Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion

[bwgood77]

Best news would be Marcus goes to prison. Void his contract. Keep Kieff and see if it helps him, otherwise deal him.

I was just thinking this (the first part earlier when reading the thread. I don't know why so many have a problem with Kieff though. He is a really solid, valuable PF on a cheap contract. I don't know how many PFs at his age or younger out there are better. Certainly not many. It would be nice if he keeps working on his three, but the guy is solid, is clutch at the end of games...I mean, I love Millsap and would LOVE to see Kieff coming off the bench because we got someone clearly better than him, but I don't understand why so many want to get rid of him so bad. I've been really happy with the way he's progressed on the court...and whenever I see his tweets or responses to questions, he usually seems much more mature than his brother...sure he once complained about fans, but I can also understand how that could be frustrating. It's weird...the minute a player complains about anything, half the fans turn on them big time....Dragic, the twins..

[JMac1]

Gallo is a 11 million expiring next year. Shouldn't cost more than the Lakers pick to get him...oops! Lol! He could be had for cheap though. I say go get him and let him play the four. Granger is done!!

[JMac1]

I don't know why so many have a problem with Kieff though. He is a really solid, valuable PF on a cheap contract.

He is inconsistent and he cannot stretch the floor enough. But he is okay.

[bwgood77]

So guys I just realized...
The Blazers are pretty much done this season. They got Lillard and Vonleh to look forward to. No decent rookies. I was thinking, damn that sucks for them. But then thought, well at least they will probably get a top 5 pick next year. And while they slowly rebuild from the ground up, we'll continue an even slower progression and draft at 12-14 for a while.
Can we just keep Len/Warren/Booker and trade the rest already? Throw Bledsoe and MoBros to the Kings for Willey Cauley-Stein and Ben McLemore. Bledsoe + MoBros for Porzingis/Calderon's contract once the Knicks sign their top free agent. Can our assets even fetch that? Let's embrace the suck for once and have Len/Warren/Booker develop fully and not develop to only be role players.

Sac wouldn't do the deal and neither would we...WCS is important to them because they need a defensive big next to Cousins. They also have like 3-4 PFs already.

Now that Knicks deal I would think about and I'd be surprised if they didn't do it. I don't think McD would do it, but I'd love it if he had the balls to. Of course Porzingis could end up a bust and then it would have been a bad deal, but perhaps we'd also net Ben Simmons out of it in the long run.

Knight/Calderon
Booker/Calderon
Warren/Tucker
Porzingis/Leuer
Len/Wright

And maybe Ben Simmons? OK, I'm not usually that rosy about getting a future #1 pick, but I'll do it here, because that team would be bad for at least a year, but the future would/could be very bright. Calderon would be a good vet to have too.

[letsgosuns]

Need a player who can guard players like Melo, Lebron, Durant though... Iguadala level defender... Tucker ain't it.

The biggest thing about Tucker guarding those guys is not the fact that he cannot guard them, but the fact that he provides nothing on offense so they do not have to guard him. They expend no energy on defense because Tucker has no offensive game. Honestly no one in the league really can keep up with those three guys, including Iguodala. Lebron had some of the best statistical games of all time against the Warriors. The difference was that Iguodala played a really awesome offensive series for a guy that is mostly on the team for defensive purposes. He won finals mvp and averaged 16 points, 6 rebounds, and 4 assists on 52% fg and 40% 3 pts. And his athleticism on the fast break has always been dominant. So Lebron had to work on defense. I remember seeing plays where Iguodala drove to the lane and Lebron just gave up and looked shocked that Iguodala was having an offensive impact. It is so difficult for a player to play as hard as Lebron on offense and also play defense too. If Lebron is guarding Tucker, he can lay off of him and save all his energy for his own offense.

[bwgood77]

I'm going to be a broken record this season and just talk about how badly we are utilizing Wright. Be prepared.

Well at least your avatar fits that. I personally liked your Suns helmet much more.

[JTrain]

I'm going to be a broken record this season and just talk about how badly we are utilizing Wright. Be prepared.

Well at least your avatar fits that. I personally liked your Suns helmet much more.

