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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread 

Post#4801 » by K_ick_God » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:55 am

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KnicksGod wrote:LMA in LA would make Randle a backup PF it would seem.

Maybe Dray Green has everybody drunk to go small but not sure LMA would want that.


Randle's being dangled as a trade chip for Boogie. Allegedly.


Isn't that DOA?
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Post#4802 » by DaKnicksAreBack » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:58 am

If were to get Monta and DJ somehow that would be sick

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Post#4803 » by Crunky » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:11 am

I wouldn't be surprised if we signed ajinca to be our center 7ft2 can shoot a little, underrated post game and can block shots won't break the bank. Then sign Danny green for 10mil or 12mil and demare Carroll for the same deal. Then if you can afford javale McGee to be a backup pick him up. We need to build a complete team I'm not completely sold on signing Monroe it will leave us with too many holes. Well have a balance team with 2 way players with size and length shot blockers. Melo will create match up problems for the league forcing them to matchup small.
Mix of playmakers and shooters and versatile defenders that can switch and pick up each others men.
galloway/calderon
green/grant/sheved
carroll/early
anthony/porzingis
ajinca/mcgee
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Post#4804 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:12 am

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KnicksGod wrote:LMA in LA would make Randle a backup PF it would seem.

Maybe Dray Green has everybody drunk to go small but not sure LMA would want that.


Randle's being dangled as a trade chip for Boogie. Allegedly.


Isn't that DOA?



Maybe. I haven't been keeping on top of that one.
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Post#4805 » by Nyk4lyfe » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:24 am

PG: Galloway
SG: ???
SF: Melo
PF: Porzingis (I know none of you have him starting but I think we might need to based off his training camp and preseason)
C: ???

PG: Calderon
SG: Grant
SF: Early
PF: ??? (3 mil MLE?)
C: ??? (i'm hoping we can keep a cap hold on Cole Aldrich and then resign him for cheap after we are done with main signings)

Priorities this summer:

1) Starting defensive big (Gasol, DeAndre, Lopez, Hibbert, Asik,West, Koufos)
2) Starting 3&D guard (Green, Matthews, Carrol, Middleton, Afflalo)
3) Cheap backup bigs (Brandon Bass, Biyombo, Aldrich, Okafor, McGee, Ajinca etc)
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Post#4806 » by kej718 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:48 am

Crunky wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we signed ajinca to be our center 7ft2 can shoot a little, underrated post game and can block shots won't break the bank. Then sign Danny green for 10mil or 12mil and demare Carroll for the same deal. Then if you can afford javale McGee to be a backup pick him up. We need to build a complete team I'm not completely sold on signing Monroe it will leave us with too many holes. Well have a balance team with 2 way players with size and length shot blockers. Melo will create match up problems for the league forcing them to matchup small.
Mix of playmakers and shooters and versatile defenders that can switch and pick up each others men.
galloway/calderon
green/grant/sheved
carroll/early
anthony/porzingis
ajinca/mcgee

:o :nod:
We should just save the rest of that cap for next season. How much do you think Ajinca will be asking for?
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Post#4807 » by Turisas » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:17 am

Can't believe some people are still suggesting Rondo, the guy is a cancer.
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Post#4808 » by malik959 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:55 am

I'm really not convinced on Monroe like a lot of people are and here's why. Fro every lineup people come up with they have to find someone else to balance out his defensive flaws. He literally gets killed on pick and roll, has no lateral movement what so ever, and he's always late on help defense. Personally if I were an owner I'd put it on a two way player - Aldridge, Milsap, Harris with Harris being the cheapest of the three.

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Orlando Pick and Roll Ball Handler Efficiency PnR Chart
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Orlando's defense on DPA
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On the DPA, opponents shot 38% against Tobias. That number is respectable. For comparison, Oladipo and Payton both allowed opponents to shoot 44%. When we factor in the low rate at which Tobias allows shots, we see his overall defensive performance is quite impressive. Tobias allowed 2.51 FGM per 48 minutes played. Harris played 34.8 minutes per game. So, he allowed 1.82 FGM on DPA per game. Even if Harris had held opponents to a ridiculously low 28% shooting on DPA, it would have only reduced is FGA against by .5 FGM per game (or 1 FG every 2 games).


