Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm not in favor of paying Danny green 10 mil a year so that Archie and booker are buried on the bench

[bwgood77]

Patience. Lets look at a comparison between Knight and Nash at age 23...http://bkref.com/tiny/14Sy8

Knight with the higher assist rate, better PER...not quite the shooter...but still better at almost everything else at the same age....and this guy is smart...he could have gone to Yale...he is the type of guy that will improve his game every year until he is like 35, just like Nash.

I really believe that. I'm not a HUGE fan of his game right now...Bledsoe is more flashy and explosive, but Knight will be the guy that evolves, grows, and keeps getting better.

I generally enjoy all your posts, BWG. However, you and everyone else on the internet need to consider stopping the player comparisons to Nash. Especially pre-30-years-old Nash. He is a complete anomaly as a player. Someone who studied the game and worked hard every year until the day he retired. Someone who improved post-30. We signed him in his 9th season and he took it to another level. Most guys in the league don't even get to play 9 seasons. My point is, you can't expect any player to ever duplicate Nash's career arc. It's impossible. So comparing young Knight or young Eric or young whoever to young Nash is essentially pointless.

My point isn't that he will have a game like Nash's, but more that he is far from close to a finished product and is a hard worker with a good head on his shoulders and that is a huge plus. The more guys we have that are hard workers AND have a good head on their shoulders, the better.

[rsavaj]

Galinari can play the 3 and 4, and he's actually quite a good fit here. I've advocated for him going back to last season. Also young enough to grow with our core. As a guy being sold by his team, we may be able to get him at a good price.

Hmm... Watching his 47 pt game vs Dallas, it appears he is playing the 4


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAqhXv955cI[/youtube]

I'm all board the Gallo hype train

[rsavaj]

So an obvious need is three point shooters. The NBA has changed and excellent three point shooting is a requirement to make the playoffs. The top ten 3 point shooting teams made the playoffs. Here's the current career numbers for our team

Granger .380
Leuer .367
Knight .365
Marcus .363
Tucker .357
Len .333
Kief .328
Bledsoe .325
Bullock .311
Warren .238
Goodwin .221
Wright .000

Bledsoe really needs to improve his shooting or needs to be traded. There were 33 point guards in the league who shot better than him last year.

Preferably you want to have anyone shooting 3s hit at least 37%....that is about a true shooting % of 55%. (I always base it on 100 shots...you shoot 100 shots from 3....you hit 37 of them...that's 111 points.....you shoot 100 shots from 2, you hit 55 of them, that's 110 points)....so that's why when people hit 40% or above, it's HUGE...because that equates to 60% true shooting % (or maybe it's eFG)...and when Kyle Korver was so hot hitting over 50%...that is 75% true shooting %.

33.3% is ok...because that gets you to 100 (based on 100 shots) and so it's like shooting 50% from 2....which is pretty good for a guard.....but when you really start thinking about all this you realize how horrible it is in these days for a Kobe type guy to take 37 shots and hit 40% of them...all from 2.....that's like shooting 27% from 3 taking a ton of shots.

GS has a ton of guys over like 37% from 3...and a couple well into the 40s....we NEED that.

Makes me miss our 09/10 squad, which shot 40% from deep as a TEAM.

[jredsaz]

Guys...

Please...

No one is trading for the Brothers Mo while they have a case hanging over their heads. Pre-trial conference is set for the 30th. Just going to have to wait and see on this one.

The pre-trial conference should provide them with the opportunity to submit a plea bargain and put this thing behind them. Guessing unsupervised probation, a fine, and due to their celebrity status, some community service.

However, there may be an opportunity for their lawyer to kick the can down the road a couple of months. The twins aren't stupid. They understand that if this thing is solved prior to free agency the likelihood that one or both of them is traded this summer increases dramatically.

I would not be surprised if we see this fiasco drawn out into the start of next season.

[rsavaj]

We've heard Gallo, Danny Green, and Dudley thrown out there. Anybody else have any ideas how to get more shooting on this roster?