[JTrain]

[bwgood77]

I'm going to be a broken record this season and just talk about how badly we are utilizing Wright. Be prepared.

Sad thing is he should be one of the easiest guys to utilize. PnR, PnR, PnR.

Wish we had a true point guard on this team.

Patience. Lets look at a comparison between Knight and Nash at age 23...http://bkref.com/tiny/14Sy8

Knight with the higher assist rate, better PER...not quite the shooter...but still better at almost everything else at the same age....and this guy is smart...he could have gone to Yale...he is the type of guy that will improve his game every year until he is like 35, just like Nash.

I really believe that. I'm not a HUGE fan of his game right now...Bledsoe is more flashy and explosive, but Knight will be the guy that evolves, grows, and keeps getting better.

[bwgood77]

If we get Rondo I might stop supporting the Suns.

People think the Morri are immature and have a bad attitude, Rondo's a champion PG and he's busy planning a connect 4 move rather than practicing free throws...

Yeah, I think I'd rather have a master chess player than a master Connect Four player.

[bwgood77]

So an obvious need is three point shooters. The NBA has changed and excellent three point shooting is a requirement to make the playoffs. The top ten 3 point shooting teams made the playoffs. Here's the current career numbers for our team

Granger .380
Leuer .367
Knight .365
Marcus .363
Tucker .357
Len .333
Kief .328
Bledsoe .325
Bullock .311
Warren .238
Goodwin .221
Wright .000

Bledsoe really needs to improve his shooting or needs to be traded. There were 33 point guards in the league who shot better than him last year.

Preferably you want to have anyone shooting 3s hit at least 37%....that is about a true shooting % of 55%. (I always base it on 100 shots...you shoot 100 shots from 3....you hit 37 of them...that's 111 points.....you shoot 100 shots from 2, you hit 55 of them, that's 110 points)....so that's why when people hit 40% or above, it's HUGE...because that equates to 60% true shooting % (or maybe it's eFG)...and when Kyle Korver was so hot hitting over 50%...that is 75% true shooting %.

33.3% is ok...because that gets you to 100 (based on 100 shots) and so it's like shooting 50% from 2....which is pretty good for a guard.....but when you really start thinking about all this you realize how horrible it is in these days for a Kobe type guy to take 37 shots and hit 40% of them...all from 2.....that's like shooting 27% from 3 taking a ton of shots.

GS has a ton of guys over like 37% from 3...and a couple well into the 40s....we NEED that.

[bwgood77]

I don't think Milsap would leave a winning situation in Atlanta for us.

$$$$, bruh. If we can't even ply a FA like Millsap then we're in deep dog doodoo.

But then that raises another problem...to get Milsap to come here, we have to overpay him. Are we really at the point where we can overpay a Tier 2 guy like Paul Milsap? Don't you run the risk of tying up too much money in a team that's good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to get past the first round?

How quickly would you expect this team to get to the 2nd round and how long would you expect Millsap to be signed? I doubt we would win a championship while he is here, but to get playoff experience for our youth it would be good. Now if you think we need to stay bad to have a chance at Ben Simmons or whatever, I understand, but I don't expect to see this team get to the 2nd round in the next four years. The west is deeper than it has ever been, and most of the best teams are super young.

[bwgood77]

It really does make sense to move Bledsoe unless he has been working on his three point shooting this summer. Otherwise we really need to move him for a good PF.

If we don't move Bledsoe to the Knicks this summer, we are likely stuck with him (not that it is a terrible thing imo....I am not nearly as down on him as most....he is still young and has some serious talent...he needs to improve his decision making and shooting but I will give him a chance to do that).

But almost every team has a good pg. The Lakers just got Russell, and Denver just got Mudiay which means Lawson is likely eventually going elsewhere..I think only NY and Sac might really need someone...and Rondo will end up somewhere. If Bledsoe is ever going to be traded it would need to be now, or his trade value would be gone...not because of him but because of the pg market.

[bwgood77]

I'm going to be a broken record this season and just talk about how badly we are utilizing Wright. Be prepared.

Well at least your avatar fits that. I personally liked your Suns helmet much more.

Well I never noticed the real eyes or the head coming out of the mouth on the small photo. Much better in the large picture...if you think people are seeing all that, they are not.

