Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion

[jcsunsfan]

RFAs
Derrick Williams--Why not? May still be young enough to break out.
TThompson--Showed flashes, but might have priced himself out of reach.
Kyle Singler--Potential as a smallish Stretch-4--Career 38ish% 3PT shooter
Henry Sims--High IQ, Great length, and let's face it, Philly has about 20 PF/Cs on their roster, so...
Kyle O'Quinn--Young, underutilized PF/C
Enes Kanter--OKC will probably match any reasonable offer
Robbie Hummel--Unknown, but worth a look at a Stretch-4
Tobias Harris--Would be an absolute coup
Luigi Datome--Largely unknown but shot 45% fro beyond the arc last season
Jae Crowder--Another young Big with potential
Quincy Acy--Smallish, but decent enough length

UFAs
Aldridge
Love
DeAndre Jordan
Roy Hibbert--for name recognition to bring in other talent
Thad Young--Still think he has untapped potential
Greg Smith -- young, cheap option as a F/C; 'diamond in the rough'-type
Kevin Seraphin--Underrated Big, and still only 25 YO
Thomas Robinson--Like Sims, on Philly with abundance of Bigs; unlike Sims, highly rated coming out and may just not have found the right system. Would need to get rid of the Morri though, I think, based on their history.
Greg Monroe--Still a chance he breaks out. Yes, I know, spacing issues, but if young talent is available, McD should at least consider.
Robin Lopez--Let's bring him back!!
Kosta Koufas--He wants to be a starter, so PHX may not be high on his list, but he'd be a decent rotation big, especially if we lose Wright.
Amir Johnson--Stretch-4 possibilities
Jordan Hill--Not completely sold, but if we could bring him in cheap, he's still young enough to develop, though
Ed Davis--Still young, so you never know-could develop
Demarre Carroll--Can he play the 4?
Aminu Al-Farouq--3, 4 Tweener?
Alexis Ajinca--Could be a very interesting addition--7'8" wingspan?!?!

Milsap
West
JSmooth
Stoudemire
Boozer
Bass

TRADE
Jared Sullinger--Yep, still high on this guy.
Kelly Olynyk--An either/or between him or Sully

Others ideas for trades, anyone??

Wow. That green is hard to read. Just some thoughts.

Hibbert opted in. He is not a FA. Now you might get a pick just to take on his salary.
Robin Lopez will be out of our range and he sees himself as a starter. Len?
Monroe has already broken out. We know what he is. He would be a fit a pf. I just don't know if we want better.
Not getting Sullinger or Olynyk.

We need a quality stretch 4, preferably a vet with leadership abilities. That is it. We could upgrade at other positions. But this FA list doesn't offer much in the way of upgrades.

[carey]

Right & if you believe Gambo has actual Suns sources then that is the current plan. 1 $10 Million Free Agent & 1 $5 Million Free Agent. Not what we need at all and those guys will bury our own young guys on the depth chart.

So do Suns want to go for Aldridge/Love or for role players? Anyway 1st option is unrealistic and 2nd has no sense.

Plan is to swing for the fence, then what I've said above.

[saintEscaton]

RFAs
Derrick Williams--Why not? May still be young enough to break out.
TThompson--Showed flashes, but might have priced himself out of reach.
Kyle Singler--Potential as a smallish Stretch-4--Career 38ish% 3PT shooter
Henry Sims--High IQ, Great length, and let's face it, Philly has about 20 PF/Cs on their roster, so...
Kyle O'Quinn--Young, underutilized PF/C
Enes Kanter--OKC will probably match any reasonable offer
Robbie Hummel--Unknown, but worth a look at a Stretch-4
Tobias Harris--Would be an absolute coup
Luigi Datome--Largely unknown but shot 45% fro beyond the arc last season
Jae Crowder--Another young Big with potential
Quincy Acy--Smallish, but decent enough length