http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/

Now I don't feel that Harris is a max player for 15+, but at 9-12 I believe he would be perfect. People always say why do we need a player like Melo that isn't as good as Melo? Well why did Jordan need Pipen? Melo needs someone to help handle the load and with teams going for smaller, faster players Harris can help when going small:

Lopez/Smith
Melo/Prozing
Harris/Early
Green/Shved
Grant/Galo

Harris 11m, Green 10m, Lopez 7m
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Post#4809 » by stuporman » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:59 am

Most of the players I see that people want in FA makes me cringe....
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Post#4810 » by malik959 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:22 am

Here's a comparison for T. Harris and A. Iguodala and you'll see that their numbers are very, very similar and Andre made MVP in the playoffs:
Rk,Player,From,To,G,GS,MP,FG,FGA,FG%,3P,3PA,3P%,2P,2PA,2P%,FT,FTA,FT%,ORB,DRB,TRB,AST,STL,BLK,TOV,PF,PTS,,ORtg,DRtg
1,Tobias Harris,2012,2015,226,142,5997,9.3,20.1,.463,1.4,4.2,.321,7.9,15.8,.501,4.6,5.8,.790,2.3,8.4,10.6,2.5,1.3,0.9,2.5,3.8,24.5,,107,107
2,Andre Iguodala,2005,2015,835,758,30104,7.1,15.5,.461,1.4,4.1,.333,5.8,11.4,.507,4.4,6.2,.717,1.4,6.4,7.9,6.7,2.4,0.7,3.2,2.8,20.1,,110,105


Biggest difference was of-course FT and also assist.
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Post#4811 » by FemaleDogPlease » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:56 am

I just don't get ESPN constantly linking Aldridge to Dallas, San Antonio, and LA. Dallas has nothing but old Dirk and he plays PF. San Antonio doesn't have the cap space to sign Aldridge. LA has a broken down Kobe Bryant.

Then you have NY which has Carmelo, a max slot, endorsement opportunities, and is in the Eastern Conference. It's a no brainer.

ESPN seems to only have rumors about players going to NY when NY doesn't have cap space.
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Post#4812 » by melomax » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:19 am

WHy are people giving up on LMA/Gasol??

If we want them here, it's simple.

year 1 16.6 max
year 2 16.6 + 5% PLAYER OPTION MAX
year 3 (16.6 +5%) + 5% PLAYER OPTION MAX


that gets it done.
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Post#4813 » by FemaleDogPlease » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:31 am

melomax wrote:WHy are people giving up on LMA/Gasol??

If we want them here, it's simple.

year 1 16.6 max
year 2 16.6 + 5% PLAYER OPTION MAX
year 3 (16.6 +5%) + 5% PLAYER OPTION MAX


that gets it done.


Aldridge max will be close to 20 million.

Let's say hypothetically Knicks get Gasol to commit to come to NY. Knicks would only have roughly 7M in cap space. Now they go to Aldridge with the idea of forming a big 3 in NY. I doubt Portland turns down an offer of Calderon and KP for Aldridge. Knicks would be pretty thin outside of min salary players. However, that front line would be killer.

It doesn't have to be Gasol either. Could be Middleton, Butler, or whoever.
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Post#4814 » by machu46 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:52 am

Regarding a couple theories:

Spurs don't have max some right now, but if they dump Splitter on someone, they could theoretically clear enough space for Aldridge.

And the Bucks drafting a project at SG doesn't impact Middleton. The Bucks biggest priority is adding shooting, and Middleton is one of the best in the league. Vaughn's best case scenario is basically projecting him to be present day OJ Mayo (who is on an expiring deal). In all likelihood, he is the one that will go. The reports out of Milwaukee are that they likely already have a deal in place with Middleton, and once they sign a big man with all their cap space (latest rumor is Tyson Chandler), they'll lock Middleton up.


