The Tobias Harris Situation

[mojosodope]

My point is, it was KNOWN the cap was going to rise signifigantly

I know what your point is. Yet the reason every player didn't receive a max extension last summer is because of uncertainty surrounding cap smoothing and how the rest of the market would react. It's reasonable to hedge your bets with unknowns like this.

And I in no way am saying we should have given a max last summer. I'm saying we should have come up higher than 9, and even if it took 12, we should have locked him up for it

[Skin]

My point is, it was KNOWN the cap was going to rise signifigantly

I know what your point is. Yet the reason every player didn't receive a max extension last summer is because of uncertainty surrounding cap smoothing and how the rest of the market would react. It's reasonable to hedge your bets with unknowns like this.

And I in no way am saying we should have given a max last summer. I'm saying we should have come up higher than 9, and even if it took 12, we should have locked him up for it

What would be your best use of the savings of $3M? What is the opportunity loss?

[brackdan70]

So is the feeling the Magic will match a max offer?

[eyriq]

So is the feeling the Magic will match a max offer?

Pretty much. The narrative is that the Magic have told Harris to go find an offer sheet and they'll decide to match or not.

[brackdan70]

So is the feeling the Magic will match a max offer?

Pretty much. The narrative is that the Magic have told Harris to go find an offer sheet and they'll decide to match or not.

Thanks...you a fan of that kind of contract for him?

[eyriq]

So is the feeling the Magic will match a max offer?

Pretty much. The narrative is that the Magic have told Harris to go find an offer sheet and they'll decide to match or not.

Thanks...you a fan of that kind of contract for him?

Personally no. I see him as a complimentary piece, not as a developmental project. If the market is there for him though and we match him I'll understand and hope for the best.

[brackdan70]

Pretty much. The narrative is that the Magic have told Harris to go find an offer sheet and they'll decide to match or not.

Thanks...you a fan of that kind of contract for him?

Personally no. I see him as a complimentary piece, not as a developmental project. If the market is there for him though and we match him I'll understand and hope for the best.

Copy that. Rumors that the Cs are interested, but I personally am not sure they should make an offer that the Magic won't match.

will be an interesting summer.
cheers

[JF5]

So is the feeling the Magic will match a max offer?

Pretty much. The narrative is that the Magic have told Harris to go find an offer sheet and they'll decide to match or not.

I have a feeling if that Tobias does sign an offer sheet that it will be a sign and trade situation...

But I think that the Magic will look at Danilo Gallinari to replace Harris in a 3 way deal (IMO). Though he's injury prone, he's suited as a 6th man at this point of his career (Probably would accept that role). Plus, he's on a contract that ends after next season (Most likely be resigned to a lighter deal).

I wouldn't put it pass Henny if he considered doing that.

[KillMonger]

yeah we will match, if anything we'll just trade him later we have that option. I think we should have sewn him up earlier probably could've save a couple million but that's how it'll go down. Do i think he's worth that much? nope but he does deserves a good pay raise.

[brackdan70]

So is the feeling the Magic will match a max offer?

Pretty much. The narrative is that the Magic have told Harris to go find an offer sheet and they'll decide to match or not.

I have a feeling if that Tobias does sign an offer sheet that it will be a sign and trade situation...

But I think that the Magic will look at Danilo Gallinari to replace Harris in a 3 way deal (IMO). Though he's injury prone, he's suited as a 6th man at this point of his career (Probably would accept that role). Plus, he's on a contract that ends after next season (Most likely be resigned to a lighter deal).

I wouldn't put it pass Henny if he considered doing that.

a team with cap space likely would not sign and trade....maybe a minor asset to be nice.

[rcklsscognition]

I think we're thinking a little too oldschool on this Tobias contract. I don't think he's going to get a traditional offer. The CBA is gonna screw with this offseason.

[eyriq]

Pretty much. The narrative is that the Magic have told Harris to go find an offer sheet and they'll decide to match or not.

I have a feeling if that Tobias does sign an offer sheet that it will be a sign and trade situation...

But I think that the Magic will look at Danilo Gallinari to replace Harris in a 3 way deal (IMO). Though he's injury prone, he's suited as a 6th man at this point of his career (Probably would accept that role). Plus, he's on a contract that ends after next season (Most likely be resigned to a lighter deal).

I wouldn't put it pass Henny if he considered doing that.

a team with cap space likely would not sign and trade....maybe a minor asset to be nice.

It's only a 3 day tie up to take the risk but there are not many teams with that cap space readily available, so other teams that would like to make cap clearing moves to go after Tobias would want more assurance that they'd get their guy, which a SnT would provide. Teams like the Celtics, Lakers, and Knicks are going to run down the list of talents before arriving at Tobias, and if they've struck out to that point they may, just like the hypothetical cap clearing team, want some assurance that they get Harris and so they too go the SnT route. We'll see though.

[Driguez]

Tobias can not be signed and traded.

[rcklsscognition]

Tobias can not be signed and traded.

we couldn't sign and trade him before the draft, once free agency starts, we can.

[RYgoBOOM]

Tobias can not be signed and traded.

he has to approve it but someone posted that details that it could happen some backdoor way

On that note.......can he sign some insane 2 year 32 million $ offer sheet? Or can he only get a percentage of something?

[rcklsscognition]

Tobias can not be signed and traded.

he has to approve it but someone posted that details that it could happen some backdoor way

On that note.......can he sign some insane 2 year 32 million $ offer sheet? Or can he only get a percentage of something?

When a restricted free agent wants to sign with another team, the player and team sign an offer sheet, the principal terms of which the original team is given three days to match.4 The offer sheet must be for at least two seasons (not including option years). If the player's prior team also submitted a maximum qualifying offer, then the offer sheet must be for at least three seasons (not including option years). If the player's original team exercises its right of first refusal within three days, the player is then under contract to his original team, at the principal terms of the offer sheet (but not the non-principal terms). If the player's original team does not exercise its right of first refusal within three days (or provides written notice that it is declining its right of first refusal), the offer sheet becomes an official contract with the new team.

He could sign a 2 year max deal, sure.

[tiderulz]

Tobias can not be signed and traded.

he cant for the 5 yr deal, but he can be S&T. why do you think he cant?

cba allows it

[mojosodope]

He actually has more leverage than normal. He could request and sign a 2 year offer sheet with a player option for the max like someone said for 32m+. That would put us in a very odd situation where he would essentially be like us maxing a max qualifying offer and positioning himself to sign another contact under the new salary cap


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[407Junkie]

Why people keep saying if we sign and trade him we won't get back equal value like he's Lebron James? Plus you don't know what the hell we would get for him so why keep saying that misinformed comment?

[ezzzp]

He actually has more leverage than normal. He could request and sign a 2 year offer sheet with a player option for the max like someone said for 32m+. That would put us in a very odd situation where he would essentially be like us maxing a max qualifying offer and positioning himself to sign another contact under the new salary cap


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Two year offer sheets are not eligible for team or player options - only 3 and 4 year offer sheets can have options and never in the first two years. If he signs a two year offer sheet, he would not be able to re enter free agency until after the 2016 - 2017 season.

Offer sheets can include a trade kicker (up to 15% of total contract). Also, if the Magic match, they can not trade Harris (without his consent) for a year.

In my opinion, a two year offer sheet benefits the Magic as much as Harris. Those two years allow for a much better grasp of Harris and the rest of the core and who they want to keep moving forward.