[SideSwipe]

I might try to get Bjelica from Minny. He looks like a good baller. Played with Bogdanovich on Ulker, if I'm not mistaken. Would make for an interesting reunion in PHX. He's 6'10" with decent handles and foot speed, and a nice shot. MVP of Euroleague. Looks to have some leadership qualities.

Edit: Also on the Serbian national team with Bogdanovic.

https://youtu.be/PxOKAMy8rDM

[jcsunsfan]

I do not want "lesser" free agents. Go for the stars or develop our young guys. Signing mid-level free agents is detrimental to the long term growth of the team.

[rsavaj]

I do not want "lesser" free agents. Go for the stars or develop our young guys. Signing mid-level free agents is detrimental to the long term growth of the team.

I totally get you, but I don't think we're going to get a star FA, and it does not appear as though the FO is gonna blow it up, so I'm just going for the most likely route that McD will take, which is a playoff push.

[GetYourPHX]

Guys...

Please...

No one is trading for the Brothers Mo while they have a case hanging over their heads. Pre-trial conference is set for the 30th. Just going to have to wait and see on this one.

The pre-trial conference should provide them with the opportunity to submit a plea bargain and put this thing behind them. Guessing unsupervised probation, a fine, and due to their celebrity status, some community service.

However, there may be an opportunity for their lawyer to kick the can down the road a couple of months. The twins aren't stupid. They understand that if this thing is solved prior to free agency the likelihood that one or both of them is traded this summer increases dramatically.

I would not be surprised if we see this fiasco drawn out into the start of next season.

Exactly. If they plea out, they're tradable. If they don't, there's a 99% chance they will be Phoenix Suns at the start of next year.

The trade scenarios involving them just aren't realistic at the moment.

[jcsunsfan]

Guys...

Please...

No one is trading for the Brothers Mo while they have a case hanging over their heads. Pre-trial conference is set for the 30th. Just going to have to wait and see on this one.

The pre-trial conference should provide them with the opportunity to submit a plea bargain and put this thing behind them. Guessing unsupervised probation, a fine, and due to their celebrity status, some community service.

However, there may be an opportunity for their lawyer to kick the can down the road a couple of months. The twins aren't stupid. They understand that if this thing is solved prior to free agency the likelihood that one or both of them is traded this summer increases dramatically.

I would not be surprised if we see this fiasco drawn out into the start of next season.

Exactly. If they plea out, they're tradable. If they don't, there's a 99% chance they will be Phoenix Suns at the start of next year.

The trade scenarios involving them just aren't realistic at the moment.

OK. But why would they be so much opposed to being traded? They have to be crazy to delay getting this thing put to bed just to avoid getting traded. If they can get it settled for unsupervised community service--stuff they do as pro players anyway--they jump at it and have it done. If they think they can get it all thrown out because they are totally innocent is another matter. That could save them big bucks in civil court.

They are going to lose millions on this. Serves them right. They will have to pay alot of money. It will sting. And the victim will get significant compensation. And the tax payers will not have to pay to incarcerate them. Sometimes justice is better served in civil court than criminal court.

[GetYourPHX]

We've heard Gallo, Danny Green, and Dudley thrown out there. Anybody else have any ideas how to get more shooting on this roster?

I would give Tucker, Goodwin, and Bullock to Chicago for Mirotic. Heck, I might even throw in the Cleveland pick.

He's the truth and would be a great fit on this team.

I'd give Tucker and Bullock for Gibson as well, although it doesn't help the shooting problem.

Chicago needs to get rid of a PF. We need a PF. I think they're a great trading partner.

[GetYourPHX]

The pre-trial conference should provide them with the opportunity to submit a plea bargain and put this thing behind them. Guessing unsupervised probation, a fine, and due to their celebrity status, some community service.

However, there may be an opportunity for their lawyer to kick the can down the road a couple of months. The twins aren't stupid. They understand that if this thing is solved prior to free agency the likelihood that one or both of them is traded this summer increases dramatically.

I would not be surprised if we see this fiasco drawn out into the start of next season.

Exactly. If they plea out, they're tradable. If they don't, there's a 99% chance they will be Phoenix Suns at the start of next year.

The trade scenarios involving them just aren't realistic at the moment.