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Post#4815 » by IAmTheBest » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:14 pm

Okafor dropped his sixers jersey to the floor. Don't know what it means but it could mean that he's unhappy. He also said embiid "jinxed" him and he ended up on the sixers. If he's unhappy , how about making these offers for him:

Gerian Grant, Thanasis/Early, 2018 unprotected, maybe a second round pick thrown in there too; for Okafor

OR, if they must have porzingis:

Porzingis, Calderon for Okafor

This is our chance to right the ship
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Post#4816 » by Concrete Jungle » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:18 pm

I'd do Porzingis for Okafor straight up, I'm adding nothing else at all. Dont help them right their wrong.
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Post#4817 » by IAmTheBest » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:23 pm

Concrete Jungle wrote:I'd do Porzingis for Okafor straight up, I'm adding nothing else at all. Dont help them right their wrong.


getting rid of calderon is a plus for us.

the other trade w/o porzingis that i listed was because ainge is getting desperate and he's going to offer the farm to them. we must be at least a little competitive in that respect. Have to add gerian to play with his brother, and an unprotected pick which will mean jack **** for us anyway if we have Okafor-Porzingis frontcourt to build around.

I don't care what anyone says, Okafor has the potential to be a straight up beast. On top of his absurd post scoring, he is a passer on the tier of Marc Gasol

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He has a 7'5" wingspan. The length of Porzingis + Okafor front court would be godly. The combination of post scoring from Okafor and Porzingis' ability to operate from out far would be godly. Whoever we could land in 2018 wouldnt be nearly as good as Okafor.
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Post#4818 » by Concrete Jungle » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:26 pm

IAmTheBest wrote:
Concrete Jungle wrote:I'd do Porzingis for Okafor straight up, I'm adding nothing else at all. Dont help them right their wrong.


getting rid of calderon is a plus for us.

the other trade w/o porzingis that i listed was because ainge is getting desperate and he's going to throw the farm at them. we must be at least a little competitive in that respect. Have to add gerian to play with his brother, and an unprotected pick which will mean jack **** for us anyway if we have Okafor-Porzingis frontcourt to build around.

I don't care what anyone says, Okafor has the potential to be a straight up beast. On top of his absurd post scoring, he is a passer on the tier of Marc Gasol

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He has a 7'5" wingspan. The length of Porzingis + Okafor front court would be godly. The combination of post scoring from Okafor and Porzingis' ability to operate from out far would be godly. Whoever we could land in 2018 wouldnt be nearly as good as Okafor.


I doubt they'd take Calderon honestly and probably have no interest in our other assets at this point so they'd likely want our 2018 1st. Truth be told Philly never should have taken Okafor but LA called Hinkie's bluff, his "process" is becoming a downright joke at this point as he seems to have no direction he's going other than acquiring assets and that will not sit well with players. He should start building a team that will fit together and compete.
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Post#4819 » by 92Knicksfan93 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:27 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:LMA in LA would make Randle a backup PF it would seem.

Maybe Dray Green has everybody drunk to go small but not sure LMA would want that.


Randle's being dangled as a trade chip for Boogie. Allegedly.


The Lakers are/were refusing to include Randle in the Cousins trade talks.
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Post#4820 » by IAmTheBest » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:28 pm

Concrete Jungle wrote:
IAmTheBest wrote:
Concrete Jungle wrote:I'd do Porzingis for Okafor straight up, I'm adding nothing else at all. Dont help them right their wrong.


getting rid of calderon is a plus for us.

the other trade w/o porzingis that i listed was because ainge is getting desperate and he's going to throw the farm at them. we must be at least a little competitive in that respect. Have to add gerian to play with his brother, and an unprotected pick which will mean jack **** for us anyway if we have Okafor-Porzingis frontcourt to build around.

I don't care what anyone says, Okafor has the potential to be a straight up beast. On top of his absurd post scoring, he is a passer on the tier of Marc Gasol

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He has a 7'5" wingspan. The length of Porzingis + Okafor front court would be godly. The combination of post scoring from Okafor and Porzingis' ability to operate from out far would be godly. Whoever we could land in 2018 wouldnt be nearly as good as Okafor.


I doubt they'd take Calderon honestly and probably have no interest in our other assets at this point so they'd likely want our 2018 1st. Truth be told Philly never should have taken Okafor but LA called Hinkie's bluff, his "process" is becoming a downright joke at this point as he seems to have no direction he's going other than acquiring assets and that will not sit well with players. He should start building a team that will fit together and compete.


Agreed.

Except I'm wiling to do Porzingis+2018 for Okafor too, but that's as far as I'm going

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