonleh turns out to be good it would be the worst (and last) trade Cho ever makes.

Lance for Hawes isn't too bad on the surface, considering the circumstances, but its just another thing that makes the Frank pick look that much worse. Lance actually could have been useful on the second unit as a playmaker/defender. Him and Kaminsky in the pick and roll/pop could have been a good look for us. Adding a catch and shoot PG and leaving Biz to protect the rim would have rounded out a potentially sweet bench unit.

[Diop]

what I don't like about the Hawes trade is that its left Biz as the odd man out and he is our best rim protector.

[floppymoose]

Mullens is one of the dumbest players I've ever watched.

Mullens even made me angry and I'm just a Hornets sympathizer.

[MPM]

If Tank pulls this out after every made 3, I will be a lifetime fan.

Spoiler:

[JDR720]

Cliff press conference.....not sure if already posted

http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2015/06/26/150626Coachmov-3630809

Crazy Conspiracy: He mentions Al by name near the end of the video said leading up to that "And to me, we then have to get a line of communication where he and i and the staff all agree on what things he has to concentrate on the most to give him his best chance to play. Thats what you should do thats what every player should do thats what Al Jefferson needs to do" he kept going but the video stopped there

[MPM]

Cliff press conference.....not sure if already posted

http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2015/06/26/150626Coachmov-3630809

Crazy Conspiracy: He mentions Al by name near the end of the video said leading up to that "And to me, we then have to get a line of communication where he and i and the staff all agree on what things he has to concentrate on the most to give him his best chance to play. Thats what you should do thats what every player should do thats what Al Jefferson needs to do" he kept going but the video stopped there

Crazy but promising!

[UNCNYC]

and we werew stupid to turn down that trade because this draft went exactly 16 deep with talent. Maybe 20 at best but 16 with GRANT being number 16. We were guaranteed to get Grant at minimum. Oubre was 15.

So very true....draft Grant at 16 and Hunter at 28, and still have what could turn out to be a very high Nets pick. Grant and Hunter already would be better than Frank, heck just Grant will be better in my opinion

You guys all know we would have probably taken Dekker at 16 or Hunter at 16 (not 28). Then we would have traded 28 for a future 1st in 2018 or a handful of 2nds, or stashed a Euro. They didn't want to bring in two guys in 1st round deals when we already have 12 under contract + Biz and Mo as free agents.

I actually like kaminsky and I think he will make us somewhat happy during the season. I just think we should have went with the trade. My dream trade woulda been, us with the celtics, then draft grant, cedi, and wood or white with the second round pick. We also coulda had a chance at hardaway and two second rounders.

[EwingSweatsALot]

what I don't like about the Hawes trade is that its left Biz as the odd man out and he is our best rim protector.

Now that we have Frank, I would love to try to move Hawes and sign Biz.

[Winglish]

Your announcers and play-by-play guys have a gold mine here:

"Six Picks for two. That's a good move!"

"Six Picks for three!"

Frank the Tank just became Six Picks Kaminsky. Somebody start making the t-shirts.

You're welcome.

[ball teacher]

We need Cody, he is a good player for us, he gives us rebounding especially on the offensive end, he was the one player who could match. MKGs intensity and hustle, they played very well together and made our team better. Also Cody was one ofour better rim defenders. He should've never been forced to be a stretch four cause that clearly isnt his game.

I think we should start Cody, and when Fra k comes in move Cody to center and let Al get rest, then let Hawes or Biz sub Cody out. Frank and Hawes together leaves little rim protection and strong rebounding presence I'd imagine.

[KembaWalker]

Cracks me up how last summer everyone had a breakdown because we lost Hayward.
But if this team had drafted Hayward there would be rioting at TWC.

I'm ready to give the kid a chance. I mean jeez, everyone LOVES Nikola Mirotic and his potential and he's 24 years old

[Braggins]

We need Cody, he is a good player for us, he gives us rebounding especially on the offensive end, he was the one player who could match. MKGs intensity and hustle, they played very well together and made our team better. Also Cody was one ofour better rim defenders. He should've never been forced to be a stretch four cause that clearly isnt his game.