UFAs
Aldridge
Love
DeAndre Jordan
Roy Hibbert--for name recognition to bring in other talent
Thad Young--Still think he has untapped potential
Greg Smith -- young, cheap option as a F/C; 'diamond in the rough'-type
Kevin Seraphin--Underrated Big, and still only 25 YO
Thomas Robinson--Like Sims, on Philly with abundance of Bigs; unlike Sims, highly rated coming out and may just not have found the right system. Would need to get rid of the Morri though, I think, based on their history.
Greg Monroe--Still a chance he breaks out. Yes, I know, spacing issues, but if young talent is available, McD should at least consider.
Robin Lopez--Let's bring him back!!
Kosta Koufas--He wants to be a starter, so PHX may not be high on his list, but he'd be a decent rotation big, especially if we lose Wright.
Amir Johnson--Stretch-4 possibilities
Jordan Hill--Not completely sold, but if we could bring him in cheap, he's still young enough to develop, though
Ed Davis--Still young, so you never know-could develop
Demarre Carroll--Can he play the 4?
Aminu Al-Farouq--3, 4 Tweener?
Alexis Ajinca--Could be a very interesting addition--7'8" wingspan?!?!

Milsap
West
JSmooth
Stoudemire
Boozer
Bass

TRADE
Jared Sullinger--Yep, still high on this guy.
Kelly Olynyk--An either/or between him or Sully

Others ideas for trades, anyone??

Wow. That green is hard to read. Just some thoughts.

Hibbert opted in. He is not a FA. Now you might get a pick just to take on his salary.
Robin Lopez will be out of our range and he sees himself as a starter. Len?
Monroe has already broken out. We know what he is. He would be a fit a pf. I just don't know if we want better.
Not getting Sullinger or Olynyk.

We need a quality stretch 4, preferably a vet with leadership abilities. That is it. We could upgrade at other positions. But this FA list doesn't offer much in the way of upgrades.

We do have a Stretch 4 who fits the bill. His name is Jon Leuer!!!

[Qwigglez]

I just think that is too much of a reverse move. We really have a pretty good roster if we only had a Lamarcus or Love to go with it. I doubt if those NBA guys can see it that way, most are pussies and afraid to make it work, preferring to go somewhere were it is already working. But whatever

Love would be sooo perfect here!!

Bledsoe
Knight/Booker
Warren
Love
Len

lower seed in 16, with growth of everyone, 2017 could be competitive. But I'd throw Gallo in place of Love, because that's realistic.

Offensively we'd be crazy....and offense wins championships

I think this team is built for Love. I just don't want to get my hopes up again. We'd have plenty of offensive weapons though and technically we still have a lot of room for internal growth so I'd imagine we should be high up on Love's list of potential suitors. But who knows what he's thinking.

[BobbieL]

I just think that is too much of a reverse move. We really have a pretty good roster if we only had a Lamarcus or Love to go with it. I doubt if those NBA guys can see it that way, most are pussies and afraid to make it work, preferring to go somewhere were it is already working. But whatever

Love would be sooo perfect here!!

Bledsoe
Knight/Booker
Warren
Love
Len

lower seed in 16, with growth of everyone, 2017 could be competitive. But I'd throw Gallo in place of Love, because that's realistic.

Offensively we'd be crazy....and offense wins championships

I think this team is built for Love. I just don't want to get my hopes up again. We'd have plenty of offensive weapons though and technically we still have a lot of room for internal growth so I'd imagine we should be high up on Love's list of potential suitors. But who knows what he's thinking.

Not to get my hopes up but the team is built for Kevin Love. I think he would balance out the roster. They could have the legit pieces in place to really move this team forward in a positive direction. In with Love, out with the Morri and Tucker, add a back up big like Koufos or bring back Wright, bring in a depth guy for PG. And the team is looking good.