[TeamTragic]

Same feeling here.

God I miss the days when phoenix was the destination of choice. I didn't realize how good we had it in the 90s.

If we can build a winner, players will want to come. Really it's that simple.

Look at the cardinals, have been known as the armpit of the NFL forever and no player wanted to come to az. Now, total different story. Players (like Adrian Peterson) have them tops on their list.

[carey]

Need a player who can guard players like Melo, Lebron, Durant though... Iguadala level defender... Tucker ain't it.

Don't tell Durant that.

Also, Gallo would OWN Scottsdale. It would almost be too hilarious for it not to happen. It would be Diaw X 10 because he's not a tubby french guy he's a tall Italian guy.

[BobbieL]

I don't know why so many have a problem with Kieff though. He is a really solid, valuable PF on a cheap contract.

He is inconsistent and he cannot stretch the floor enough. But he is okay.

Inconsistent
can't stretch the floor
not the best defender or rebounder
good spot up shooter
good contract
but the biggest negative is that he and his brother seem bad for the locker room

To me, they have to go. Tucker too

I like the Patric Young idea. I don't know much about him but hope he is a banger at the 4, defender, goes to the glass, fouls a lohough

I don't see trading theMorri as being that big of a loss just because they are on good conracts. This is about winning and guys "being over themselves." The Morri are all about themselves.

Gambo mentioned Danny Green and Kosta Koufos yesterday
I think Green is a product of the sysem
Koufos would be okay as probably half the cost of Brandon Wright for similar production.

The Suns are going to have to over pay for a guy and they are going to have to take a B-/C+ trade for the Morris twins. But its not my money, I do it. Tucker should be easy to move.

[carey]

Patience. Lets look at a comparison between Knight and Nash at age 23...http://bkref.com/tiny/14Sy8

Knight with the higher assist rate, better PER...not quite the shooter...but still better at almost everything else at the same age....and this guy is smart...he could have gone to Yale...he is the type of guy that will improve his game every year until he is like 35, just like Nash.

I really believe that. I'm not a HUGE fan of his game right now...Bledsoe is more flashy and explosive, but Knight will be the guy that evolves, grows, and keeps getting better.

I generally enjoy all your posts, BWG. However, you and everyone else on the internet need to consider stopping the player comparisons to Nash. Especially pre-30-years-old Nash. He is a complete anomaly as a player. Someone who studied the game and worked hard every year until the day he retired. Someone who improved post-30. We signed him in his 9th season and he took it to another level. Most guys in the league don't even get to play 9 seasons. My point is, you can't expect any player to ever duplicate Nash's career arc. It's impossible. So comparing young Knight or young Eric or young whoever to young Nash is essentially pointless.

[JMac1]

So guys I just realized...
The Blazers are pretty much done this season. They got Lillard and Vonleh to look forward to. No decent rookies. I was thinking, damn that sucks for them. But then thought, well at least they will probably get a top 5 pick next year. And while they slowly rebuild from the ground up, we'll continue an even slower progression and draft at 12-14 for a while.
Can we just keep Len/Warren/Booker and trade the rest already? Throw Bledsoe and MoBros to the Kings for Willey Cauley-Stein and Ben McLemore. Bledsoe + MoBros for Porzingis/Calderon's contract once the Knicks sign their top free agent. Can our assets even fetch that? Let's embrace the suck for once and have Len/Warren/Booker develop fully and not develop to only be role players.

I just think that is too much of a reverse move. We really have a pretty good roster if we only had a Lamarcus or Love to go with it. I doubt if those NBA guys can see it that way, most are pussies and afraid to make it work, preferring to go somewhere were it is already working. But whatever

Love would be sooo perfect here!!

Bledsoe
Knight/Booker
Warren
Love
Len

lower seed in 16, with growth of everyone, 2017 could be competitive. But I'd throw Gallo in place of Love, because that's realistic.

Offensively we'd be crazy....and offense wins championships

[GetYourPHX]

Guys...

Please...

No one is trading for the Brothers Mo while they have a case hanging over their heads. Pre-trial conference is set for the 30th. Just going to have to wait and see on this one.