OK. But why would they be so much opposed to being traded? They have to be crazy to delay getting this thing put to bed just to avoid getting traded. If they can get it settled for unsupervised community service--stuff they do as pro players anyway--they jump at it and have it done. If they think they can get it all thrown out because they are totally innocent is another matter. That could save them big bucks in civil court.

They are going to lose millions on this. Serves them right. They will have to pay alot of money. It will sting. And the victim will get significant compensation. And the tax payers will not have to pay to incarcerate them. Sometimes justice is better served in civil court than criminal court.

I see what you're saying, but this is all rampant speculation. None of us on this board know what's going on with the case.

But there's one thing that is 100%, no team is trading for two twins who are facing felony assault charges. That would be a really, really dumb move.

[Flying Colors]

We've heard Gallo, Danny Green, and Dudley thrown out there. Anybody else have any ideas how to get more shooting on this roster?

I would give Tucker, Goodwin, and Bullock to Chicago for Mirotic. Heck, I might even throw in the Cleveland pick.

He's the truth and would be a great fit on this team.

I'd give Tucker and Bullock for Gibson as well, although it doesn't help the shooting problem.

Bulls are pretty high on Mirotic, i don't think that deal would satisfy them

[carey]

I do not want "lesser" free agents. Go for the stars or develop our young guys. Signing mid-level free agents is detrimental to the long term growth of the team.

I totally get you, but I don't think we're going to get a star FA, and it does not appear as though the FO is gonna blow it up, so I'm just going for the most likely route that McD will take, which is a playoff push.

Right & if you believe Gambo has actual Suns sources then that is the current plan. 1 $10 Million Free Agent & 1 $5 Million Free Agent. Not what we need at all and those guys will bury our own young guys on the depth chart.

[GetYourPHX]

I do not want "lesser" free agents. Go for the stars or develop our young guys. Signing mid-level free agents is detrimental to the long term growth of the team.

I totally get you, but I don't think we're going to get a star FA, and it does not appear as though the FO is gonna blow it up, so I'm just going for the most likely route that McD will take, which is a playoff push.

Right & if you believe Gambo has actual Suns sources then that is the current plan. 1 $10 Million Free Agent & 1 $5 Million Free Agent. Not what we need at all and those guys will bury our own young guys on the depth chart.

Pretty sure the $5 million dollar FA is Brandon Wright. I actually wouldn't be surprised if he got more than that. I would love him back on the team as a backup big. Plays hard, protects the rim, and scores with efficiency.

[BobbieL]

Guys...

Please...

No one is trading for the Brothers Mo while they have a case hanging over their heads. Pre-trial conference is set for the 30th. Just going to have to wait and see on this one.

The pre-trial conference should provide them with the opportunity to submit a plea bargain and put this thing behind them. Guessing unsupervised probation, a fine, and due to their celebrity status, some community service.

However, there may be an opportunity for their lawyer to kick the can down the road a couple of months. The twins aren't stupid. They understand that if this thing is solved prior to free agency the likelihood that one or both of them is traded this summer increases dramatically.

I would not be surprised if we see this fiasco drawn out into the start of next season.

But maybe they take a plea deal to get it over and done with and know the story

I think with the deal on the 30th - it will be over and done with

They will be traded . At worse, I think the Brendon Hayward deal makes sense for the Cavs - they don't care about the cap -and they have to know they need a real bench for the team and not OLD Friends of LeBron. It actually makes more sense to have a bench with the Morris twins. Than having both Thompson and Love.

It doesn't seem like much but cap space is huge. And granted, you only do this deal if you are getting a superstar. And who knows, if its Love (please) - maybe the Cavs do a S and T for the Morri

[NavLDO]

So, my 'disclaimer' is that I'll likely change my mind every other day as to what I'd like to see the Suns do in FA, but looking at the list of FA Bigs that Kerrsed posted in the Draft thread, it appears to be quite an extensive list of possibilities for us. But now that we've got a rotation Big in Leuer, I'm of the mindset that we should go after one of two types of players--either an established 'star' PF, or an up-and-coming young guy that might 'explode' on the scene under the right system/tutelage, via either FA or trade, so for FA, the guys in 'green' I'd go after; the guys in 'red' I wouldn't as they won't likely have the type of impact we need:

RFAs
Derrick Williams--Why not? May still be young enough to break out.
TThompson--Showed flashes, but might have priced himself out of reach.
Kyle Singler--Potential as a smallish Stretch-4--Career 38ish% 3PT shooter
Henry Sims--High IQ, Great length, and let's face it, Philly has about 20 PF/Cs on their roster, so...
Kyle O'Quinn--Young, underutilized PF/C
Enes Kanter--OKC will probably match any reasonable offer
Robbie Hummel--Unknown, but worth a look at a Stretch-4
Tobias Harris--Would be an absolute coup
Luigi Datome--Largely unknown but shot 45% fro beyond the arc last season
Jae Crowder--Another young Big with potential
Quincy Acy--Smallish, but decent enough length

UFAs
Aldridge
Love
DeAndre Jordan
Roy Hibbert--for name recognition to bring in other talent
Thad Young--Still think he has untapped potential
Greg Smith -- young, cheap option as a F/C; 'diamond in the rough'-type
Kevin Seraphin--Underrated Big, and still only 25 YO
Thomas Robinson--Like Sims, on Philly with abundance of Bigs; unlike Sims, highly rated coming out and may just not have found the right system. Would need to get rid of the Morri though, I think, based on their history.
Greg Monroe--Still a chance he breaks out. Yes, I know, spacing issues, but if young talent is available, McD should at least consider.
Robin Lopez--Let's bring him back!!
Kosta Koufas--He wants to be a starter, so PHX may not be high on his list, but he'd be a decent rotation big, especially if we lose Wright.
Amir Johnson--Stretch-4 possibilities
Jordan Hill--Not completely sold, but if we could bring him in cheap, he's still young enough to develop, though
Ed Davis--Still young, so you never know-could develop
Demarre Carroll--Can he play the 4?
Aminu Al-Farouq--3, 4 Tweener?
Alexis Ajinca--Could be a very interesting addition--7'8" wingspan?!?!

Milsap
West
JSmooth
Stoudemire
Boozer
Bass

TRADE
Jared Sullinger--Yep, still high on this guy.
Kelly Olynyk--An either/or between him or Sully

Others ideas for trades, anyone??

[AtheJ415]

Patience. Lets look at a comparison between Knight and Nash at age 23...http://bkref.com/tiny/14Sy8

Knight with the higher assist rate, better PER...not quite the shooter...but still better at almost everything else at the same age....and this guy is smart...he could have gone to Yale...he is the type of guy that will improve his game every year until he is like 35, just like Nash.

I really believe that. I'm not a HUGE fan of his game right now...Bledsoe is more flashy and explosive, but Knight will be the guy that evolves, grows, and keeps getting better.

I generally enjoy all your posts, BWG. However, you and everyone else on the internet need to consider stopping the player comparisons to Nash. Especially pre-30-years-old Nash. He is a complete anomaly as a player. Someone who studied the game and worked hard every year until the day he retired. Someone who improved post-30. We signed him in his 9th season and he took it to another level. Most guys in the league don't even get to play 9 seasons. My point is, you can't expect any player to ever duplicate Nash's career arc. It's impossible. So comparing young Knight or young Eric or young whoever to young Nash is essentially pointless.

Understand what you're saying, but you could compare Knight to every point guard in this entire league at the age of 23 and he'd look damn good. Everyone is hellishly certain that none of our players can become stars when the current MVP was considered a borderline all-star until he turned 27. It's just ridiculous.

[Damkac]

I do not want "lesser" free agents. Go for the stars or develop our young guys. Signing mid-level free agents is detrimental to the long term growth of the team.

I totally get you, but I don't think we're going to get a star FA, and it does not appear as though the FO is gonna blow it up, so I'm just going for the most likely route that McD will take, which is a playoff push.

Right & if you believe Gambo has actual Suns sources then that is the current plan. 1 $10 Million Free Agent & 1 $5 Million Free Agent. Not what we need at all and those guys will bury our own young guys on the depth chart.

So do Suns want to go for Aldridge/Love or for role players? Anyway 1st option is unrealistic and 2nd has no sense.