The key thing with adding Love is you have your starting unit in place: Warren, Love, Len, Knight, Bledsoe

Your bench is very well defined - they have specific roles to maximize their abilities. Just have to see what the guy wants to do. Boston, Los Angeles, Cleveland may be on the list but quite frankly - I think if you add Love to the Suns, detract those three players - its the best choice for success unless he goes back to Cleveland. Maybe to Portland.

Also, the Celtics could give the Cavs look players like Sullinger but for the Cavs - Sullinger to me is redundant if you have Thompson - the Morris twins fill out there bench better. Tucker too. The Cavs bring back Thompson and if they can afford it, trade for Tucker, Morris, and Morris for Love - they are a better deeper team/ the Lakers have jack squat for a sign and trade. Unless Cleveland wants a high first round pick. But that doesn't help LBJ in the playoffs.

If Love leaves and its an S&T - Suns might have a chance

[BobbieL]

RFAs
Derrick Williams--Why not? May still be young enough to break out.
TThompson--Showed flashes, but might have priced himself out of reach.
Kyle Singler--Potential as a smallish Stretch-4--Career 38ish% 3PT shooter
Henry Sims--High IQ, Great length, and let's face it, Philly has about 20 PF/Cs on their roster, so...
Kyle O'Quinn--Young, underutilized PF/C
Enes Kanter--OKC will probably match any reasonable offer
Robbie Hummel--Unknown, but worth a look at a Stretch-4
Tobias Harris--Would be an absolute coup
Luigi Datome--Largely unknown but shot 45% fro beyond the arc last season
Jae Crowder--Another young Big with potential
Quincy Acy--Smallish, but decent enough length

UFAs
Aldridge
Love
DeAndre Jordan
Roy Hibbert--for name recognition to bring in other talent
Thad Young--Still think he has untapped potential
Greg Smith -- young, cheap option as a F/C; 'diamond in the rough'-type
Kevin Seraphin--Underrated Big, and still only 25 YO
Thomas Robinson--Like Sims, on Philly with abundance of Bigs; unlike Sims, highly rated coming out and may just not have found the right system. Would need to get rid of the Morri though, I think, based on their history.
Greg Monroe--Still a chance he breaks out. Yes, I know, spacing issues, but if young talent is available, McD should at least consider.
Robin Lopez--Let's bring him back!!
Kosta Koufas--He wants to be a starter, so PHX may not be high on his list, but he'd be a decent rotation big, especially if we lose Wright.
Amir Johnson--Stretch-4 possibilities
Jordan Hill--Not completely sold, but if we could bring him in cheap, he's still young enough to develop, though
Ed Davis--Still young, so you never know-could develop
Demarre Carroll--Can he play the 4?
Aminu Al-Farouq--3, 4 Tweener?
Alexis Ajinca--Could be a very interesting addition--7'8" wingspan?!?!

Milsap
West
JSmooth
Stoudemire
Boozer
Bass

TRADE
Jared Sullinger--Yep, still high on this guy.
Kelly Olynyk--An either/or between him or Sully

Others ideas for trades, anyone??

Wow. That green is hard to read. Just some thoughts.

Hibbert opted in. He is not a FA. Now you might get a pick just to take on his salary.
Robin Lopez will be out of our range and he sees himself as a starter. Len?
Monroe has already broken out. We know what he is. He would be a fit a pf. I just don't know if we want better.
Not getting Sullinger or Olynyk.

We need a quality stretch 4, preferably a vet with leadership abilities. That is it. We could upgrade at other positions. But this FA list doesn't offer much in the way of upgrades.

After Love and Aldridge

Stoudemire on a short term deal is on the only guy that I would want. Really.

Koufos to me counts as a back up C. I am talking about the 4 position

Keep Patric Young for sure. Sign Stoudemire to a two year deal keeping you cash options.

[GetYourPHX]

If KLove leaves Cleveland it will be to go back to his hometown Portland.