I think we should start Cody, and when Fra k comes in move Cody to center and let Al get rest, then let Hawes or Biz sub Cody out. Frank and Hawes together leaves little rim protection and strong rebounding presence I'd imagine.

I'd hope that we can either move Al or Hawes and Marvin. Hopefully we can use the extra 2nd round picks we got in the draft to move Hawes/Marvin for a backup PG and SF to balance out our rotation. I'm guessing Al is here to stay so I am with you on the thinking that we need to start Cody next to Al and then have Frank/Biz be the backup duo. I like Frank next to Biz on the second unit. Once Al is gone Frank can start next to Cody or Biz. We HAVE to retain Biz though, or this front office is clearly smoking the crack rock lol.

[fatlever]

Moving Hawes and re-signing Biz makes the most sense for this current roster, but I gave up roster logic a long time ago.

[Braggins]

Cliff press conference.....not sure if already posted

http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2015/06/26/150626Coachmov-3630809

Crazy Conspiracy: He mentions Al by name near the end of the video said leading up to that "And to me, we then have to get a line of communication where he and i and the staff all agree on what things he has to concentrate on the most to give him his best chance to play. Thats what you should do thats what every player should do thats what Al Jefferson needs to do" he kept going but the video stopped there

That is such amazing news. I hope he is for real when he says that. If Al keeps being Al then hopefully they see the writing on the wall before the season and ship him out before training camp. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out if he has actually done anything to get back into shape this summer. I'm guessing he hasn't based on his past and the Cho comment about him being around to work out "here and there".

[Braggins]

Moving Hawes and re-signing Biz makes the most sense for this current roster, but I gave up roster logic a long time ago.

I'm starting to recover a bit from the shock of the draft and the trades we made. I'm going to try to stay optimistic while waiting for more moves to be made, but I'm not holding my breath.

[yosemiteben]

I highly doubt we are going to flip Hawes. We specifically want more shooters, and especially bigs that can stretch the floor consistently. We have two of them on our roster, and one is a rookie.

I still can't believe we're worried about our defense at the expense of our offense. IDGAF about our defense at this point, we aren't going to be league worst like we were on offense. Let's try to fix our glaring weaknesses before we complain about roster redundancies.

[Braggins]

I highly doubt we are going to flip Hawes. We specifically want more shooters, and especially bigs that can stretch the floor consistently. We have two of them on our roster, and one is a rookie.

I still can't believe we're worried about our defense at the expense of our offense. IDGAF about our defense at this point, we aren't going to be league worst like we were on offense. Let's try to fix our glaring weaknesses before we complain about roster redundancies.

You have to acknowledge that we have to have a balance and can't just roll with a frontcourt with no rim protection or interior defense and all floor spacers. We have 3 dedicated stretch bigs and Cody is kind of a hybrid athlete/stretch PF. We can certainly afford to get rid of Hawes and have no effect on our spacing. I don't think Kaminsky being a rookie is relevant. He was a 4 year college guy. If he isn't even ready to contribute yet then we ****ed up so bad with that pick.

You can't just assume that since we had a good defense before that we can just throw as many bad defenders in our rotation as we want and still get away with it. Cody and Frank can both see minutes at center and we have plenty of shooting now, more than we need honestly. Hawes is completely expendable.

[yosemiteben]

Biz played like 10 MPG and MKG only played like 24 mpg in 2013-14 when we had our best defense ever. I'm not worried about our defense.

We were pretty much the worst in the league offensively last year. And the year before. And the year before.

[Braggins]

Are you really implying that it doesn't matter who is on our roster, we will have a great defense regardless? Our defense was terrible last season when we tried to get away with starting Marv/Al. We have to keep some defense in our rotation or our defense will suffer. It is silly to think otherwise.

[yosemiteben]

Are you really implying that it doesn't matter who is on our roster, we will have a great defense regardless? Our defense was terrible last season when we tried to get away with starting Marv/Al. We have to keep some defense in our rotation or our defense will suffer. It is silly to think otherwise.

I'm pointing out that our defense didn't suffer when Biz barely played in 2013-14, so it's not like he is a lynchpin for our defense. Even assuming our defense will slip, I don't mind our defense suffering some if we can stop having league worst offense every year.