FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[Meat]

Also, giving Danny Green, DeMarre Carroll, or Wes Matthews something like $10+ million per year would be a big mistake. If you're going to spend that money on a shooting guard or small forward tier 2 free agent, spend it on Ellis or Wade, legit #2 options.

you think either or anyone... is going to come to a team like ny without overpaying? wade's going to tarnish his legacy for less money? and a **** franchise?

come on son

[ispitmoney]

Also, giving Danny Green, DeMarre Carroll, or Wes Matthews something like $10+ million per year would be a big mistake. If you're going to spend that money on a shooting guard or small forward tier 2 free agent, spend it on Ellis or Wade, legit #2 options.

you think either or anyone... is going to come to a team like ny without overpaying? wade's going to tarnish his legacy for less money? and a **** franchise?

come on son

Maybe not Wade; but definitely Ellis. I can see Ellis signing a 4 year deal for $44 million; roughly the same as a Danny Green...great value for a reliable secondary scorer.

[Concrete Jungle]

Also, giving Danny Green, DeMarre Carroll, or Wes Matthews something like $10+ million per year would be a big mistake. If you're going to spend that money on a shooting guard or small forward tier 2 free agent, spend it on Ellis or Wade, legit #2 options.

you think either or anyone... is going to come to a team like ny without overpaying? wade's going to tarnish his legacy for less money? and a **** franchise?

come on son

Maybe not Wade; but definitely Ellis. I can see Ellis signing a 4 year deal for $44 million; roughly the same as a Danny Green...great value for a reliable secondary scorer.

Danny Green is a better shooter and defender, more consistent within his role as well. He fits what Phil wants to do. Ask Pop if he would trade Danny Green for Monta Ellis.

[ispitmoney]

you think either or anyone... is going to come to a team like ny without overpaying? wade's going to tarnish his legacy for less money? and a **** franchise?

come on son

Maybe not Wade; but definitely Ellis. I can see Ellis signing a 4 year deal for $44 million; roughly the same as a Danny Green...great value for a reliable secondary scorer.

Danny Green is a better shooter and defender, more consistent within his role as well. He fits what Phil wants to do. Ask Pop if he would trade Danny Green for Monta Ellis.

For the Spurs I would agree Green is a better fit. They have multiple scorers and creators; Duncan, Parker, Leonard, and too an extent still although he has aged; GInobili. Green fits his role as a '3-D' and fits it well.

The only player we have on our roster than can create is Melo currently. I won't count Porzingis as he is a rookie and has to grow into his role. We need a secondary scorer who can create. We have shooters in Porzingis and Calderon.

Now, I do think Green is a good player. I would sign Danny Green for $9 million tops. Anything more is an overpay for essentially a role player. If I have to pay him $12 million or Carroll $10 million; I would give that money to Monta Ellis.

[AlphakirA]

you think either or anyone... is going to come to a team like ny without overpaying? wade's going to tarnish his legacy for less money? and a **** franchise?

come on son

Maybe not Wade; but definitely Ellis. I can see Ellis signing a 4 year deal for $44 million; roughly the same as a Danny Green...great value for a reliable secondary scorer.

Danny Green is a better shooter and defender, more consistent within his role as well. He fits what Phil wants to do. Ask Pop if he would trade Danny Green for Monta Ellis.

Please don't use Green and consistent in the same sentence ever again. He's by far the least consistent player I've come across outside of J.R. - but at least J.R. can get you those insane 30 point games. In April this is how many points he had per game: 3, 21, 18, 8, 10, 0, 12, 0. He shot 74% over the course of 3 games, then shot 25% over the next 4 while going 0/1/2 assists and taking no shots or FTs in 18 minutes in another. He might be the guy Pop has gotten pissed at the most over the last few years. There's a reason he'll go in spurts of not getting more than 15-20 minutes a game sometimes. Ellis isn't elite, but he's worlds better than Green, especially if they're similar in cost.

[Concrete Jungle]

Maybe not Wade; but definitely Ellis. I can see Ellis signing a 4 year deal for $44 million; roughly the same as a Danny Green...great value for a reliable secondary scorer.

Danny Green is a better shooter and defender, more consistent within his role as well. He fits what Phil wants to do. Ask Pop if he would trade Danny Green for Monta Ellis.

For the Spurs I would agree Green is a better fit. They have multiple scorers and creators; Duncan, Parker, Leonard, and too an extent still although he has aged; GInobili. Green fits his role as a '3-D' and fits it well.

The only player we have on our roster than can create is Melo currently. I won't count Porzingis as he is a rookie and has to grow into his role. We need a secondary scorer who can create. We have shooters in Porzingis and Calderon.

Now, I do think Green is a good player. I would sign Danny Green for $9 million tops. Anything more is an overpay for essentially a role player. If I am paying him $12 million or Carroll $10 million; I would give that money go to Ellis.

