Rank these young cores Minni Lakers Magic & 76ers

[Mirjalovic]

the Wolves easily.

their tank effortless and don't really trade their stars, yet they have so many exciting assets.

[Golabki]

1. Minnesota - This is the clear-cut choice. Wiggins and Towns are in all likelihood the two best building blocks of all the players mentioned.
2. Lakers - I had a difficult time choosing between the home team and Orlando. I went with the Lakers because I think Russell is the best prospect between the two teams.
3. Orlando - Taking Oladipo into account, Orlando has so much exciting young talent. While I lean towards the Lakers because of Russell, Orlando definitely has the deeper core. I wouldn't be surprised if we switched places on this list by the end of next season.
4. Philadelphia - The confluence of Embiid's ongoing concerns and missing out on Russell, who would have been both best player available and a perfect fit, hurts. I voted the Sixers for the best core in the last poll, but I can't give that to them this time around. I do think Noel is one of the few great compliments for Okafor, though.

Any chance we can include the Bucks in this discussion at some point?

Give me the bucks players to add. I agree with most of your post bro but I'm not sure about Wiggins being a better building block than Russell. Only thing hurting Philly is a good PG.

I'd take Russell over Wiggens... but Towns is number 1, so Minny easily wins this.

[dham1974]

Give me the bucks players to add. I agree with most of your post bro but I'm not sure about Wiggins being a better building block than Russell. Only thing hurting Philly is a good PG.

I'd take Russell over Wiggens... but Towns is number 1, so Minny easily wins this.

Minni most def wins this.

[HeartBreakKid]

Oladipo is the best prospect in Orlando and is currently the best player out of the entire group (maybe Rubio), he should be in the poll.

Minny is the best here. The best prospects here are Towns, Wiggins, Hezonja, Russell and Okafor - and Minny has two of them. Rubio is good but he's very injury prone, so he raises their stock up but not by a ton. I like Shabazz, and I think a lot of people are selling the stock of Dieng and Payne too quickly, they seem like they could be good back up bigs still.

Second is Orlando. I like Hezonja about the same as Russell, I go back and forth between who I think will be better. I would comfortably take Oladipo over Randle, though they are about the same tier as prospects. After Payton's rookie season, I'd bump him up to Randle's tier as well. So I think Orlando has 3 potential stars while LA has two (Randle/Russell). Vucevic can become an impact player despite his horrible defense, he seems like a starting caliber center still. No one else on either team is worth talking about, I'm not confident they'll be anything to tip the scales.

Okafor/Noel vs Russell/Randle is interesting. I'm 100% with Russell over Okafor, but they're close prospects. Randle vs Noel is hard to answer, we haven't seen Randle play, but I'm not sure about him defensively and were questions about his offensive game being too one dimension. Noel on the other hand can't score for jack ****, but the guy looks like he can be a Ben Wallace caliber defender. I think I'd take Noel over Randle at this point, but they're close to a wash also. LA has better "others", Philly has some guys we won't see like Hernagomez, Saric and Embiid - but ultimately Sixers have higher upside.

So

T-Wolves
Magic
Sixers
Lakers

[Killboard]

1. Minnesota: Wiggins and Towns look like franchise players. You don't need 5 stars in the nba, you need 2 great players and some good role players.
2 (tied). Milwaukee: I put them below Minnesota because Giannis and Jabari have more question marks than Wiggins and Towns. Giannis has huge potential, but has to devop it, while Parker had a bad injury. I fear the trade for MCW was a mistake, but Knight isn't worth the money he wanted, so maybe they will be good anyway.
2 (tied). Utah: Gobert/Favors is a terrific frontcourt and I like Hayward a lot. They need a better backcourt, but I still have hopes for Dante Exum to become a good player. If it happens they will be great.
4. Orlando: I love Payton and Hezonja/Oladipo/Vucevic/Gordon is nice young core. Even if one of Gordon and Hezonja busts they still have a good chance to build a good team. I rate them a little lower than Utah and Milwaukee because of the losing culture and the lack of a true star. One of Hezonja, Oladipo and Payton could become a superstar, but at this point it looks unlikely. Not impossible though.
5. Philadelphia: Noel is very good, Okafor will be good next to him. They need shooters on the wings so they don't have a real core. I won't consider Embiid until I see him on the court and you can't play with Okafor and Embiid at the same time anyway.
6. Lakers: I like D'Angelo, but Randle is a big question mark. I didn't like him coming into the draft (his physical game could be a lot less effective in the NBA), so I woun't consider him until I see him on the court. Clarkson will be a good backup, but you can't consider him a key piece when he won't even be a starter (unless Russell busts, and this would put the Lakers in a worse situation). On the other hand they are a big landing spot for FAs so they still have better chance to win a ring in the next 5 years than any of the other teams listed here, but not because of the young core.

Totally agree.
Wolves still needing a better basketball mind IMO.
Flips has doing some great roster decisions, even is trying hard to develop guys which is the perfect thing to do while collect the pieces. But when is about coaching for win, I would be more confident on Rubio taking decisions than Flip.

[DowNY]

Langston Galloway
Jerian Grant
Cleanthony Early
Kristapas Porzingis

[MrTwister]

Langston Galloway
Jerian Grant
Cleanthony Early
Kristapas Porzingis

What about Shvedsanity? Planning to bring him back and make unstoppable duo with him and Kristaps

[sogood]

1. Minny

2. LA/ORL- Too close to call

3.Sixers

[AQuintus]

I don't understand why people keep on spelling LaVine's name as "Levine".

[Zombiesonics]

utah has an awesome young core. gobert, exum, favors, hayward...lyles +burks

[HotelVitale]

Derrick Favors has been in the league longer than any of these guys and he's pretty much on the bust side of things.