He's not coming here.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I like kyle OQuinn if they could land him for a reasonable price. He's the type of low cost decent upside kind of fa they should look at.

[jcsunsfan]

I just think that is too much of a reverse move. We really have a pretty good roster if we only had a Lamarcus or Love to go with it. I doubt if those NBA guys can see it that way, most are pussies and afraid to make it work, preferring to go somewhere were it is already working. But whatever

Love would be sooo perfect here!!

Bledsoe
Knight/Booker
Warren
Love
Len

lower seed in 16, with growth of everyone, 2017 could be competitive. But I'd throw Gallo in place of Love, because that's realistic.

Offensively we'd be crazy....and offense wins championships

I think this team is built for Love. I just don't want to get my hopes up again. We'd have plenty of offensive weapons though and technically we still have a lot of room for internal growth so I'd imagine we should be high up on Love's list of potential suitors. But who knows what he's thinking.

Not to get my hopes up but the team is built for Kevin Love. I think he would balance out the roster. They could have the legit pieces in place to really move this team forward in a positive direction. In with Love, out with the Morri and Tucker, add a back up big like Koufos or bring back Wright, bring in a depth guy for PG. And the team is looking good.

The key thing with adding Love is you have your starting unit in place: Warren, Love, Len, Knight, Bledsoe

Your bench is very well defined - they have specific roles to maximize their abilities. Just have to see what the guy wants to do. Boston, Los Angeles, Cleveland may be on the list but quite frankly - I think if you add Love to the Suns, detract those three players - its the best choice for success unless he goes back to Cleveland. Maybe to Portland.

Also, the Celtics could give the Cavs look players like Sullinger but for the Cavs - Sullinger to me is redundant if you have Thompson - the Morris twins fill out there bench better. Tucker too. The Cavs bring back Thompson and if they can afford it, trade for Tucker, Morris, and Morris for Love - they are a better deeper team/ the Lakers have jack squat for a sign and trade. Unless Cleveland wants a high first round pick. But that doesn't help LBJ in the playoffs.

If Love leaves and its an S&T - Suns might have a chance

Tucker is a better fit along side Love than Warren.

I love Patric Young, but man he is a wrecking ball. Think outside linebacker, defensive end. Whenever he is on the court he has the potential hurting someone, bad, teammate or opponent, doesn't matter. I would pay to watch him though. They call him 'King Kong" for a reason. This last year, he knocked a guy out cold grabbing a rebound. He did it with his forearm, the inside of his forearm.

[BobbieL]

I think this team is built for Love. I just don't want to get my hopes up again. We'd have plenty of offensive weapons though and technically we still have a lot of room for internal growth so I'd imagine we should be high up on Love's list of potential suitors. But who knows what he's thinking.

Not to get my hopes up but the team is built for Kevin Love. I think he would balance out the roster. They could have the legit pieces in place to really move this team forward in a positive direction. In with Love, out with the Morri and Tucker, add a back up big like Koufos or bring back Wright, bring in a depth guy for PG. And the team is looking good.

The key thing with adding Love is you have your starting unit in place: Warren, Love, Len, Knight, Bledsoe

Your bench is very well defined - they have specific roles to maximize their abilities. Just have to see what the guy wants to do. Boston, Los Angeles, Cleveland may be on the list but quite frankly - I think if you add Love to the Suns, detract those three players - its the best choice for success unless he goes back to Cleveland. Maybe to Portland.

Also, the Celtics could give the Cavs look players like Sullinger but for the Cavs - Sullinger to me is redundant if you have Thompson - the Morris twins fill out there bench better. Tucker too. The Cavs bring back Thompson and if they can afford it, trade for Tucker, Morris, and Morris for Love - they are a better deeper team/ the Lakers have jack squat for a sign and trade. Unless Cleveland wants a high first round pick. But that doesn't help LBJ in the playoffs.

If Love leaves and its an S&T - Suns might have a chance

Tucker is a better fit along side Love than Warren.