I just dont see it with Ellis in this system, maybe with Woody but not with Phil. Ellis is also undersized. I think we can get more bang for our buck getting someone who can fit in. The offense will facilitate where the ball goes(rather the defense) and we're adding high IQ players who can make it work better than what we had last year.

[ispitmoney]

Maybe not Wade; but definitely Ellis. I can see Ellis signing a 4 year deal for $44 million; roughly the same as a Danny Green...great value for a reliable secondary scorer.

Danny Green is a better shooter and defender, more consistent within his role as well. He fits what Phil wants to do. Ask Pop if he would trade Danny Green for Monta Ellis.

Please don't use Green and consistent in the same sentence ever again. He's by far the least consistent player I've come across outside of J.R. - but at least J.R. can get you those insane 30 point games. In April this is how many points he had per game: 3, 21, 18, 8, 10, 0, 12, 0. He shot 74% over the course of 3 games, then shot 25% over the next 4 while going 0/1/2 assists and taking no shots or FTs in 18 minutes in another. He might be the guy Pop has gotten pissed at the most over the last few years. There's a reason he'll go in spurts of not getting more than 15-20 minutes a game sometimes. Ellis isn't elite, but he's worlds better than Green, especially if they're similar in cost.

This is what scares me about signing him to such a huge contract. When he is cold what will happen to our offense? We can't continue to solely depend on Melo. He need to get him help on offense.

[ispitmoney]

Danny Green is a better shooter and defender, more consistent within his role as well. He fits what Phil wants to do. Ask Pop if he would trade Danny Green for Monta Ellis.

For the Spurs I would agree Green is a better fit. They have multiple scorers and creators; Duncan, Parker, Leonard, and too an extent still although he has aged; GInobili. Green fits his role as a '3-D' and fits it well.

The only player we have on our roster than can create is Melo currently. I won't count Porzingis as he is a rookie and has to grow into his role. We need a secondary scorer who can create. We have shooters in Porzingis and Calderon.

Now, I do think Green is a good player. I would sign Danny Green for $9 million tops. Anything more is an overpay for essentially a role player. If I am paying him $12 million or Carroll $10 million; I would give that money go to Ellis.

I just dont see it with Ellis in this system, maybe with Woody but not with Phil. Ellis is also undersized. I think we can get more bang for our buck getting someone who can fit in. The offense will facilitate where the ball goes(rather the defense) and we're adding high IQ players who can make it work better than what we had last year.

Ellis being undersized works well with our big guards; Calderon and Grant. We can run a 2 guard offense. He will fit well with Calderon, who is a good shooter and doesn't need the ball in his hands. He fit well last year with Jameer Nelson in Dallas who very undersized as a PG.

Is Ellis the perfect fit? No, his attitude is in question. I do feel however he has matured over the years; both basketball wise and character.

I wouldn't say Green is exactly high IQ. He is the type of player who can play a specific role well. If you ask him to do more outside of that; you will be highly disappointed.

The triangle is a system that many have said takes longer than a year to get down. Hence, the high amount of turnovers and stagnant defense at the start of last year. This does open the question as to whether Fisher should be more flexible with ideas for his offense.

[Vincent_Askew]

This is what we need to do:

Go after Gasol, Leonard, Butler. Offer the max to all of them and hope you nab at least one. Now we have a legit #2.

Then, get one sexy high-end 3rd complimentary piece, like Middleton, Green, or Matthews (if our medical staff determines he has recovered and the injury will not affect him moving forward).

Finally you get a stop-gap veteran type who doesn't really move the needle but provides professionalism and respectable productivity while the youngsters develop, like West.

This will create a sexy foundation to entice KD to sign next summer, or Horford.

This means one max guy from the first group I mentioned, one respectable but not overpay type contract for tier two group I mentioned, and a cheap deal for the stop-gap veteran.

Don't sign false prophets because they're known "names" like Ellis and Monroe. Don't waste money just cause you have it and lock yourself into committing to a false prophet for years.

[HarthorneWingo]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62430/knicks-headed-west-in-free-agency

The New York Knicks will meet with free-agent forward David West, ESPN’s Marc Stein reports.

Stein reports that West is a “serious name” on the Knicks’ board of potential free agents.

Sources also tell Stein that the Knicks will target LaMarcus Aldridge, DeMarre Carroll and Greg Monroe in free agency. The Knicks, along with several other teams, will meet with Monroe, league sources confirmed.

West has declined his $12.6 million player option with the Indiana Pacers for 2015-16. It is unclear at this point what kind of salary West will seek in free agency, but the Knicks will have at least $26 million to spend this offseason.

The 11-year veteran averaged 11.7 points and 6.8 rebounds per game for Indiana last season.

West's per-game scoring was its lowest since his second season in the league, but he started all 66 of the games he played in.

If the Knicks inked West and asked him to start at power forward, it could allow 19-year-old rookie Kristaps Porzingis to come off the bench in his first NBA season. That could make for an easier transition into the NBA for Porzingis, whom the Knicks selected with the fourth pick in the NBA draft.