Wow. I'm not a Jazz fan and I hate to be rude, but it's hard not to call you on this. Favors is 23 and he's really good at basketball. That's common knowledge, there's no possible measure that would call Favors' 2014-15 season a 'bust.'

[dham1974]

Derrick Favors has been in the league longer than any of these guys and he's pretty much on the bust side of things.

Wow. I'm not a Jazz fan and I hate to be rude, but it's hard not to call you on this. Favors is 23 and he's really good at basketball. That's common knowledge, there's no possible measure that would call Favors' 2014-15 season a 'bust.'

It took dude 5 years to avg double digits. He's a decent big but nothing more. I know he's still young but this is probably his ceiling. Al Jefferson was putting up better stats in his 3rd year than Favors in his 6th season and he was drafted much lower than Favors

[GANGSTERDOG]

Derrick Favors has been in the league longer than any of these guys and he's pretty much on the bust side of things.

Wow. I'm not a Jazz fan and I hate to be rude, but it's hard not to call you on this. Favors is 23 and he's really good at basketball. That's common knowledge, there's no possible measure that would call Favors' 2014-15 season a 'bust.'

As a Magic fan I would of easily traded Our 5th pick and more for Favors

[Crazy-Canuck]

Derrick Favors has been in the league longer than any of these guys and he's pretty much on the bust side of things.

Wow. I'm not a Jazz fan and I hate to be rude, but it's hard not to call you on this. Favors is 23 and he's really good at basketball. That's common knowledge, there's no possible measure that would call Favors' 2014-15 season a 'bust.'

It took dude 5 years to avg double digits. He's a decent big but nothing more. I know he's still young but this is probably his ceiling. Al Jefferson was putting up better stats in his 3rd year than Favors in his 6th season and he was drafted much lower than Favors

There is this thing called defense.

[dham1974]

Wow. I'm not a Jazz fan and I hate to be rude, but it's hard not to call you on this. Favors is 23 and he's really good at basketball. That's common knowledge, there's no possible measure that would call Favors' 2014-15 season a 'bust.'

It took dude 5 years to avg double digits. He's a decent big but nothing more. I know he's still young but this is probably his ceiling. Al Jefferson was putting up better stats in his 3rd year than Favors in his 6th season and he was drafted much lower than Favors

There is this thing called defense.

There's this thing called offense as well. You know those digital numbers on the score board comes from that.

[HotelVitale]

It took dude 5 years to avg double digits. He's a decent big but nothing more. I know he's still young but this is probably his ceiling. Al Jefferson was putting up better stats in his 3rd year than Favors in his 6th season and he was drafted much lower than Favors

There is this thing called defense.

There's this thing called offense as well. You know those digital numbers on the score board comes from that.

Hmm. You clearly know nothing about this player. He didn't average double digits for a few years because he only played like 20 minutes a game. Split time with your boy Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. He's a little limited offensively but he's been a huge plus on that end. He averaged 19/10 per 36 last year, with a PER of 22, ortg of 113, good efficiency, good oreb rate. Not sure what more proof you need that he's not worthless on offense.

Even if he's at his peak--a dumb assumption given his progression and his age--then he's already clearly, without any doubt better than 'a decent big and nothing more.' Really not a defensible point.

[Barnsey]

I voted for Orlando while pretending that you included Oladipo.

Also, not sure why Anthony Brown is included on the Lakers list.

[dham1974]

There is this thing called defense.

There's this thing called offense as well. You know those digital numbers on the score board comes from that.

Hmm. You clearly know nothing about this player. He didn't average double digits for a few years because he only played like 20 minutes a game. Split time with your boy Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. He's a little limited offensively but he's been a huge plus on that end. He averaged 19/10 per 36 last year, with a PER of 22, ortg of 113, good efficiency, good oreb rate. Not sure what more proof you need that he's not worthless on offense.

Even if he's at his peak--a dumb assumption given his progression and his age--then he's already clearly, without any doubt better than 'a decent big and nothing more.' Really not a defensible point.

If he's behind those two players who was drafted lower than him what does that say about him? Favors had hype surrounding him when he came out and imo he hasn't lived up to it. It shouldn't take a 3 pick 5 years. He wasn't getting the mins because he didn't deserve them.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

[dham1974]

I voted for Orlando while pretending that you included Oladipo.

Also, not sure why Anthony Brown is included on the Lakers list.

Regardless of what lineup Orlando has I don't think they're better than Minni just my opinion


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

[kdot99]

There's this thing called offense as well. You know those digital numbers on the score board comes from that.

Hmm. You clearly know nothing about this player. He didn't average double digits for a few years because he only played like 20 minutes a game. Split time with your boy Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. He's a little limited offensively but he's been a huge plus on that end. He averaged 19/10 per 36 last year, with a PER of 22, ortg of 113, good efficiency, good oreb rate. Not sure what more proof you need that he's not worthless on offense.

Even if he's at his peak--a dumb assumption given his progression and his age--then he's already clearly, without any doubt better than 'a decent big and nothing more.' Really not a defensible point.

If he's behind those two players who was drafted lower than him what does that say about him? Favors had hype surrounding him when he came out and imo he hasn't lived up to it. It shouldn't take a 3 pick 5 years. He wasn't getting the mins because he didn't deserve them.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

That was then...this is now.
He's 23 going on 24 coming off a 16 & 8 year at 52% and 1.7BPG with plus defense in 30 MPG. His Offensive Win Shares was 5.0
You want to talk about offensive numbers? How can you diss his offensive game when the numbers show that he's much better than decent. With a legit Center next to him now, his numbers and overall game should only improve.

We'll revisit this thread in a few months.