I love Patric Young, but man he is a wrecking ball. Think outside linebacker, defensive end. Whenever he is on the court he has the potential hurting someone, bad, teammate or opponent, doesn't matter. I would pay to watch him though. They call him 'King Kong" for a reason. This last year, he knocked a guy out cold grabbing a rebound. He did it with his forearm, the inside of his forearm.

I am not trading Warren but I get your point. Tucker would be a solid fit next to Love (yes, I know its not happening but I am dreaming and trying to talk myself into it) - but longer term, I like Warren and to make the dollars work for Love, needed to get to around $18m - so I added Tucker.

As for Patric Young - that is the kind of guy the Suns need. Guy brings the energy and the pain. Perfect bench role player. 6 fouls, hard fouls, rebounding defense. fine by me.

[rsavaj]

Stoudemire would be a cheap backup 4, and he'd add the nostalgia factor which is nice.

Corey Joseph would be a good look at backup PG.
Belinelli might be a shooter for cheap

[Jarlaxle0204]

I would welcome back Amare on the cheap but I think he wants to play for a competitor.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Sources say that the Celtics were discussing a package that included multiple picks and big man Jared Sullinger with New York and that Phoenix talked to members of the organization about a trade involving Eric Bledsoe in the hours leading up to the draft.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62410/sources-nyk-celts-talked-sullinger-deal

"It would take a whole lot for us to move Eric Bledsoe, and that's something we haven't even considered. It hasn't been discussed. It's just something we're not looking to do, frankly.

The frustration is, for me, as these rumors get out and if people come and ask me about them, I deny every single one, and if I don't deny one everybody assumes it's true, so that's the frustration; we just don't comment on it.

But we weren't close to trading Eric Bledsoe for anybody in this draft or any other player, we were not dangling him, and that's one of the frustrating parts of my job and our jobs and the media today, but it is what it is and we move on. We're very happy with Eric. We think he's a terrific player and has terrific potential"

http://arizonasports.com/41/1845511/Phoenix-Suns-GM-Were-not-looking-to-trade-Eric-Bledsoe

[AtheJ415]

Imo, what we should be doing this offseason is looking at Aldridge and Love, and get a quick answer from them. Probably will be a no but at least you tried. Then go after younger guys who can help us in 2-3 years when we are ready to contend, such as Harris or Butler or Green.

Even at the mini-max at least Harris and Butler are worth it imo.

[AtheJ415]

Middleton too.

[rsavaj]

Middleton would be great, but like all the other RFAs(Kawhi, Butler, Draymond) I expect him to be matched.

[AtheJ415]

True, but at that point we can always try to trade for a Galinari with our open cap space.

[jcsunsfan]

We ought to try to get an answer quick from free agents. I the answer is no, then we ought to pick up young players and picks from the teams that ARE trying to clear space to sign the free agents. Sometimes a team that is trying to get a Pau Gasol, trades away a Marc Gasol to do it.

[thamadkant]

McD is likely trying to trade for Gallinari using cap space and Cavs future pick.
But watch another team offer a better deal and get it.

McD need to offer MORE than just cap space for a player he knows is considered "good" by many teams.

Actually.... David Lee is still on the market.
Dont be surprise if Suns offer TPE for David Lee and Kevon Looney!.. that can be a McD move!

[thamadkant]

Clean trade(s)

With Knicks
- Bledsoe for Porzingis

With Nuggets
- Cavs 2016 pick + Suns 2016 top 10 protected pick for Gallinari

With Warriors
- TPE for David Lee + Kevon Looney

With Pacers
- Morris twins for Myles Turner

Suns lineup
C: Len / Turner / Lee
PF: Lee / Porzingis / Looney
SF: Gallinari / Warren / Granger
SG: Tucker / Goodwin / Booker
PG: Knight / Goodwin / McNeal

Lee, Gallinari, Granger are FAs in 2016.