West also is known as a strong presence in the locker room. Team president Phil Jackson has mentioned the need for veteran leadership on the Knicks’ roster. West could presumably fill a void there.

Signing West would also presumably force Carmelo Anthony to play small forward. For what it’s worth, the Knicks have had more success with Anthony at power forward than at small forward in recent seasons.

Last season, New York outscored opponents by 5.7 points per 48 minutes when Anthony played power forward, per 82games.com. Conversely, the Knicks were outscored by 7.2 points per 48 minutes with Anthony at small forward in 2014-15.

On the Monroe front, the specific date of the Knicks’ meeting with the Pistons' big man is unclear at this point. Monroe is believed to be high on the Knicks’ list of free agents they would like to pursue. Pistons president and head coach Stan Van Gundy has said it is unlikely that Monroe returns to Detroit.

The Knicks’ interest in Carroll and Aldridge makes sense, though they will have significant competition from rival teams for both players.

Monroe's meeting with the Knicks was first reported by Bleacher report.

[And100]

This is what we need to do:

Go after Gasol, Leonard, Butler. Offer the max to all of them and hope you nab at least one.

Not allowed pr CBA rules.

KNicks don't have the cap space to offer two first tier RFA deals (Leonard and Butler) much less an offer for Gasol too.

The NBA does not allow you to pursue RFAs willy nilly. Once a player signs an offer sheet, the first year salary counts against your cap, and his team has 3 days to match, holding your cap space hostage.

They can only make a max offer to one of them at a time. And SA or Chicago can keep $15.8m of the KNicks cap room tied up, and still match after the 3 days.

[thebuzzardman]

Although Ellis has a lot of talent, the fact that he's 30 but may be looking for more than 3 years is a no go for me. That and the fact he seems like the up market version of JR. Not the clubbing/drinking but the fact that he winds up dividing a locker room. I don't think that is the right kind of player to get, talent aside and I believe it's certainly the type of player Phil won't want.

[NoLayupRule]

I really hope LMA comes here. That would be perfect. A true 2nd option. Add west and Carroll or green if we can. Then role players

[kej718]

I really hope LMA comes here. That would be perfect. A true 2nd option. Add west and Carroll or green if we can. Then role players

If we sign LMA then I think we would only be able to sign 1 more player (Carroll or Green), but I would still take him in a second.

[ag3]

I really hope LMA comes here. That would be perfect. A true 2nd option. Add west and Carroll or green if we can. Then role players

If we sign LMA then I think we would only be able to sign 1 more player (Carroll or Green), but I would still take him in a second.

Why? The Knicks would still have their full MLE, since they aren't over the tax threshold.
The MLE can land a very good veteran or role player.

[ag3]

I really hope LMA comes here. That would be perfect. A true 2nd option. Add west and Carroll or green if we can. Then role players

If Phil and Melo can land LMA, all the critics would say that LMA plays no defense, doesn't compliment the triangle and also that he and Melo would be in eachothers space.

If LMA signs with any other team in the league, it would be heralded as the best move ever for the new team.

[mpharris36]

I really hope LMA comes here. That would be perfect. A true 2nd option. Add west and Carroll or green if we can. Then role players

If we sign LMA then I think we would only be able to sign 1 more player (Carroll or Green), but I would still take him in a second.

Why? The Knicks would still have their full MLE, since they aren't over the tax threshold.
The MLE can land a very good veteran or role player.

no we wont have the full MLE. The full MLE is for teams under the tax threshold but above the salary cap.

We would have the room exception, which is given to teams who go under the salary cap. Which starts around 3 million.

[ag3]

If we sign LMA then I think we would only be able to sign 1 more player (Carroll or Green), but I would still take him in a second.

Why? The Knicks would still have their full MLE, since they aren't over the tax threshold.
The MLE can land a very good veteran or role player.

no we wont have the full MLE. The full MLE is for teams under the tax threshold but above the salary cap.

We would have the room exception, which is given to teams who go under the salary cap. Which starts around 3 million.

But the Knicks would be above the cap after making their signings.
Then they can use the full MLE, can't they?

[mpharris36]

But the Knicks would be above the cap after making their signings.
Then they can use the full MLE, can't they?

thats not how it works. Once you start FA, you either declare yourself as an under the cap team or over the cap team. Your exceptions are based of that. Not how you spend your $$$

[kej718]

Why? The Knicks would still have their full MLE, since they aren't over the tax threshold.
The MLE can land a very good veteran or role player.

no we wont have the full MLE. The full MLE is for teams under the tax threshold but above the salary cap.

We would have the room exception, which is given to teams who go under the salary cap. Which starts around 3 million.

But the Knicks would be above the cap after making their signings.
Then they can use the full MLE, can't they?

Dude you are probably right I don't even know how any of that stuff works. I thought we only have $27 to sign free agents and $31 if we waive Calderon. Not sure how the MLE works. how much do you think Carroll or Green will go for?